Jonnas Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I disagree. As warandchaos and rokhed00 have previously discussed, peadophilia was once upon a time considered the 'norm', and everyone was 'a pervert then'. Why, you have to ask yourself? Were children invariably more attractive then then they are today? Or was it a medieval trait? No, it was simply because of society's perception of it. Bear in mind, though, that we're talking social marriage, which doesn't necessarily imply love, or sex. And even then, age of marriage started in the beginning of puberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Who's that aimed at? Anyone who still doesn't get it. http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pedophile_nervous_for_first_day_of?utm_source=onion_rss_daily lawl. WTF was that about? On the topic about paedophilic actions, what about watching cartoon porn of children? Should that be considered wrong? It doesn't hurt any children, but it may encourage people to go out and do the real thing. Or it may prevent people from doing exactly that. What about porn in general? Does it prevent or encourage rape? It may or may not encourage molestation. It probably depends on the person. Also, Porn in general isn't about rape, its about sex. People rape people not to fill a desire like with molestation, but rape people to show that they have control over them. Well if I was 14 and it was a hot teacher then I know exactly why its so so right. Lets say you're 7 and the teacher is either ugly or a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navarre Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 Anyone who still doesn't get it. I doubt anyone here thinks the contrary, my friend. We're discussing, however, what makes it wrong, why people do it, and why, for the love of God, it is considering a mental instability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Bear in mind, though, that we're talking social marriage, which doesn't necessarily imply love, or sex.And even then, age of marriage started in the beginning of puberty. Yeah I think we need to define exactly what we're talking about. When I discuss this I'm referring to people being attracted to pre-pubescent children. There's a big distinction between that and being attracted to say a 14 or 15 year-old girl. It's misleading to equate the two really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I doubt anyone here thinks the contrary, my friend. We're discussing, however, what makes it wrong, why people do it, and why, for the love of God, it is considering a mental instability. I was trying to argue about why it was wrong actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navarre Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 I was trying to argue about why it was wrong actually. I know... 10char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadKill Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 It's paedophilia by the way not pea.. Also, sexual abuse cases are usually initiated by a close/trusted member/friend of the family, as opposed to random people on the street. Also, someone who happened to rape a kid isn't necessarily a paedophile, he may just be an oppurtunist rapist, not someone with a primary attraction to pre-pubescents, so he's a sick fuck, but he may not have the same motivations. What country has the lowest consenting age?Let all the people who like em young go there. I can't remember the country but it's 9 or something There's a big distinction between that and being attracted to say a 14 or 15 year-old girl. It's misleading to equate the two really. That's ephebophilia but since nobody remembers/cares about that word everyone just splashes the blanket paedophilia term over everything for ease of use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 International ages of consent: http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm Lowest is 12 in the Philippines. A few other countries say 12 but this is only if the other person is close to the same age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamba Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Anyone who still doesn't get it. That's kind of why I mentioned it. It sounded like you were reacting to something that someone had said and if that was the case, you had likely misunderstood a comment as nobody seemed to be debating whether the act was bad at the time. I guess to simplify the entire arguement though and hopefully hit the nail on the head I should put this question to the floor: Is it fair to condemn or demonise someone solely for the fact that they are attracted to children, even if they have not acted upon it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadKill Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Is it fair to condemn or demonise someone solely for the fact that they are attracted to children, even if they have not acted upon it? That's the view in the eye of society, welcome to the world that promotes tolerance and understanding yet only has concessions to treat certain mental conditions because of the strong emotions surrounding the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Is it fair to condemn or demonise someone solely for the fact that they are attracted to children, even if they have not acted upon it? well, if they didnt act on it, how would any one know? if you download kiddy porn your encouraging its production. if you simply feel the urges then chemical castration, a blocking of the sex drive is possible. with this done and no crimes commited i see no problem with any individual who may have had said urges. just think how many times youve had the urge to kill some one but didnt act on it, should you be judged on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadKill Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 International ages of consent: http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm Lowest is 12 in the Philippines. A few other countries say 12 but this is only if the other person is close to the same age. Younger is not uncommon:- "June 23 2002 at 03:15PM Tehran - Iranian authorities have approved a law to raise the age at which girls can get married without their parents' consent to 13 from nine and for boys to 15 from 14, newspapers said on Sunday." "SANA’A, April 9 - An eight-year-old girl decided last week to go the Sana’a West Court to prosecute her father, who forced her to marry a 30-year-old man." If we go back further, Muslims clearly think younger still is fine:- "From the 20th century a common point of criticim of Muhammad has been his marriage to Aisha, who was six or seven at the time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Younger is not uncommon:- "June 23 2002 at 03:15PM Tehran - Iranian authorities have approved a law to raise the age at which girls can get married without their parents' consent to 13 from nine and for boys to 15 from 14, newspapers said on Sunday." "SANA’A, April 9 - An eight-year-old girl decided last week to go the Sana’a West Court to prosecute her father, who forced her to marry a 30-year-old man." If we go back further, Muslims clearly think younger still is fine:- "From the 20th century a common point of criticim of Muhammad has been his marriage to Aisha, who was six or seven at the time." Like we need another reason to hate muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Paedophiles are fine as long as they keep their attractions to themselves. Its illegal to...look at kiddy porn on the net? And also to engage in sexual activity with children. As long as they don't do anything illegal then its all gravy. They cannot help it. Now fuck the serious shit, whos up for touching up some minors with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Rather touch up some miners myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jordan Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Like we need another reason to hate muslims. Racism anyone? You might be surprised to know, that not every Muslim in the world is a Western hating terrorist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Like we need another reason to hate muslims. There was a Canadian sit com that started a few years ago about a group of muslims living in a small town. It wasn't racist, it was the opposite, it was trying to get people to understand muslims better. It was very successful and was exported to many different countries. Its called "Little Mosque on the Prairie", I'm not sure if it got to the UK (though I think it did), but if you ever get a chance to see it, perhaps it would help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Calm down, its a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Calm down, its a joke. Some people just can't see the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairdriver Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 What happens if the relationship between the adult and the child is genuinely one of love? What happens if it's a Romeo and Juliet type situation? When does a child stop being a child? Some people don't go through puberty until 17/18, some boys have beards at 12 years old. At the end of the day, I think it's wrong to paint all aspects paedophilia with the same brush. Every situation should be investigated on its own terms. But yeah, rape is unacceptable. Love-fueled sex is more acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Calm down, its a joke. Some people just can't see the obvious. TBH, not everything everyone says is obvious to everyone. Perhaps put a smily so people know you're joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamba Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 well, if they didnt act on it, how would any one know? if you download kiddy porn your encouraging its production. if you simply feel the urges then chemical castration, a blocking of the sex drive is possible. with this done and no crimes commited i see no problem with any individual who may have had said urges. just think how many times youve had the urge to kill some one but didnt act on it, should you be judged on that? Wow, onto chemical castration straight away? Surely getting some help to help mute the urges would be the first step? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkatronics Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Wow, onto chemical castration straight away? Surely getting some help to help mute the urges would be the first step? Castration takes that away :p On the other hand i think ts barbaric to force that on to someone, even if people do think they deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamba Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Castration takes that away :pOn the other hand i think ts barbaric to force that on to someone, even if people do think they deserve it. That's exactly how I see it. It's barbaric expecially when they haven't actualy DONE anything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkatronics Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 That's exactly how I see it. It's barbaric expecially when they haven't actualy DONE anything yet. Thats true, there shouldnt be a punishment if they dont act. Its like arresting someone because they thought about stealing something. BTW get a sig :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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