darkjak Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 We've all heard complaints regarding Nintendo's online features, mainly the friend codes. How do you think it SHOULD be? Here's my proposal: 1) Connecting friendcodes to email You can connect your friendcode, or more like, your console to your email. In other words, you can trade emails rather than friend codes, and you can connect all your friend codes to one email, so your friends will automatically see when you have a new game, so you won't have to retrade the codes. Feature only functions on Wiis with parental lock disabled. 2) Mii place channel Kinda works like a cross between facebook and Xbox live. Here your friends can see your achievements, what games you have, and you can communicate via chat, "wall" etc. You'll be able to set up and join tournaments, and if you join a tournament , your Wii will remind you right before the event, and it'll go out of standby if you've turned your console off. You'll be able to check if certain friends have certain games, you'll be to alert them about new trailers, forthcoming releases and tip them about good stuff. And you'll be able to see your friends Miis. The channel will be available without shutting down a game from the home menu. 3) Acheivements transform into Wii points Nintendo earn hard cash for every game bought. Each game will contain a small ammount of Wii points, which you receive by unlocking acheivements. Not much, maybe 50-100 points, so you'll be able to download an N64 game on VC for completely beating 10 retail Wii games. It's a nice reward for loyal fans, and might make people otherwise uninterrested in VC starting to use the feature. Perhaps it'll stimulate people a bit to buy more Wii games.
Fierce_LiNk Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 This is a good thread, dude. 3) Acheivements transform into Wii points Nintendo earn hard cash for every game bought. Each game will contain a small ammount of Wii points, which you receive by unlocking acheivements. Not much, maybe 50-100 points, so you'll be able to download an N64 game on VC for completely beating 10 retail Wii games. It's a nice reward for loyal fans, and might make people otherwise uninterrested in VC starting to use the feature. Perhaps it'll stimulate people a bit to buy more Wii games. I've been thinking about that for a very, very long time now. But yeah, basically getting rewards for completing stuff in games. So, if you managed to collect all the Masks in Majora's Mask, then you should be rewarded outside of the game. Just special content, or access to Wii Points. Just, something. That's my main point. Also, just some sort of hub, consider it like the hub in Mario Galaxy. A place where you can access various things, such as online scoreboards, game chat rooms, favourited websites in between playing the games. So, you can play Mario Kart online, and then exit that game, but then get taken back to the online hub where you talk about what you just did, look at fastest times. I see it as a world in itself, so you'd physically be able to walk around and access these records and objects for yourself. So, kinda like your Mii Place Channel and Playstation HOME.
Emasher Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) I'd like to be able to use a Mii as my Account, and for people to add me, all they have to do is type in my Mii's name and I just need to confirm that I want to be friends with them. I'd also like to see some sort of rivals list for people I wouldn't consider friends, but I might want to play again, they wouldn't need to confirm that they want to be my rival, but you would get a notification. You would also be able to block users. This would keep them from communicating with you, but you would still be able to play in the same match as them People should be able to see what games I own, and what games I've been playing recently and what achievements I've gotten. Certain achievements should give small amounts of Wii Points. You would have a profile that would be similar to the profile page on a forum. There would also be a comment box on your profile page. People you've blocked wouldn't be able to view your profile at all. You would also be able to restrict parts of your profile to friends only if you wanted. You would also have a score type thing for each genre of game that people could use to tell how good you were at different types of games. You would be able to either use a Wii Speak or just any Bluetooth headset. When hosting a game you would be able to choose weather or not to only allow people who were using voice chat. For games like shooters, there would be a lobby system where you could view all games in progress and statistics for each and than choose one to join. You could also create a game. You could easily view what games your friends and rivals were in. For other games, you would get something like Mario Kart. You could view what games your friends were in and join them, or you could be placed in a random game. For 1 on 1 games, you could find a random opponent, or attempt to join a friend or rival. You would be able to download DLC from games for either Wii Points, or for Free. For DD games you would use the shop channel like you do now, only you would be able to use an HDD to store them on. You would still pay in Wii points. Some retail games when you buy them would allow you to download a specific title for free. For instance, if you bought a Zelda game, you would get a free download of the NES original. There would also be a portal of free games that you can browse and download to a cache similar to flash games. There would be an easy to use SDK for developing the games available for OS X, Windows, and Linux for free. You would be able to submit the games to Nintendo for review before they were put on to the service. Edited March 15, 2009 by Emasher
Tellyn Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 WiiConnect24 means always on. No delays in message receiving or DLC delivery (*glares at Animal Crossing*), no pointless waiting times whilst the game connects to Wi-Fi...
