david.dakota Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Every FPS needs a good solid standard rifle. Hmm. Rifle or particle accelerator? Let me think about that for a minute.
Emasher Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 So, After the full reveal, My opinions: The Wii Speak thing I think makes sense. Its not like you're using a headset, its more like you're just yelling out to your teammates, and likewise, the closest people to you either team or enemy would hear you. 12 people should be enough since the stages are most likely optimized for this. 7 Stages is about right I think, The thing at the bottom doesn't like a tab though, it looks like it shows the optimal players for the stage you're hovering over. In most FPS I usually just find one stage I like anyway. In regards to the modes, this is way more than most FPS games have, and some of them sound quite fun. Just hope you can use Wii Speak with Non friends, and add anyone during public matches like you can in private matches.
dwarf Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Hmm. Rifle or particle accelerator? Let me think about that for a minute. Doesn't really make the multiplayer that fun or balanced if you have something like that though
david.dakota Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Doesn't really make the multiplayer that fun or balanced if you have something like that though Yes, yes. I'm sure they'd not forget a genre staple. Have we seen all the weapons yet?
Retro_Link Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 How many multiplayer levels did Goldeneye have?
Zechs Merquise Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Where has this whole '7 levels' thing come from? Just because you can only see 7 on that selection screen which says 'Medium' doesn't mean there won't be any more. Some could be unlockable the more you play the game.
Noku Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 How many multiplayer levels did Goldeneye have? How many of them were online? How many players did GoldenEye have max? I get the whole "but GoldenEye was like in the nineties man! get with the time dude!"-thing, but come on. Be happy with what you get if you want more (ie, sequels). Doesn't really make the multiplayer that fun or balanced if you have something like that though Yes, like the Golden Gun made you invincible in GodenEye and PD : I think what the single player will suffer from is the repetition of the same enemies that just run towards you. The couple of variations aren't really enough. Have you played it? And if you're appalled by repetitiveness, you should look towards other genres. And whoevers idea to make black holes you have to destroy to stop enemies spawning from them needs to be shot themselves. I certainly prefer that to endless out-of-nowhere-spawning. A point where I think that the game is original (as far as I know), hence my being baffled that even this aspect can be prone to criticism.
Retro_Link Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 No I was just saying how many did Goldeneye have as that was a nice amount/enough variety; wasn't more than 10 was it? And The Conduit will have a few unlockables.
DuD Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) It had facility and temple. nuff said. :EDIT: and the caves and the grey one a can't remember the name of. I'm finding it pretty hard to think of any others to be fair, but back to my original statement. Edited April 15, 2009 by DuD
Noku Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 No I was just saying how many did Goldeneye have as that was a nice amount/enough variety; wasn't more than 10 was it?And The Conduit will have a few unlockables. Oh. My bad. This says it had eleven, think that's about right. Then again, 7 medium maps should mean several more, so I'm happy.
Emasher Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Ok, for those that are saying only the medium stages are listed there, thats wrong. Watch the video again, when the cursor hovers over the "Pentagon" stage, its says "Large, 10-12 Players". Then when they hover over "Complex" the text changes to "Medium 6-10". But really 7 is enough. I also don't see how you would unlock stages, would you only be able to vote for stages all players have unlocked?
lostmario Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 According to the official website, we get this on the 26th June. Gives me plenty of time to pick up Wii Speak.
david.dakota Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 I also don't see how you would unlock stages, would you only be able to vote for stages all players have unlocked? Same as MK. You can only vote for half the courses at first- doesn't stop you playing them though (if another vote wins). To me 7 levels does seem too few, i'd argue a few more would've been better- after all its an odd number- however if they're all good quality its not an issue. Besides, i'm sure in WaW i only really saw 5 or 6 stages.
Retro_Link Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 It had facility and temple. nuff said. :EDIT: and the caves and the grey one a can't remember the name of. I'm finding it pretty hard to think of any others to be fair, but back to my original statement. Bunker FTW!!
