ReZourceman Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Has not seen anything to make a judgement on the quality of the film yet for himself. Other people share this view. Do you think The Dark Knight Rises is going to be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Dare Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 That's different- there's actual precedent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 IGN Rewind Theater of the Trailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Twas a helpful video, Red Skull really does look awesome. I think it'd be great if Wolverine had a cameo in this movie, not by name or obvious but just someone during a battle with wild hair to get around Fox's ownership of the rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yeah it was nice to have the teaser trailer broken down, because it all happens so fast. I thought the Red Skull was a mask, is that not the case? In the comics are Wolverine and Captain A, in the same super soldier programme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Im not actually that well read up on Red Skull but im pretty sure it wasnt a mask. Black Skull from Batman wore the skull mask then couldnt remove it. Wolverine wasnt Weapon X when he fought in World War II, just a mutant but it was all retconned a few years ago so you find out that Captain America was actually Weapon 1 and Wolverine is Weapon 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Dare Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Yep. Captain America is Weapon I, Wolverine is Weapon X (numerals, not X-Gene) And in the Ultimate marvel continuity, The Hulk is the result of an attempt to re-create the Super Soldier Serum used on Cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEVILMURRAY Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I thought the Red Skull was a mask, is that not the case? Depends when. To begin with it was a mask. But later on I think they decided to make it so that it was physical. I know he mutilated himself in the ultimate series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Dare Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 He's an incredibly convoluted badguy- he's several clones and psychic hosts past his original body so he may have originally worn a mask but it's certainly a real face at this point. Or was. I think Brubaker killed him off pretty thoroughly not so long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I just googled the Red Skull and wiki says this... Johann Schmidt, the true Red Skull As with many supervillains, Johann Schmidt had a traumatic childhood that warped his mind, paving the way for villainy in his adult life. Johann Schmidt was born in a village in Germany to Hermann and Martha Schmidt. Schmidt's mother died in childbirth and his father blamed Johann for it and tried to murder him, only to be stopped by the attending doctor. The father later committed suicide and Johann was orphaned. He grew up on the streets as a beggar and a thief struggling to survive and his hatred of humanity grew with each day. A key episode was when he fell for a local Jewish girl, but when she spurned his clumsy advances, he murdered her, finding a release for his frustrations. With that, his depravity grew even more.[4] Schmidt worked as a menial laborer and in his late teens, during the rise of the Third Reich, Schmidt got his most prosperous job; a bellhop in a major hotel. While there, he served the rooms of Adolf Hitler himself. By chance, Schmidt was present when the Führer was furiously scolding an officer, during which Hitler pledged that he could create a better National Socialist out of the bellhop. Looking closely at the youth and sensing his dark inner nature, Hitler decided to take up the challenge and recruited Schmidt.[4] Dissatisfied with the standard drill instruction his subordinates used to train Schmidt, Hitler took over personally, and trained Schmidt as his right-hand man. Upon completion, Hitler gave Schmidt a unique uniform with a grotesque red skull mask, and he emerged as the Red Skull for the first time. His role was the embodiment of Nazi intimidation, while Hitler could remain the popular leader of Germany. To that end, The Red Skull was appointed head of Nazi terrorist activities with an additional large role in external espionage and sabotage. He succeeded, wreaking havoc throughout Europe in the early stages of World War II. The propaganda effect was so great that the United States government decided to counter it by creating their own equivalent using the one recipient of the lost Project Rebirth, Steve Rogers, as Captain America.[4] The two counterparts soon clashed for the first time.[5] The Skull later temporarily brainwashed three of the Invaders into serving him.[6] The Red Skull and Captain America continued to engage in a series of skirmishes throughout the war,[7] ending with a final battle that left the Skull buried under the rubble of a bombed building.[8] Exposed to an experimental gas as the building collapsed, he remained there in suspended animation for decades along with a couple of henchmen. I'm confused. So he has a number of different stories then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEVILMURRAY Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 I'm confused. So he has a number of different stories then. Welcome to the Marvel Universe. Where everyone has a different past, present and future in each issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Welcome to the Marvel Universe. Where everyone has a different past, present and future in each issue!So it seems! :p He's an incredibly convoluted badguy- he's several clones and psychic hosts past his original body so he may have originally worn a mask but it's certainly a real face at this point. Or was. I think Brubaker killed him off pretty thoroughly not so long ago.This is the orginal version of him though, so surely it would have made sense for this it to have been a propaganda mask at this point, and then if brought back for a Cap.A/Avengers sequel, made it so that at some point it became so that he couldn't take it off or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Well I dont think it really matters anyway, things are changed all the time in the movie universes. Plus as we already said, he looks awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Welcome to the Marvel Universe. Where everyone has a different past, present and future in each issue! And this is exactly the reason I've never been able to get into comics despite wanting to ... ¬_¬ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Dare Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 So it seems! :p This is the orginal version of him though, so surely it would have made sense for this it to have been a propaganda mask at this point, and then if brought back for a Cap.A/Avengers sequel, made it so that at some point it became so that he couldn't take it off or something. Generally speaking though, it's the latest characterisation that makes it in to the movies. I mean, if we're talking originals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairdriver Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 