Sheikah Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Remove Vote It begins. You've spent the last pages of the topic with your vote down bit arguing his case. It's like you were never voting him. I find it ridiculous that given the information we have that you have removed vote.
EEVILMURRAY Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Was your original target The Peeps? (Also, Esequiel is dead, we lynched him ) Nope. Tried myself.
Jonnas Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Jimbob being redirected from ReZ in night one would have to mean Esequiel redirected him. Esequiel was mafia, it's safe to assume Jimbob is town and telling the truth. No, it was Sheikah who redirected. Esequiel roleblocked me, he confessed to that. We also have evidence in that night's write up of Jimbob targeting you, Jonnas. He clearly didn't attempt to kill you so why would he invent copping you rather than just reveal your ability. We've also had no other cop come forward which further backs Jimbob up. Yeah, you're right, I remember the write-up, now. However, I think Jon Dedede was a cop, too: he could prove who was town or not without a shadow of a doubt. While Jimbob "changing powers" makes more sense now than it did last night before I went to bed (), I still noticed something: If Animal is the taserer, and if he was protecting himself, and if Jimbob targeted Animal... doesn't this mean that Animal tasered Jimbob out of self-protection, instead of intentional roleblocking? It's silly, but we haven't really considered this, have we? Nobody else targeted Animal last night, I think.
Sheikah Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 If Animal is the taserer, and if he was protecting himself, and if Jimbob targeted Animal... doesn't this mean that Animal tasered Jimbob out of self-protection, instead of intentional roleblocking? It's silly, but we haven't really considered this, have we? Nobody else targeted Animal last night, I think. So you remove your vote to consider this? Come on. It's looking like you're desperately trying to find any excuse to keep him in the game. "If" this and "if" that. So "if" Animal protected himself you're saying that Jimbob could also be tasered for targeting him - what, a protection that protects against alignment investigations? Uh oh, that's suddenly sounding quite scummy, isn't it? But oh, wait - Animal doesn't do tasering, remember? Never mind that when Animal admitted to trying to roleblock me, he got redirected to Peeps and he said he was tasered. Tasered following Animal been sent to him after trying to roleblock. Calling for someone to investigate Jimbob to confirm his power smells a bit like bullshit. It would be pretty damn stupid to make up given a town cop could refute it...and Jimbob is not usually one to lie so dramatically, either. Let's stop considering the outside bets and go with what we can't ignore. Regardless of outcome right now, if he stays it's only going to cause all the talk and action focus to be on him, plus he should supposedly be roleblocking tonight. No rewards for guessing who that might be! Nope. Tried myself. I switched you and Peeps. That means that rather than targeting yourself (if that is what you're saying) you targeted Peeps. However it's odd that you would find only you targeted Peeps, since naturally to have gone to the person that your target was switched with (by me), I had to target 2 people to switch. And to reiterate, I switched you and Peeps as I didn't trust Peeps but trusted you, and wanted to prevent any possible kill/bad action on you.
Jonnas Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 So you remove your vote to consider this? Come on. It's looking like you're desperately trying to find any excuse to keep him in the game. "If" this and "if" that. So "if" Animal protected himself you're saying that Jimbob could also be tasered for targeting him - what, a protection that protects against alignment investigations? Uh oh, that's suddenly sounding quite scummy, isn't it? But oh, wait - Animal doesn't do tasering, remember? I think I made it pretty clear that I believe Animal's story. Also, this is not you vs. him, I am admitting every possibility. I am admitting that Animal might be the taserer, and that tasering might happen by methods other than roleblocking, which makes perfect sense for the roles that both Animal and Yvonne are claiming to have. After all, I wouldn't be surprised if "locking doors" is Yvonne's method, and "tasering" is Animal's. Whoever is affected by their powers (whether by protection or roleblocking) will feel it. As for the bolded part... yes, people other than killers can be stopped. Never mind that when Animal admitted to trying to roleblock me, he got redirected to Peeps and he said he was tasered. Tasered following Animal been sent to him after trying to roleblock. And you're hammering this point because...? Calling for someone to investigate Jimbob to confirm his power smells a bit like bullshit. It would be pretty damn stupid to make up given a town cop could refute it...and Jimbob is not usually one to lie so dramatically, either. I'm pretty sure I've already admitted to not thinking that accusation through. Plenty of people have two powers in this game. Though I'd love to hear what ReZ's other power is, in that case.
Sheikah Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 I think I made it pretty clear that I believe Animal's story. Also, this is not you vs. him, I am admitting every possibility. Admitting every possibility doesn't get us anywhere. Ultimately, you may be right or I may be right. But we're not going to know by doing nothing about it, and I can see this shit dragging into tomorrow if we don't act now. Interesting that Yvonne can also block people from tracking (if you're the one that was blocked). I'd be disappointed if people got the exact same message from targeting a protected Animal as being roleblocked by him. Would make it difficult for town and I'm not aware of a game where people got the exact same flavour for different actions.
The Peeps Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 No, it was Sheikah who redirected. Esequiel roleblocked me, he confessed to that. Esequiel was mafia and couldn't roleblock. Sheikah has given us his targets and it doesn't match up with Jimbob being redirected. Sheikah's targets were himself and ReZ, himself and me, EEVIL and me. There's no way Jimbob could've gotten to you because of anything Sheikah did.
