flameboy Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 I don't get all these people who say they should trying to save the PSP or its a failure face it. It's still sold 50 million units worldwide how is that a failure by any stretch of the imagination?!!! The DS has only been such a success because it has entered the "casual" market, much like they have with Wii, the problem of getting into this market isn't unique to Sony its something Microsoft have struggled to get into as well.. Fact is PSP has lasted far longer than any of the handheld competitors have and it does have some great games. Its major problem initially was people trying to copy console experiences on the handheld when the titles that remember they are on a portable console are amongst the best there is...I don't think Sony have been as good as a 1st Party developer on PSP either tbh.
Gizmo Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 No Different to Nintendo's constant regurgitating of the Gameboy and Gameboy Advance and DS for that matter... Gameboy > Gameboy Pocket GBA > GBA SP > GBA Micro DS > DS Lite > DSi PSP > PSP2k > PSP3k > PSP Go For one thing its an additional hardware change. Secondly, its less than a year since PSP3k.
dwarf Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Well it's not a failure but it could do so much better. I don't think people like the sound of 'Playstation' anymore. They'll think of it as an expensive games machine for more nerdish people. REBRAND IT!
Daft Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 Gameboy > Gameboy Pocket GBA > GBA SP > GBA Micro DS > DS Lite > DSi PSP > PSP2k > PSP3k > PSP Go For one thing its an additional hardware change. Secondly, its less than a year since PSP3k. Yeah but all Nintendo's changes have been massively redesigned. This is the first PSP that looks noticeably different. It's the iPod model. I buy an iPod every few years. I guess if you've stuck with the first iPod you bought then this does suck.
flameboy Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Gameboy > Gameboy Pocket GBA > GBA SP > GBA Micro DS > DS Lite > DSi PSP > PSP2k > PSP3k > PSP Go For one thing its an additional hardware change. Secondly, its less than a year since PSP3k. Your Gameboy one is wrong for starters; Gameboy > Gameboy Light > Gameboy Pocket > Gameboy Colour (Ok Gameboy Light was japanese only but a hardware revision none the less) It's six and two threes anyway, to blame Sony for re-releasing hardware isn't right when a precedent was set long before they entered the handheld market.
Jon Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 I don't get all these people who say they should trying to save the PSP or its a failure face it. It's still sold 50 million units worldwide how is that a failure by any stretch of the imagination?!!! The DS has only been such a success because it has entered the "casual" market, much like they have with Wii, the problem of getting into this market isn't unique to Sony its something Microsoft have struggled to get into as well.. Fact is PSP has lasted far longer than any of the handheld competitors have and it does have some great games. Its major problem initially was people trying to copy console experiences on the handheld when the titles that remember they are on a portable console are amongst the best there is...I don't think Sony have been as good as a 1st Party developer on PSP either tbh. Why do people continue trying to belittle the success of the DS. Bottom-line, it far outsells the PSP regardless of what it does and what it can do. I hate Nintendo.
Daft Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 Gran Turismo, LittleBigPlanet, Jak & Daxter, Metal Gear Solid, Assassin's Creed, Motorstorm, Rock Band. That is quite an impressive little relaunch. Why do people continue trying to belittle the success of the DS. Bottom-line, it far outsells the PSP regardless of what it does and what it can do. I hate Nintendo. I don't think anyone's belittling its success but the casual market is part of its success. It's not a bad thing.
Jon Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Gran Turismo, LittleBigPlanet, Jak & Daxter, Metal Gear Solid, Assassin's Creed, Motorstorm, Rock Band. That is quite an impressive little relaunch. I don't think anyone's belittling its success but the casual market is part of its success. It's not a bad thing. It's the constant excuses Sony fans roll out though. It's only sold so much because it's made for casual gaming. It might have a lot of casual games, but there are far more harcore games on the DS that I would play over the PSP. And I hate Nintendo.
