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So I was browsing Eurogamer today and it seems there is some pretty solid evidence that RDR2 is in development. Full article can be found here. This image recently leaked: And was verified by TechRadar using a credible source. Fans have also redrawn this map to include the map of the old RDR game: Anyway, needless to say...I am so, so excited. Read Dead Redemption was one of my favourite games last generation...nay, all time. I far, far preferred this game to any GTA. Are you excited at this potential release?

See I don't know if it's crossed wires or what but I'm not saying what you're arguing against...so I'm not sure why you're saying it? Like you said, probably FIFA or COD is the first game a lot of people have in mind when buying a next gen system, and maybe that's all they get with it at launch. But Clownferret's post clearly said that if those games were on Wii U then that's the console his son's friends would have got - as if they were the only games to get the other consoles for and they were (in his own words) 'forced' to get those consoles. My point was only that such a viewpoint is not going to be a popular one - most people want other games on those systems too and aren't just buying those consoles as they felt 'forced' to if they wanted FIFA. A lot of people like the social, voice chat and online aspects the other consoles afford. That's why I believe that if FIFA did go to Nintendo's console I can't suddenly see many people thinking "oh great, now there's no need to get a PS4".

No Clownferret, you're totally not remembering how this discussion went down. This whole thing about 'people don't buy the system for FIFA' was never the issue I raised. Here is what you said: As you said, they felt 'forced' to buy this system to play those games. I then said that they are very clearly in the minority with this viewpoint - most people do not feel 'forced' to buy the console in the sense that there are other games that they want to buy the system for as well, and that they value those systems anyway for the features they have (parties, voice chat, developed online). I accept that is your opinion but I was presenting to you the other side - that I think FIFA will not do as much for the NX as you think because I think a lot of people do like playing these on other consoles for the features they have. Most people don't feel 'forced'.

They're definitely a minority - think about it, if you're saying they're the majority (ie. not a minority) then what you're saying is that 51% of people or more buy a PS4 and only COD and FIFA; and nothing else. That is clearly not the case. Note that nobody said FIFA was not a system seller (something you argued against) - the point was that most people do not just see the PS4 as something that must be bought and then go on to just buy those two games.

You wouldn't dare hand it in last minute! Nah...I'm up for changing it?

I think trick weapons were great - it was like having a heavy and a light weapon equipped in one. Shame to see they weren't incorporated in Dark Souls sequels. But yeah, Bloodborne was ace - felt really quite different (in style as well - very gothic). A very neat spin on the Souls formula.

I think for people familiar with Souls, Bloodborne in some ways required you to break quite a few habits (in Souls games you walk about a bit like a tortoise with a shield raised). In Bloodborne you have no shield so need to be a lot more fluid and dodge attacks more than block. Going into Bloodborne fresh might be quite cool as there's no mentality to break heading in.

Nah, don't let us put you off. It is a series to be experienced and in terms of gameplay you really can't get much better. The beginning segments are usually tougher than the rest of the game but about a third of the way through you will really feel like everything clicks. It is great fun from start to finish.

At least in Dark Souls 3 there are so many enemies placed in ambushes that I literally had no clue about until they appeared (even climbing over the edge of railing or literally seeming to spawn in). For me, the knowledge of enemy placements and weaknesses has always been my greatest strength second time round!

Excellent read! Very glad you're enjoying it - such a fun game when you get into it.

Don't resist. It's a really fuckin' great game.

Well no, that's not actually true, is it? Either way, this is fucking stupid. Let the mods clean this up.

I agree that going the hybrid route would make most sense given that their handheld systems sell well. That said, I'm not sure a game like FIFA would fare much better. Interesting times.

That would create some parity, but here's a musing. Let's say that the NX launches early next year - 2017. The PS4 and X1 will have been out about 3.5 years or so - probably about mid generation. Many people who like their FIFA and COD games have jumped on board by that point. Now, the people who really love Nintendo games will buy the NX anyway, but as we've seen with the Wii U, those people alone are not enough to keep third parties putting out their games on the console. Probably in part as well because they love Nintendo games, and less so non-Nintendo games, which they buy less of. My question is this: do you think there is a huge third subset of people who like FIFA/COD that have not bought another console already to buy their game, who were not already going to buy a Nintendo console but might be swayed to? Because to me, at this point in the generation, that is all the extra people having FIFA will bring in. Maybe some people who really love Nintendo will not have another console but dip into FIFA. Maybe cheaper porting costs mean it will get some extra games due to cheaper dev costs. But...unless there is another Wii-esque innovation that we don't know about, I just don't see how many extra systems it will shift by having these games. By people's own confession, Wii U had highly rated games (even if they felt mostly unambitious to me). But, that wasn't enough. Will having third parties be the answer? I honestly don't think so, personally. Many people will argue what defines success and if for you, the console having great games means it will be successful, then you will probably be delighted. But unless this console does something crazy, I just don't see multiplatform third parties like FIFA saving it from a similar Wii U fate. Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. I honestly have no clue how to respond to someone so blatantly disrespectful, continuing to accuse people of being autistic as an insult - because, yes, it very clearly is an insult to say to someone you don't like when you're having an argument with them. It also shows that you haven't got even a hint of a clue about the mannerisms and behavioural traits associated with autism. You are vile.

