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As I said, the Eyetoy was a motion capturing device, as was the Sixaxis. So if you wanted to make such a tenuous link as Wii remote to Sixaxis then you could just as easily link Eyetoy to Wii Remote. It's a bit ridiculous to specifically mention Nintendo though when it comes to stealing ideas, as all game companies steal ideas from each other literally all the time. Online features, controller features, disc technology...you name it, Nintendo have copied it.

Sony also was experimenting with motion detection much earlier with the Eyetoy, and lost the ability to put in vibration in their controllers so basically had to come up with something else. I don't buy that the Sixaxis was a Wii remote rip off at all. If Sony believed that Nintendo were on to a winner with their controller then the Move would have come out right away, plain and simple. The Sixaxis is just a totally different thing to what the Wii remote did.

Nah that wasn't the copy. The sixaxis was not a pointing device. And motion tech in general was already knocking about way before the Wii (not sure if you knew). The copy was PlayStation Move.

Honestly, Nintendo could have shown it 3 years before release, I don't think it would have mattered. Sony and Microsoft copied it when they saw it was commercially successful, which was after launch.

Well after the last-gen spec Wii U launched at £300 with a bungled OS there's literally no way in hell I can even half contemplate buying one of these at launch. Depending on whether they come up with new ideas and more exciting games, I might get one.

I don't know how you heard that from him saying the Wii U had a better breadth of titles. Even if he made that point it still isn't a very good one. The PS4 could have 500 FPS games and it wouldn't matter so long as it still has tons of games of other genres (which it does). Nintendo can very easily be criticised for being platformer heavy as they have a very limited console output and support their console pretty much single-handedly. Making platformer number 5 isn't going to pull in that many new customers as platformer lovers already bought the system for the previous games. Besides, third parties can make whatever games they want for a console, it's hardly a negative for the system for gamers to have even more games available for it. If FPS games sell well (they do) then you will naturally see more available. That said, there are plenty of other genre games made by other developers coming to the system too. And within the FPS genre there is MASSIVE variation (e.g. Fallout vs COD).

Breadth of titles on the Wii U versus breadth of titles on the PS4, that's all this is about. Once again - nobody should give a flying fuck about 'how well' Nintendo do for one developer compared to say Sony. Nintendo have a console and the games on that console should be as diverse as those available on other consoles if they want lots of people to pick it up. They are not.

Wii U - games from mostly just Nintendo. PS4 - games from most developers currently making games. Absolute lunacy Ronnie; not a person here agrees with you!

I don't get it - we are telling you why there is a serious lack of diversity on the console and then you're basically saying 'yeah but they're just one developer; isn't that good for one developer'. I don't care if they're one developer - it's simply not my problem that they chose to make their own console with so little support. Our comments on the situation relative to the competition are more than fair. They shouldn't be making a console if they can't muster adequate support.

So you're saying the Wii sold because of the gimmick - fine? I would agree that it sold a lot of units due to a gimmick. And then I'd go on to say that success attracted third parties with a variety of games. Anyway this is moving away from the point of the Wii U - it HAS games that have sold several million copies, yet the system is not massively selling buckets when these new games come out. That's because it's mostly the same people who already have the system and previous games buying the new games. A lot of this is due to the games Nintendo are making - both the types (e.g. lots of platformers) and the style. And because they are all made by one company, diversity in their output will obviously be very limited. It's not like on other systems where you have lots of your realistic racers, sports games, big FPS titles, RPGs, indie titles, etc - all made by different companies. Each of those types of games can attract very different audiences. We know this must be true because if you look at individual game sales they are nowhere near the several million system sales that the PS4 has. People are buying different types of games.

What point are you making here? The Wii/DS did have diversity, it had third parties on board. Wii U is pretty much just Nintendo, making their usual stuff to sell to their dedicated audience. The same people buy the games, so you don't see massive numbers of system sales despite good individual game sales.

You're using figures to try prove one thing, but those figures were your undoing for your comments on diversity. I'll break it down for you as you clearly didn't understand the point being made - you're saying that the Wii U has a bunch of games that have sold 4-5 million, maybe even 7 million, and how this compares to the competition. And we're telling you that these games sell to the same audience, hence lack of diversity of games, which is reflect by the lack of system sales. The fact that the Wii U struggles so much is enough to show the clear lack of games and lack of diversity in their lineup. And a huge lack of some genres of games. If they pulled in multiple different audiences then there'd a lot more units shifted.

Nintendo's games are so concentrated in one area (and lacking diversity) that they all sell to the same subset of people. It's why so few consoles shift even though they have a good few individual games that have shifted millions of copies. You're using sales to try prove your point, but ironically they have proven ours - a clear lack of diversity in appeal of the games they make.

Yeah, just a few gaps. That's why nobody is buying their fucking console.

I don't care if they develop more types of games than any other one company. They are still one company, and one company alone cannot produce diversity to float an entire console.

Nintendo are definitely not too diverse for their own good (far from it!). That list just shows the top 4 games sales wise on offer - it doesn't show the range of games on offer on the system, nor does it make mention that 2 of those involve Mario. The biggest take home is that most of their games are made by Nintendo - a sure sign of a lack of diversity.

At first I thought how silly it was that you barely see any of the screen in that second pic. Looking closer, it seems like the tickboxes are for indicating what you want to show on this mini window (notice that the things that are ticked all appear on the left hand side of the screen too). So once you've selected the things you want, I don't think you'll see that big window again.

The best news here is that opening up the PS menu while in-game (or clicking the share button) will not take up the whole screen. Not bothered by folders, but the non-downloaded content organisation sounds good.

Ah, Pokemon snap. The game that single-handedly showed us how a proper Pokemon game might work on home console. Imagine instead walking around an encountering Pokemon like how they appear in Snap, with the option to catch them.

Why do you need to be told you can come?

Yeah I don't think we can stress enough how grateful we all are to you @Zell - thanks once again for being an awesome host and putting us all up at yours!

No technically about it, it most certainly was doing it. I lost many an hour to PSO on gamecube.

As the saying goes...you get what you pay for.

I don't give a fuck if it's first, second or third party Ronnie. The point about Indies that completely flew over your head was that compared to the PS4, Wii U hardly has any. It mostly has Nintendo games which limits the diversity on offer. All that matters is that the Wii U has poor game variety. Doesn't matter a jot about whether it's a first/third party list.

I can sure do that.