Shorty Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 The main reason the third film sucked is that nothing happens for about 45 minutes.
Retro_Link Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Yeah that Subway sequence is one of the worst scenes I've ever experienced in a film. *yawn* I think I like the sequels a little more each time I see them, and have developed a preference of 3 > 2. Just because 2 now feels like complete filler tbh, with nothing really important happening until the last half hour. Yes there are some cool scenes, the 100 smiths (which actually looks rediculously animated now), the entrance hall/staircase fight, the motorway etc... but that's it. At least the third has plenty going for it (minus the intro) and I actually enjoy the last stand, final fight scenes, even if the films don't take the direction you would have perhaps liked.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I am interested in this. Yes, I didn't like the second and third films so much, but mainly that's because they were BATSHIT INSANE AND DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. Wtf was all the stuff with the oracle, architect, ghosts etc. It seemed they had an idea, but it wasn't thought out well enough and left gaps that looked intentional but I have now concluded it was all just wrong. OBJECTION! There weren't actually any gaps. It all made sense, but most people were thrown off since the sequels didn't exactly explain everything, and the explanations we did get were not exactly crystal clear. But rest assured that it all did make sense. I am also extremely curious as to what they're going to do with the new films, especially since Neo is present. The story has already been continued somewhat in The Matrix Online (and that does seem to be canon), but not many people know about that stuff, and Neo isn't present.
Retro_Link Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Question: has The One always taken a different image? I presumed so/it makes sense that he has, and so yeah... it wouldn't follow on for it to be a new incarnation of The One. I've forgotten, what did the Machines agree to at the end?... because surely if stopped harvesting humans, they'd die out, which they ain't gonna do!... hence the war starting up again?
darksnowman Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 The Matrix 2 is a guilty pleasure of mine. There. I said it.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Question: has The One always taken a different image? I presumed so/it makes sense that he has, and so yeah... it wouldn't follow on for it to be a new incarnation of The One. I've forgotten, what did the Machines agree to at the end?... because surely if stopped harvesting humans, they'd die out, which they ain't gonna do!... hence the war starting up again? Regarding the One, we don't know. Seeing as the Oracle treats Neo very much as an individual, I assume each One is a separate person who's just carrying the same code. The Machines agreed to free the ones that wanted out of the Matrix. It's the best compromise for everyone involved: Those who want to stay (like Cypher) can stay, those who want freedom (like Morpheus) can go. The Machines still get power, and the humans can live in peace.
Retro_Link Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Well what if the majority want out... Machines are fucked! And surely it would all kick off inside the Matrix when someone goes in and tells EVERYONE about it! Is quite a lame ending tbh!
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Well what if the majority want out... Machines are fucked! And surely it would all kick off inside the Matrix when someone goes in and tells EVERYONE about it! Is quite a lame ending tbh! I couldn't disagree more with you. We're told by the Architect in Reloaded that only a minority is actually rejecting the program, i.e. those who live in Zion. Also, it's likely that they're just going to free those who reject the program, not go out and say: "Hey, this is all fake!"
Retro_Link Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 That's not what you said though, you said those who want out, can have out?
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 That's not what you said though, you said those who want out, can have out? That's the way it's worded, yes. But in the context it makes sense that they're talking about the subconscious rejection of the program. No one knows for sure, though.
flameboy Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 If you liked the Matrix that much then you should really read this... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Matrix-Warrior-Being-Gollancz-S-F/dp/0575075279 already got it lol and both of the comics and another book called the matrix decoded and another book inspired by the matrix called the philisopher at the end of the universe.
darksnowman Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I actually got that book (randomly) for Christmas that Murr posted. I'll have to give it a read to get me back into the Matrix mythos and mayhem.
Shorty Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 [uPDATE: The Senior Administrator for the London International School of Performing Arts informed me that Keanu Reeves made no appearance there. DEBUNKED] http://screenrant.com/matrix-4-5-bill-and-ted-3-keanu-reeves-rob-97796/ I gotta say I was a bit doubtful when only one person was reporting something said to a room full of film buffs.
Daft Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Question: Why is everyone so intent on being "free"? The real world is a shit hole and even if society did reform, it would pretty much follow the same shitty rules we have nowadays - it wouldn't magically be some kind of utopia.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Question: Why is everyone so intent on being "free"? The real world is a shit hole and even if society did reform, it would pretty much follow the same shitty rules we have nowadays - it wouldn't magically be some kind of utopia. I think it's explained pretty well by Morpheus in the first film: It's simply about not wanting to be controlled.
Daft Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Except you'd be controlled whatever happened. That's what society is. How Morpheus dresses, how he acts, his masculinity, his gestures - how 'real' do you think that is? How much choice do you think is involved in being who you are? Much less than you probably think. At least the Matrix isn't a derelict wasteland, it's a place where you can actually see the sun. Being controlled? Really not the BIG BAD it is painted so naively.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Except you'd be controlled whatever happened. That's what society is. How Morpheus dresses, how he acts, his gestures, his masculinity - how 'real' do you think that is? How much choice do you think is involved in being who you are? Much less than you probably think. At least the Matrix isn't a derelict wasteland where you can actually see the sun. I'm not defending the logic behind it. I'm just explaining the film's rationale.
Daft Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Yeah, I was just pointing out the film's rational is short-sighted meta-bull.
Retro_Link Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) Well tbf Morpheus is a bit of a bastard and doesn't actually say what reality is like! Only, do you want to live in a dream or reality. Had he said, do you fancy living in a cave with 10 people for the rest of your life... Edited January 24, 2011 by Retro_Link
Diageo Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 If you are one of the civilians, can't you get randomly turned into an agent or Mr Smith himself? What happens to you then?
flameboy Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 If you are one of the civilians, can't you get randomly turned into an agent or Mr Smith himself? What happens to you then? presumably when they take on someone elses form you return to your body....this would explain those phenomena where people loses hours and think they've been abducted by aliens when in fact your not its just an agent taking over your body...
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