No, what you saw was someone expressing a negative viewpoint towards a thing and providing a counter point of view to that of others; such is discussion. My posts were pretty clearly an expression of my opinon; despite the lack of 'I think'. And now, you are making this place toxic by doing silly things like calling people autistic. They are instant loses; the second you say something like that, you know, I know, and everyone else knows that you fucked it. I'll gladly welcome more questions from liger, or anyone with a point of debate on topic that isn't implying someone is an idiot.

Absolutely - and the answer? Most people thirsting for third party support will buy those consoles for said third party support. It kinda stands to reason. And with NX launching mid gen, many of those people will have bought into their next gen console already. I just don't see a lot of people buying these games on Nintendo consoles rather than where existing friend lists are - I also think it's very unlikely Nintendo will ever acquire third party support on the level of competitors, so it's a bit of a moot point.

The service is actually really good, and as a heavy user of an always online game I would know immediately when I'm playing if it went down. I must have clocked over a thousands hours of online play (especially with Destiny) - and as I've said, I can't remember the last time the network went down. Certainly the messaging system was a bit dodge around the launch of the PS4 and some time after, but now it works really quite well. I guess my point with the apples and oranges was not to say 'they are completely incomparable'. Because you're right, to some extent an online service can be compared to another, at least in the aspects they share. My point is more that few games use online on Wii U, and very, very few use always online. If it goes down for 30 minutes, there's a good chance you won't even notice it - ie. people are biased to think that system always works. You also have the fact that there are many more things that can go wrong with a more complex service that hosts hundreds/thousands rather than tens of games - although, I concede, since you pay for it you expect perfection. It's a shame though that people without intimate knowledge of the network use high profile articles to argue their points, but not really surprising. Most of Sony's/X1's high-profile outages have been the result of targeted attacks, usually around Christmas, which again, won't really happen to Nintendo's network as the trolls go for the bigger consoles for maximum impact.

I'm not going to argue anymore on this, I am very confident about those points I made and I reckon you are too but you just want to have an argument about the wording because you get a kick out of these slagging matches. I will say though, telling people they need to learn to debate while simultaneously calling them autistic is pretty hilarious, if not incredibly stupid.

Sorry getting a train to Manchester so won't be back on most of the weekend.

Ugh, I can't stand it when people start talking utter bollocks. I was pretty clearly stating my opinion, but in order to "win an argument" you will now interpret all words I say as literally as possible. Why do this...? To clarify - when I say "it won't do a thing", I don't mean it won't make a single sale. I mean, by and large, this won't really make much difference. Because people do not select Nintendo consoles to play these games. It will not reverse Nintendo's third party situation. The funny thing is that people think EA coming back would rectify things, and that behind the scenes literally everything that is wrong with Nintendo and why it doesn't attract third parties has secretly been fixed.

I primarily play Destiny on my PS4, which as you know, is an always online game. I think it would be fair to say that I have a good feel for the service...whereas honestly, you don't seem to be on very much (you're on my friends list). And I genuinely can't remember when it last went down for me. It is a really stable service - most of my issues have been with Destiny servers (particularly around events like Iron Banner). Put simply, I think you're just complaining for the sake of it, or have a really shit connection. As for "apples and oranges" - yeah, what of it? The vast majority of Nintendo games aren't online, at least not always online. So if they went down for a half hour here or there, I doubt you'd even have a clue.

@MilaGi can you come this year?

My bad. Most people (≥50%) may buy games consoles just to pay two games. Nintendo's console may gain a major FIFA userbase, contrary to literally everything we know about Nintendo. Pigs may fly. Some things are really pretty obvious, do we need to speak with caution all the time?

Your son and his friends are very much in the minority if they are literally the only worthwhile games those systems provide. And having these games on Nintendo's system will not do a thing. People will not select their console to buy these games, by and large. Other than for your personal situation and a smattering of people who feel like you, this won't matter on the big scale. The vast majority of people rightly recognise the advantages to the other consoles and why they are most suited to the games they get. These systems have cultivated party systems, voice chat, image, advertising deals, standard controllers and the userbase. Most people do not think "god, I have to buy a PlayStation or Xbox system to play FIFA". That is literally the furthest thing from reality.

Nintendo have a very limited service compared to Sony/MS; to compare their reliability like this is apples and oranges. As a further point, a lot of the high profile downtime has been due to attacks on Sony/MS servers. Groups target these consoles because people actually use them. Also - games download at full speed for me. A lot of people's issues tend to be throttling/setup related.