Daft Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 http://kotaku.com/5213564/the-conduit-preview-calling-do+overs The Conduit Preview: Calling Do-Overs Last night's The Conduit multiplayer event was plagued by major server issues, leaving developer High Voltage Software no choice but to call do-overs. "We know it's a letdown to you," High Voltage Chief Creative Officer Eric Nofsinger told crestfallen journalists. "It's definitely a letdown to us." So, with little else to do with 10 completely playable builds of The Conduit, journalists were turned loose on the single player mode that we've only gotten mere tastes of over the last nine months. Here's what we came away with. What Is It? The Conduit is a sci-fi first person shooter, developed exclusively for the Wii. Players take the role of ex-Secret Service Agent generic name Michael Ford to fight their way through an alien-attacked Washington D.C. Originally, the game was going to have Wii MotionPlus, but that got scrapped because it was deemed unnecessary . It sounds like they're going to keep Wii Speak in for multiplayer, though. What We Saw Robbed of multiplayer and with about three times as many journalists as there were builds, I settled for a sharing playthrough with GamesRadar's Brett Elston. Originally, we were going to pass the controller back and forth every time one of us died – but since Brett rarely ever died and I died all the time, we settled for taking turns by level. In about half an hour, we'd made it all the way to level five or so before Brett started dying regularly. How Far Along Is It? The game is due out in June, but it still looks like it's in bad need of a polish. I'd like to think two months is enough time, but according to Creative Director Matt Corso, the art team is still changing things like lighting and textures. Here's hoping it'll all come together. What Needs Improvement? Polish, polish, polish: Everything from the graphics to the difficulty balancing could use a couple more passes by the developer. There's nothing glaringly wrong with the game, but a series of minor flaws combined with high expectations for The Conduit could cost High Voltage. Example: the textures are dull – no biggie. But combine that with a level that's difficulty needs balancing (even Brett died like four times on the train in level four), a checkpoint that feels like it's in the wrong place and some wigging-out of the motion controls when trying to turn with the Wii Remote. That's a recipe for harsh or mixed reviews right there. Holding Down To Crouch: Most of the button-controls in the game were easy to pick up. You tap B to shoot, hold B to charge up the weapon and press A to jump, etc. But crouching involves holding down on the C button – which doesn't really feel intuitive. Especially considering that to toggle a weapon's scope view, all you have to do is press down on the D-pad and it just stays that way ‘til you press it again. That, to me, seems like a better, more intuitive way to crouch. All Seeing Eye Puzzles Don't Make Much Sense: To be fair, I didn't spend too much time with the All Seeing Eye – but what few puzzles I did encounter with it weren't very puzzle-y because they didn't really have anything to do with logic. For example, you get to a door with a bright yellow alien lock on it. To unlock it, you have to use the Eye to look for two yellow nodes somewhere in the room, focus the Eye on it and press B to charge up the lock. You'd think the challenge of finding the nodes would make for some kind of puzzle – but nope. They're just randomly tossed around the room, making you question whether the lock wasn't just some developer device to slow you down while the engine renders the graphics in the next room. Gets Old Fast Early On: I'm really hoping the story makes up for the lack of variety to gameplay. Sure, the All Seeing Eye puzzles shake things up a bit; but for the first four levels when you don't have it, combat gets really old really fast. Especially when you die more than four times at a single checkpoint. What Should Stay The Same? Control Scheme: When the controller wasn't wigging out from whatever external pressures exerted on it (10 other controllers going at the same time, bright lights, cell phone signals, etc.), the Wii controls worked pretty well. I think High Voltage has done a good job of a) finding a natural-feeling default that will work for everyone and b) providing all kinds of customization options just in case it doesn't feel natural enough for some. Options Galore: You can change a lot about The Conduit on the fly in any level from the Start menu screen. Wii Remote sensitivity, level difficulty and basic audio/visual options are there. But there's also a layer of tweaks that can turn an easy level into a hardcore experience: for example, there's an option to set the Wii Remote so that when you point it off screen, Agent Ford keeps turning in place (the default is that he stops moving when the reticule leaves the screen). It's a very small, very subtle difference, but it can make a level feel like a completely different experience. Varied Weapons: I didn't get to see more than four guns in five