Jonnas Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Admitting every possibility doesn't get us anywhere. Ultimately, you may be right or I may be right. But we're not going to know by doing nothing about it, and I can see this shit dragging into tomorrow if we don't act now. My gut tells me Animal is innocent, and if so, his lynch tells us nothing new, really, since it only confirms a story that incriminates nobody. Feel free to try and convince others, though. Would make it difficult for town and I'm not aware of a game where people got the exact same flavour for different actions. If I made such a role, I would do the same, prioritize flavour: Batman would use batarangs both to stop someone specific (roleblock) and to drive away potential foes (protect), for example. Esequiel was mafia and couldn't roleblock. Sheikah has given us his targets and it doesn't match up with Jimbob being redirected. Sheikah's targets were himself and ReZ, himself and me, EEVIL and me. There's no way Jimbob could've gotten to you because of anything Sheikah did. I think you're confusing nights, here. Night 1: Esequiel roleblocks me. Jimbob attempts to target ReZ, but gets Sheikah instead. Night 2: Esequiel redirected Eevilmurray to himself. Jimbob targeted me without problem. And yes, Esequiel could do both. He confessed to it, Eevil can confirm, and the write-up of his death confirms it as well.
Sheikah Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 If I made such a role, I would do the same, prioritize flavour: Batman would use batarangs both to stop someone specific (roleblock) and to drive away potential foes (protect), for example. Roleblocking and protecting yourself are different things though. The chances are, and based on past experiences, the PMs would be different. We should be basing our actions on what is most probable.
The Peeps Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 So far Animal hasn't admitted to using a taser which is shifty in itself. It would be something he could deduce from his role PM, even if it doesn't explicitly say it in his night results imo. Jonnas if you trust Animal so much would you prefer a vote on Yvonne considering they have identical roles? I really think the mafia would've hammered by now if Animal was town though.
Jonnas Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Jonnas if you trust Animal so much would you prefer a vote on Yvonne considering they have identical roles? They don't. Their protect/roleblock powers alternate. When one is protecting, the other one is roleblocking and vice-versa. Either way, both having the same power is irrelevant. Otherwise, I would be voting ReZ, for apparently having the same power as Jimbob. I really think the mafia would've hammered by now if Animal was town though. The ones who aren't voting Animal are myself, mr-paul, ReZ, Cube and Eevil. You suspect one of those, then? I suppose ReZ is fishy, but inactive. mr-paul was roleblocked in a deathless night, but has a very townie power. The others sound town to me.
The Peeps Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 It could easily be ReZ and Animal or Yvonne and ReZ. We're most likely looking for two more members of the mafia. I'm comfortable saying it's not Sheikah, myself, mr-paul, Jonnas, Jimbob, Cube or EEVIL. I would say we lynch Animal today and if we're wrong go for Yvonne. Following that go for ReZ.
Jonnas Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 It could easily be ReZ and Animal or Yvonne and ReZ. We're most likely looking for two more members of the mafia. I'm comfortable saying it's not Sheikah, myself, mr-paul, Jonnas, Jimbob, Cube or EEVIL. I would say we lynch Animal today and if we're wrong go for Yvonne. Following that go for ReZ. Yeah, ReZ is fishy. I would sooner lynch him than either Animal or Yvonne, though. Vote: ReZourceman Meaningless, but that's the best lead we have, IMO.
Cube Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 I've been reading this back and forth and The Peeps' theory makes the most sense. Vote: Animal
The Peeps Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Yeah, ReZ is fishy. I would sooner lynch him than either Animal or Yvonne, though. Vote: ReZourceman Meaningless, but that's the best lead we have, IMO. You know that's not going to happen today right? Can you please just vote for Animal so we can end this day. If you're right and he's town we all promise to be very sorry.
Jonnas Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Alright then, if only because I think this day has run its course, and I'm curious to see what happens next. Change Vote: Animal
DuD Posted November 28, 2014 Author Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) Animal (6) : Sheikah, Jimbob, The Peeps, Yvonne, Cube Jonnas Sheikah (1) : Animal Majority is reached. @Mr\-Paul @ReZourceman @Sheikah @The Peeps @Yvonne Night 4 48hrs peoples. Edited November 28, 2014 by DuD Automerged Doublepost
DuD Posted November 30, 2014 Author Posted November 30, 2014 Waiting on last 2 targets: @Mr\-Paul @ReZourceman @Sheikah @The Peeps @Yvonne
DuD Posted November 30, 2014 Author Posted November 30, 2014 Last night I watched over one of the test subjects. I saw The Peeps following him about. I was unable to see what he did and then moments later he was gone. An agent has been found murdered. I can reveal his identity to be Percy Taylor. He was our tech specialist, and would use his bugs to Track his target. He was Town. @Mr\-Paul @ReZourceman @Sheikah @The Peeps @Yvonne Day 5
Sheikah Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 Yvonne is town. I switched Yvonne and Jonnas last night, thinking the Mafia would try kill Jonnas.
Yvonne Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 uh...thanks? I successfully protected you btw?
Cube Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 OK, this sounds really bad but is really important. With Animal turning out good, I thought it was obvious that @Yvonne was evil. So I used my one-time kill ability on him. Unfortunately, someone messed that up and got Jonnas killed. So, Vote: Yvonne, as I still think my theory is correct. Keep in mind that the mafia's kill failed, so we still have that to look into. And that I would have been unable to use any power last night if I was mafia.
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