And this is exactly the reason I've never been able to get into comics despite wanting to ... ¬_¬ I don't get why people get so hung up about nitpicky concerns about continuity though. You're reading an issue or an arc, not the whole 50 years history of the character. Reading a Wikipedia article is totally different from reading a comic book. Some of the things quoted in Wikipedia articles will have been mentioned once or twice in passing in dialogue to add depth to an issue, and were never intended to be immortalised forever in the character's bio. I mean, in the modern age of comics where the majority of things written are actually of quality, if a writer makes a change to a character's history, it's usually for the better. I'm thinking of things like fans getting hung up by Grant Morrisson characterizing Emma Frost to speak with Queen's English dialect in New X-Men despite the fact she's through-and-through American. It adds so much, and works with the rest of the comic arc. And surely if you're allowing inter-dimension time travel and mind control, why does something that is largely irrelevent cause issue? If it makes you happier, we can all pretend its due to a hex-shift by Scarlet Witch. With regards to Red Skull, presumably at some point in his history the author thought it would be more fearsome to have it be his real face? Maybe the author stated explicitly it was his real face. Maybe the author was lying? Maybe he made a deal with Mephisto to change his face to the mask? Maybe that issue was set in an alternate reality? Deal with it. It's a form of entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Deal with it. It's a form of entertainment. Seriously, though, it's not that I'm in any way bothered by continuity, it's that there are innumerable amounts of comics that all offer different takes and continuities, retcons, etc. All I'm saying is that it can be quite overwhelming for a noob who wants to get into comics. Even many comic book geeks acknowledge this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Its not nearly as hard to get into as people think. Basically you just find a book that you think seems interesting and start reading it. Then gradually you will just find things out about their history, either in the book itself or you may look it up yourself. For a lot of books its actually not that necessary to know backstories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paj! Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Yeah...that's how EVERYONE starts reading comics really. (Except Chair, who presumably gained most of his comic knowledge via Heroclix - btu same difference really) I started the "real" X-Men comics when I was 8. I'd never seen Psylocke or Boom-Boom (never saw them in the 90's cartoon at that point) before, yet the first scene starts right in the middle of story where the X-Men are keeping Sabretooth in the mansion to rehabilitate him, only for Boom Boom to accidentally free him and Psylock be savagely attacked. Comics tend to fill in bits of story in the dialogue specifically to tell people what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 You're still missing the point, guys. I'm talking about the psychological barrier (which seems like such an overblown term, but it's the most fitting), not the actual action of picking up a comic book and reading it. It's not the comics themselves that seem hard to get into, it's the world of comics. You follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) Deal with it. It's a form of entertainment.Can you stop saying "deal with it" as though it's some big problem everyone else is struggling to get over and which you can get past. No one actually cares that much! It's just a discussion, if everyone just moved past everything, the forum would look pretty bleak! It's not a problem that characters have different character arcs/are different under different writters. But it's fun to speculate as to how they are doing it for the film, which approach they are taking etc... Edited February 15, 2011 by Retro_Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddage Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Can you stop saying "deal with it" as though it's some big problem everyone else is struggling to get over and which you can get past. It's a discussion, if everyone just moved past everything, the forum would look pretty bleak! It's not a problem that characters have different character arcs/are different under different writters. But it's fun to speculate as to how they are doing it for the film, which approach they are taking etc... Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paj! Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Can you stop saying "deal with it" as though it's some big problem everyone else is struggling to get over and which you can get past. No one actually cares that much! "Deal with it" in Chairmeenah/Pajdriver lingo doesn't have the angry/forceful connotation it does normally. It's more like "Let's just all accept this fact". We can often be heard saying "I'm dealing with it", or "I'm dealing with the fact" etc. Usually. :awesome: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Dare Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I don't get why people get so hung up about nitpicky concerns about continuity though. You're reading an issue or an arc, not the whole 50 years history of the character. Reading a Wikipedia article is totally different from reading a comic book. Some of the things quoted in Wikipedia articles will have been mentioned once or twice in passing in dialogue to add depth to an issue, and were never intended to be immortalised forever in the character's bio. I mean, in the modern age of comics where the majority of things written are actually of quality, if a writer makes a change to a character's history, it's usually for the better. I'm thinking of things like fans getting hung up by Grant Morrisson characterizing Emma Frost to speak with Queen's English dialect in New X-Men despite the fact she's through-and-through American. It adds so much, and works with the rest of the comic arc. And surely if you're allowing inter-dimension time travel and mind control, why does something that is largely irrelevent cause issue? If it makes you happier, we can all pretend its due to a hex-shift by Scarlet Witch. With regards to Red Skull, presumably at some point in his history the author thought it would be more fearsome to have it be his real face? Maybe the author stated explicitly it was his real face. Maybe the author was lying? Maybe he made a deal with Mephisto to change his face to the mask? Maybe that issue was set in an alternate reality? Deal with it. It's a form of entertainment. I'm...almost sure she's English. Have I been wrong all this time!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paj! Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I'm...almost sure she's English. Have I been wrong all this time!? She's from Boston. You FLOP fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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