levels, but there's something like 15 weapons in the game (all available in multiplayer). A lot of them are your basic shooter weapons: pistol, machine gun, alien shocking ray gun, etc. But hidden weapons caches will yield higher-level weapons with additional motion control features, such as an alien rocket launcher that lets you control the rocket with the Wii Remote after you fire. There Will Be Cheats: Think back to Goldeneye, Turok and Perfect Dark on Nintendo 64 – they all had weird cheats and unlockables that gave the games tons of replayability and spiced up multiplayer like you wouldn't believe. The Conduit plans to offer cheats along the same line – as well as some pre-order bonus codes for unlockable stuff. It's On The Wii: I don't care if other developers have abandoned the Wii to the casual games scene – there needs to be a middle ground game like The Conduit that straddles hardcore challenge and Little Johnny's First FPS. Final Thoughts The biggest problem I foresee for The Conduit comes from shooter fans that are too used to games on PS3 and 360. It takes a lot of work to unlearn the dual analog stick system of moving and shooting; I could see gamers getting frustrated and mistaking The Conduit's controls as the source of their learning curve woes. That concern aside, Wii gamers will be pleased; because is nothing else, The Conduit is a step in the right direction. It might fall short of expectations on some fronts (especially if they don't get that difficulty balancing sorted out), but the game goes a long way towards exploring what the Wii can really do for the first person experience – as well as for multiplayer (if they get the servers working, that is). I like the cheats. More games need fun cheats!
Shino Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Seems pretty a pretty subjective hands on, and the crouch button is a silly complain since you can map everything.
Goron_3 Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Right the main complaints are that it gets very repetitive very quickly and that is needs a lot of polishing. I don't really expect either of them change really seeing as it's out so soon, though will probably buy it to support the cause (same reason i have Madworld and NMH, not that i've played either for more than an hour or so). Can see it getting around 80% or most reviews. Fingers crossed it'll sell well.
Shino Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Right the main complaints are that it gets very repetitive very quickly and that is needs a lot of polishing. I don't really expect either of them change really seeing as it's out so soon, though will probably buy it to support the cause (same reason i have Madworld and NMH, not that i've played either for more than an hour or so). Can see it getting around 80% or most reviews. Fingers crossed it'll sell well. He was watching someone else play and probably wasn't minimally interested to begin with. It has to be pretty damn repetitive for him to say that after half an hour.
dwarf Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Have you played it? And if you're appalled by repetitiveness, you should look towards other genres. I certainly prefer that to endless out-of-nowhere-spawning. A point where I think that the game is original (as far as I know), hence my being baffled that even this aspect can be prone to criticism. 1) No I haven't played it but videos are conclusive that this happens a lot. At least there's cover systems in other games and the things don't just run at you. 2)C'mon, destroyable spawn points don't make for fun gameplay. And no, it isn't orignal at all. I've seen it in multiple games where it just isn't enjoyable because you have to aim at two things at the same time which isn't possible so either way you're going to have to sacrifice health when concentrating fire on the spawn hole. Killing the enemies that come from it feels pointless in the knowledge that infinite numbers can pop out at any given moment so I'm baffled this hasn't come under criticism. Why have these spawn concepts at all? Obviously enemies come from somewhere but endless hordes and this 'idea' are ridiculous.
dwarf Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Your an FPS fan Dan can you explain more conclusively why destoryable spawn points suck?
Dan_Dare Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 because they're non design, soul crushing joy vampires?
Kav Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 I've seen plenty of videos where the enemies take cover, retreat if out-gunned and flank you... just Youtube it to see them! Also, the devs say on couple videos that the difficulty is turned down when they showcase the game. I don't mind the portals, I like the idea that while I'm fighting enemy reinforcements will be on their way unless I manage to put a stop to it!
dwarf Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 Cmon you are in denial - the portals are shite. And find me a youtube video of that, because all the clips I've seen the supposedly superior race just come sprinting towards you holding a 'shoot me' sign.
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