flameboy Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Why do people continue trying to belittle the success of the DS. Bottom-line, it far outsells the PSP regardless of what it does and what it can do. I hate Nintendo. I'm not belittling Nintendo just without the casual market in my opinion the DS would nothing more than a curiosity. It's been mixture of luck and very clever marketing that have created this new market. Without it the DS would remain the third pillar it was originally and be this strange janky thing people go to play something different. Gran Turismo, LittleBigPlanet, Jak & Daxter, Metal Gear Solid, Assassin's Creed, Motorstorm, Rock Band. That is quite an impressive little relaunch. I don't think anyone's belittling its success but the casual market is part of its success. It's not a bad thing. Yeag agreed that is a pretty good relaunch, although not sure Rock Band is actually that good lol! Tried the demo and wasn't impressed but its approach to translating the gameplay to a handheld is far more interesting than slapping some plastic coloured buttons onto the side of the console (Guitar Hero on DS)
Jon Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 I'm actually quite looking forward to the Sony conference, i'd be happier than most if the PSP re-launch went well. I've always liked it but the software has never been continually strong. As Daft said above, the upcoming titles look very promising.
Sheikah Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Their first job was to phase out the rampant piracy and I think the 3000 has done a pretty good job (not sure a viable hack has happened) and that should carry on with the Go. Ha, I'm pretty sure a Pandora battery can downgrade any version and allow custom firmware. Plus, the fact that no one who already has custom firmware will do a Sony upgrade because they are not stupid means that anything Sony do is useless. The PSP, IMO, is useless for anything but custom firmware. The whole thing a shambles, really. It's like a PS2 on the go which is frigging useless, because people don't want such hardcore games to be mobile. That's why the DS excels in popularity and sales among both soft and hardcore gamers. I've hardly ever used my PSP; it's literally a paperweight on my shelf. But when I have used it, it's for custom firmware things like PS1 emulation. Yeah, it has 50 million sales, but without custom firmware I doubt it'd be as much as that. The PSP actually annoys me in the sense that titles that could have gone to PS3 and have been done far better (Crisis Core) went to the PSP instead.
Daft Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 Yeag agreed that is a pretty good relaunch, although not sure Rock Band is actually that good lol! Tried the demo and wasn't impressed but its approach to translating the gameplay to a handheld is far more interesting than slapping some plastic coloured buttons onto the side of the console (Guitar Hero on DS) Ah well. I guess with Rock Band you really want the instruments. Also forgot Soul Calibur, which is high on my list.
Jon Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 But Rockband has 3 Doors Down - Kryptonite. I will buy the new PSP just for that
Daft Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 Ha, I'm pretty sure a Pandora battery can downgrade any version and allow custom firmware. Plus, the fact that no one who already has custom firmware will do a Sony upgrade because they are not stupid means that anything Sony do is useless. No replaceable batter on this one. Has the 3000 really been hacked? I guess it's been almost a year.
dwarf Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Motorstorm: Arctic Edge is going to be an awesome PSP game. Pacific Rift is awesome on PS3 and I think racers tend to translate well on handhelds, and I'm a big fan of Motorstorm, so it should be a great game. Will there be trophies on PSP Go?
Guest Captain Falcon Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 (edited) Your Gameboy one is wrong for starters; Gameboy > Gameboy Light > Gameboy Pocket > Gameboy Colour (Ok Gameboy Light was japanese only but a hardware revision none the less) It's six and two threes anyway, to blame Sony for re-releasing hardware isn't right when a precedent was set long before they entered the handheld market. But the time between revisions on the original GameBoy line was a bit more generous then the yearly updates being seen here. And each version was still fully compatible with the all the software released for the system up until that point. Unless Sony offer a trade in scheme whereby you can send them your UMDs and they then allow you to download the game for free again from their online store, the incentive to upgrade isn't that great if you can't afford to keep both your original and get the new one. Now personally, I'm not a fan of the idea of constant hardware revision - that being one of the reasons why I didn't pick up the original DS, but saying it's ok because of a precedent that has already been laid down isn't the most convincing argument I've heard. 50 Million sales is an impressive number by anyone's reckoning. But whilst other companies who have tried to compete with Nintendo in this segment have got nowhere near that number, part of the reason is that they didn't have he financial muscle of Sony or the strength of an pre-existing brand. Saying that the DS is only doing so well is only because it appeals to the "causal market" is a bit cheap when you consider the success of the the Gameboy lines that have come before. They had just as many games that appealed to the masses and that's why they sold - Tetris is the embodiment of a casual game. The only difference is that we now have a label for it. Sony told gamers that they wanted PS2 games on the go and then they gave it to them since they believed what they were being told. And when they got it, they realized that it wasn't what they wanted after all and thus found new uses for them their system. They kept on selling them, just not selling the games. Piracy has long been rampant on Nintendo's portables as well, so lets not use that as an excuse as to why all the numbers don't add up. Edited May 31, 2009 by Captain Falcon
dwarf Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 I think a large part of the problem is the hidden economy where money is exchanged for second hand hardware and software. I know that I wouldn't pay for a new PSP 3000 or pay full price on games for it - so a lot of money is being lost in this area. On the other hand I would not buy a DS second hand because there would likely be problems with the touchscreen, and I can't complain about the game prices - mostly £20- new.