Shino Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 I want Steam, on my Wii. Please no gamer score, I can understand achievements as a means to get more out of the game and add SOME rivalry, but gamer score is the absolute decadence of hardcore gaming.
LazyBoy Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 Universal friend codes. I know, I know, said over and over but it is a degrading pain in the ass. DLC - I really just want more levels for Mario Galaxy. Everyone else has pretty much made all the points.
Roklie Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 I'd say being able to play and chat with anyone you like without having to always add friendcodes. It's just troublesome and bad the way it is now, and I can hardly see a "casual family" reading around the Nintendo message boards searching for people to add on their friends lists.. :I
darkjak Posted March 15, 2009 Author Posted March 15, 2009 Most of these ideas would pretty much require a hard drive. Why's that? There's nothing that can't be stored on the flash memory. I hardly think that a few acheivements will take up half a gig.
Cube Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 One friend code per machine, plus the ability to view the list of friends (and what they are doing) from the Home menu, complete with the ability to join/invite them.
Nolan Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 I want nintendo to look at XBL and PSN, and take all the good features that work and implement them copy/paste style. A single online account with which you can play online and add people you like. Voice Chat! Game demos, Hard Drive. Improved netcode, downloading a couple megs should not take long enough to make you think back to the age of 56K.
Helmsly Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 It looked as if Nintendo were going towards a universial friend code system with Mario kart, since if you have someones Wii System Code you can send an invite and they get added to your list of friends on mario kart without having to swap MK Friend codes. Did they have a similar option for Animal crossing Wii?
david.dakota Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 Did they have a similar option for Animal crossing Wii? Hahahahahahahahahaha. No.
Konfucius Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) I want Steam, on my Wii. That was also the first thing that came to my mind. I really like darkjak's idea about the WiiPoints too, however, I think developers would quickly abuse this feature to squeeze lots of playtime out of a game like "Get 10 WiiPoints if you play for 10 hours non-stop without going below 10 HP." Edited March 15, 2009 by Konfucius
Charlie Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 I want nintendo to look at XBL and PSN, and take all the good features that work and implement them copy/paste style. A single online account with which you can play online and add people you like. Voice Chat! Game demos, Hard Drive. Improved netcode, downloading a couple megs should not take long enough to make you think back to the age of 56K. This man speaks the truth! This is what I've been saying for years now. I really don't see why Nintendo aren't seeing this too!
Shino Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 Do we have any hope of them fixing it during the Wii's lifetime? Is it possible to do it with the current hardware?
darkjak Posted March 15, 2009 Author Posted March 15, 2009 Do we have any hope of them fixing it during the Wii's lifetime? Is it possible to do it with the current hardware? It should all be possible. The Wii has USB connectors, so you should be able to connect a harddrive. A headset could be possible to put in between the nunchuck and the mote. The friend codes should be easy. The only thing necessary is Nintendo's will.
Guest Captain Falcon Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 It should all be possible. The Wii has USB connectors, so you should be able to connect a harddrive. A headset could be possible to put in between the nunchuck and the mote. The friend codes should be easy.The only thing necessary is Nintendo's will. So in other words, the answer is no.
Tellyn Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 This man speaks the truth! This is what I've been saying for years now. I really don't see why Nintendo aren't seeing this too! You do realise that without physically changing the hardware, this sort of system is pretty much impossible on the Wii and DS?
david.dakota Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) It should all be possible. The Wii has USB connectors, so you should be able to connect a harddrive. Maybe, but WiiSpeak takes up one connector, that leaves one more for other peripherals. I doubt a HDD is a serious possibility for Nintendo. A headset could be possible to put in between the nunchuck and the mote. What the bloody hell is this blind love of headsets for voicechat. WiiSpeak works brilliantly- and it makes far more sense for sound to come from your TV, since thats where your opponents are seen. Technically, i doubt what your suggesting is possible anyway. The friend codes should be easy. Future games could pull the system number, but existing games will each have their individual friendcodes. As far as we know, there is no way to patch any existing Wii retail games. We will not have a unified code for current gen Wii. The only thing necessary is Nintendo's will. Plenty of obstacles, i'm afraid. Nintendo were short sighted in their design of Wii, far too focussed on its accessibility and cost to think about future updates. Edited March 15, 2009 by david.dakota
Emasher Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 Actually, now that I think about it. Couldn't they just release a channel that when you entered someone's username, just get their friend code through Wii Connect 24, and then automatically put it into your save file that they are friends with you, and then that channel on their console could have a message waiting for them to confirm it, and if they said yes, it could just add your friend code to their save file? Games wouldn't need to be patched at all to do this.
