gaggle64 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Excellent drive from Massa, well deserved. Not sure what's going on at the stewards though, either give him a penalty or don't, don't leave it hanging over everybody's head until after the race for pete's sake. I think Ferrari are going to have to throw themselves behind Massa over Raikkonen now, they can't keep with this situation where Kimi and Massa are trading blows while Hamilton continues to etch out a championship lead. Massa seems to have really rediscovered himself while Kimi is looking almost ordinary by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Excellent drive from Massa, well deserved. Not sure what's going on at the stewards though, either give him a penalty or don't, don't leave it hanging over everybody's head until after the race for pete's sake. I think Ferrari are going to have to throw themselves behind Massa over Raikkonen now, they can't keep with this situation where Kimi and Massa are trading blows while Hamilton continues to etch out a championship lead. Massa seems to have really rediscovered himself while Kimi is looking almost ordinary by comparison. yeah it's gotta be Massa, I think he can push Lewis to the final race in Brazil, BUT i do worry about Ferrari's engine; after hungary and today i'm reluctant to admit it but i worry that one engine failure from Massa and it's all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 That has to be one of the most boring races i've seen in a LONG time! Overall I've been dissapointed by Valencia which is a real shame, as I think it has way more potential. The track is extremely boring to look at the majority of the time, with nothing distinguishing one part from the other, just concrete blocks and wire fences. The whole race was just a procession with no overtaking whatsoever! The only move of the afternoon I can think of was DC trying to overtake on a corner and it not coming off resulting in him spinning. That's ALL we got! There was a little talk towards the end of the race about plans to maybe change the track a little for next year and I REALLY hope they do because they need to if they've got this track lined up for another 10 years or so. What an utter bore! I love F1 expanding to new tracks around the world, but what I'm getting a little tired of are these new Tilke designed tracks. He's built some good ones but I can't understand why you would create a new track with NO potential for exciting racing! You're starting from scratch, you could do ANYTHING, but this is what we get! Now we have two insanely boring Spanish GP's! The procession that is Monaco. And numerous other tracks where it's increasingly difficult to overtake on. The likelyhood is Singapore will be the same, and maybe even Abu Dhabi next year! Thankfully they've got rid of San Marino! I want more racing circuits back on the calender! Bring Suzuka back [rather two Japanese GP's if it means better racing!] and future circuits should be designed far better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Yeah, I was rather disappointed by that. Practice/quali seemed like there were a few places with overtaking oppurtunities but it just didn't happen. The whole "everything is grey concrete" should be away for next year since they will surely smarten the whole place up a bit (they didn't exactly have time for it this year) but I do hope theres a bit more action on the track in future. They were right about one thing though, it is like Monaco - really hyped up but ultimately rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodleman Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 What has been up with Ferraris pit stops this year by the way. I remember back in the day they would have 7 seconds to get schumi back out in clear space, for example and you would never doubt that it would happen. This year though massa and Kimi must both dread coming into the pits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 The problem with today's race is that the corners are quite slow, but the straights at times mean you can pick up your speed quite quickly resulting in the cars being spread out from the word go (Mark Allen referred to it as Field Spreading). Two Spanish Grand Prix's (both for Alonso really and he's retired from both) and they are both AWFUL. Hungary is also dreadful and i REALLY hope Singapore is better. Oh well, we've got Spa and Monza coming up and they're the best two races of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Emblem Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 They were right about one thing though, it is like Monaco - really hyped up but ultimately rubbish. But Monaco has had some great races with Drama and such, the whole Sutil incident this year for example. It's memorable for me since Rubeans got his first ever podium behind Shumacher in the Stewart which until then didn't do very well results wise. BTW, has a decision been met on Massa's penalty situation? EDIT: Ah, a fine of 10,000 euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 BTW, has a decision been met on Massa's penalty situation?Yeah, no penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Emblem Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Well thats good for Massa, the last thing he needed was to drop a further 4 points behind Hamilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Ferrari have found that Kimi's engine failure was a result of a broken conrod, the exact same engine problem that brought about Massa's engine failure. Ferrari have said reliability is now a major concern! http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43733 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfear Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I'll be going to Spa this year to watch it live:yay: :yay: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I'll be going to Spa this year to watch it live:yay: :yay:Awesome!! Went to Silverstone this year, but I'd love to go to Spa sometime! It's one of my favourites along with Monza and Suzuka [gone atm]. Where are you sat/stood? and can I ask how much the tickets were? I've heard it's a bit of a nightmare getting to the track because it's isolated up in the hills, are you staying nearby? You'll have to take some photos of your time there and post 'em up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfear Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Well actually my brother does a lot of competitive karting (as a matter of fact he had a race in Spa last week) , it's pretty expensive as you might guess, so we had to look for sponsors... The sponsor we found has free tickets, so... I think the normal tickets are 100-150 euro, but the really good ones (close to the pits or to the track) are a stunning 500 euro !! But I'll be sure to post some pictures up ;) Oh and BTW if anyone here is interested in sponsoring my bro, feel free to contact me, you'll get a mentioning on his site (http://www.filipbrkic.com) and on his outfit... It doesn't have to be much, every contribution helps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaggle64 Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 I was quite surprised a fine was all Massa got. Considerably harsher punishments have been handed out in considerably similar but less dangerous situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCK Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 The FIA is really cowardish. They know they'll get boo'ed if their punishment will affect the race results (and frankly they always would considering Hamilton was -6 seconds), so they just fine him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Why the FIA fined massa is beyond me, he did nothing wrong. It's a small pit lane and at races like Canada where the pit lane is small we see car's getting close together all the time. There shouldn't have been ANY punishment but if you decide on a fine, fine Ferrari not Massa because he had no idea Sutil was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaggle64 Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Massa did do something wrong though. The rules clearly state that the driver is responsible for his own release into the pit lane without risking an incident. In this case he should have backed off and filed in behind the Force India car. It's a bizarre precedent, as it's basically saying you can race other cars in the pit area without serious penalty, and completely contradicts previous rulings. Schumacher once got a drive through for brushing his tyre against the wall as he exited the pit lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Yay Spa!! Watching Free Practice now. Oh how I love this place!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaggle64 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Watched some of the second practice. A few spots of moisture and a fair few back wings being lost in the tire wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share Posted September 5, 2008 Eau Rogue is one amazing corner. Its amazing how fast they can go through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 God this race is going to be so awesome. Best race of the season and a 95% chance of rain means a lot of surprises! I reckon force India will get a 1-2 finish...Call me crazy but Jordan in 1998 anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaggle64 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 If it rains on race day, maybe Kimi will lend his new yacht to Fillipe for the race? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Barrichello on the extreme wets again!, victory is assured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaggle64 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Donnington Park have submitted their building plans to the local authorities for approval (master plan below.) Looks like it could be a decent circuit actually, a couple of hard, tight turns and the long wavy section from the old circuit might provide some decent overtaking opportunities. http://www.donington-park.co.uk/files/pdf/master_plan.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog Posted September 6, 2008 Author Share Posted September 6, 2008 Looks good, but would still prefer Silverstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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