S.C.G Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Mmmm... I think if they are gonna do the digital only software thing then they should do it properly, any titles that launched alongside the first PSP should be less than £5 or maybe even give a few away, then you have games like God of War which while newer have been around for a while now so I'm thinking around £10 - £12 mark for those but any new games should be £16 - £18 max Imo because if they are cutting out UMD's then the consumer should be getting the games significantly cheaper than the retail counterparts. I was reluctant to buy any games when I owned a PSP and as a result only had like two or three which I sold in the end anyway, so personaly I would be even less inclined to pay very much at all for a digital version - even though I prefer this method for PSP games - which will inevitably be unplayable somewhere down the line unless they make all of their future handhelds fully compatible with all PSP digitally downloaded games.
S.C.G Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 I still maintian that digital versions of PSP games should be cheaper, and the really old titles should be sold for only a few quid / one or two given away as a gesture for buying the console in the first place.
dwarf Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 So let's say the games on the store are cheap and the line-up is good (which I think it will be) and the price was good for you. Who here would get one in the first month? I would definetly if it was priced at £150.
flameboy Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 So let's say the games on the store are cheap and the line-up is good (which I think it will be) and the price was good for you.Who here would get one in the first month? I would definetly if it was priced at £150. No...I've only had my PSP 3000 less than a year and its likely can still reap the benefits of the new emphasis on downloads via memory cards then I have no reason to upgrade. Plus I have a ton of UMD games so wheres the incentive. I don't think Sony will offer stuff that cheap, look at the line up at the moment its all retail priced...a few things have been reduced since they went on PSN but they are few and fair between, I think the real benefits of this will be more itunes app style games.
Aimless Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 I've a revolutionary suggestion: if you don't want a Go then don't buy one. This is especially true for those that already own an iteration of the PSP; this isn't a DSi situation, all models have access to the Store. Functionality wise seemingly the only real difference between this new machine and older models is Bluetooth support. The Go isn't a successor, it's a device aimed at rekindling consumer and developer interest, interest that is just as advantageous to existing customers as new ones; more games will come out, Sony will no doubt push to transpose the success of cheaper PSN games on the PS3, and to reap the benefits all people need do is upgrade their firmware. Oh, I fully expect PSP games to adopt Trophies but who knows when that'll be. Common sense would suggest that all post-Go games would support them, but logic and anything involving servers don't tend to go hand in hand.
Dante Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Look at Japan where games like monster hunter are huge, In Europe games like Tekken are huge.At launch of PSP you had people right here claiming it would fail etc. because it was too powerful and expensive. I remember it was the DS that people were claming it would fail.
flameboy Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 A lot of sites having quotes such as; link it to your cell phone, will this be purely for file transfers or would it possible to use a phones 3G for downloading stuff to the PSP. Just a thought, cos likely the 3G tech would be more expensive to put in than Bluetooth...
Daft Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 So let's say the games on the store are cheap and the line-up is good (which I think it will be) and the price was good for you.Who here would get one in the first month? I would definetly if it was priced at £150. I've been itching to get a PSP for a while. Just been waiting for them to drop the UMD. Basically I've been waiting for this so it's a day 1 purchase for me. I've a revolutionary suggestion: if you don't want a Go then don't buy one. We'll have none of that logic here!! will this be purely for file transfers or would it possible to use a phones 3G for downloading stuff to the PSP. Just a thought, cos likely the 3G tech would be more expensive to put in than Bluetooth... If it did that, that'd be amazing. Is it actually possible for any device to basically piggyback on a mobile through Bluetooth to get 3G?
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