Fierce_LiNk Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 I want nintendo to look at XBL and PSN, and take all the good features that work and implement them copy/paste style. A single online account with which you can play online and add people you like. Voice Chat! Game demos, Hard Drive. Improved netcode, downloading a couple megs should not take long enough to make you think back to the age of 56K. I wouldn't really want them to copy and paste, but rather put their own work into it. But, at the same time, would it be copying if these things are now industry standard? I don't know. One thing though, I'm not really fussed with voice chat, and could safely live without it. I just don't like the sound of my own voice (partly because of my accent, but also because headsets reminds me of my telesales days, or jobs where I needed to use the phone...never again!). One thing though, just some form of hub. I think that's what is missing on the Wii. Everything is done seperately, yet we have these Wii Channels. Why couldn't the hub come from one of these? It seems like a bit of a waste opportunity.
Guest Jordan Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I suppose one of the problems is Nintendo, they're not a networking company... I mean, they use GameSpy for all the online framework for the games. Microsoft and Sony have a tonne of expertise in creating operating systems and frameworks for integrated networks. Also, its likely a large proportion of the Wii Firmware is on ROM, thus not writable unlike the XMB firmware and the XBOX Dashboard. This is something that would need to be developed internally and its probably too late and set in stone this generation. But they're getting there, I mean there are some games that support DLC there are online games too.
Nolan Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I wouldn't really want them to copy and paste, but rather put their own work into it. But, at the same time, would it be copying if these things are now industry standard? I don't know. One thing though, I'm not really fussed with voice chat, and could safely live without it. I just don't like the sound of my own voice (partly because of my accent, but also because headsets reminds me of my telesales days, or jobs where I needed to use the phone...never again!). One thing though, just some form of hub. I think that's what is missing on the Wii. Everything is done seperately, yet we have these Wii Channels. Why couldn't the hub come from one of these? It seems like a bit of a waste opportunity. Well I didn't mean literally copy and paste, so much as take the working idea and implement it. And no, an industry standard being subjected to all platforms isn't copying, ala analog sticks. I'm actually like you in that I don't like the sound of my voice, but even so talking to others online is nice. Getting a group of friends together and chatting wile playing, right now though, to do that would require use of either a wiispeak game (AC is the only one I know of...) or everone using something like Ventrillo or Skype.
Fierce_LiNk Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Well I didn't mean literally copy and paste, so much as take the working idea and implement it. And no, an industry standard being subjected to all platforms isn't copying, ala analog sticks. I'm actually like you in that I don't like the sound of my voice, but even so talking to others online is nice. Getting a group of friends together and chatting wile playing, right now though, to do that would require use of either a wiispeak game (AC is the only one I know of...) or everone using something like Ventrillo or Skype. Yeah, I was reading your post, and I did realise you didn't mean to directly just copy the ideas itself, so I should have just gone back and edited what I said. I know what you mean, though. Just taking the ideas that just click and work, and use those. It'll be really, really interesting to see what Nintendo plan to do with their next home system, and how they organise the online structure with that. Will they stick with friend codes, universal or game-related? Hmm, I wish I had a crystal ball right now. I do expect more games to use WiiSpeak, so it would be there if people wanted to use it. The strange thing is, when people are physically in the room with me, I'll go crazy when I overtake them at Mario Kart, or beat them at something. I'm quite competitive sometimes, haha. It's just, voicechat, it just doesn't seem to be something I feel all that comfortable with. All in good time, heh.
Nolan Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 It's just, voicechat, it just doesn't seem to be something I feel all that comfortable with. All in good time, heh. Well, as soon as puberty hits:wink: I'll say I don't like FCs at all, but I could tolerate them if they were at least unified into one code in a similar way that XBL/Steam/PSN have one profile. They all have codes linked to the profile too, it's just hidden and taken over by the computer rather than user, hell steam even allows you to change your name at a moments notice, in-game mid match even. I've done it. Sadly I think they're here to stay, but I do think they'll be refined in some way.
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