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I think he knows what he said. You're a flaky one Cube. Smeagol why are you voting Dedede? Mr-paul says he knows Dedede was roleblocked. Dedede says he was roleblocked. So if Dedede is a redirector (seems odd for him to say he is one if he isn't given they are suspicious) then he isn't the redirector that Magnus says sent him somewhere. So according to Magnus there is another redirector who (if town) has not come forward to damn Dedede! Making it likely that if there is another redirector out there then they are Maf. Or Magnus is lying. And Magnus gave the most wishy washy targets/info.

No way... Magnus claims he was redirected Dedede was roleblocked, and it's unusual to falseclaim redirector If Magnus was redirected by town surely they'd speak up to damn Dedede Either Magnus is lying (seems more and more likely by the minute) or there is a scum redirector who isn't Dedede. Lynch Magnus to find out.

It would be terrible for this day to end without a lynch. Now that esequiel has been put out as a suspect and he probably roleblocked Dedede, as well as Magnus claiming to have been redirected, Dedede loses a lot of heat. Magnus has the most wishy washy result from N2. Magnus flip to Mafia would highlight a good few allegiances here as well as prove Dedede's innocence. Get to it everyone. Not heard much from you but seen you browsing @MoogleViper

He say what? This info is already known. Come on, let's lynch Magnus

Uh oh. So you don't have any info on people is what you're saying?

I want a townie to be as powerful as possible, in this game at least. And following logic it would suggest Dedede is town. No way should anyone feel a shred of guilt voting Magnus given he has ignored requests for a full reveal.

Why not just answer my last post?

Ok then, if you don't want me to think you're lying (bearing in mind you were close to lynching Dedede who now seems a bad choice) - what do you do?

You mean redirected by the town redirector? If you were redirected by a town redirector then I would expect them to come out to damn Dedede, since the chances of two town redirectors are probably negligible. So it seems pretty clear you're either lying, or were redirected by a scum redirector (who probably isn't Dedede since he was likely roleblocked).

It's a shame though that I couldn't really communicate well with people. Think I will wait and see if this ever makes it.

Because by your own deduction, if there was another town redirector that sent Magnus somewhere, he'd have come out by now to damn Dedede. So lynching Dedede right now seems pretty unwise. But by that logic that means Dedede IS a mafia redirector then (since he came out with it). So to follow on from that - this means Magnus was redirected by (probably) a town redirector since scummy Dedede was probably roleblocked. Yet we haven't heard from the town redirector yet! Hark, the alarm bells tell me that situation is unlikely! I say we vote Magnus, if he dies and was town (and wasn't lying about redirection) then at least we didn't waste a town redirector to find out the same thing. Town redirectors are valuable.

Yeah, I have both and it's a major improvement. It's much snappier. The old one could get pretty slow but this one is butter smooth.

Then one of the following situations is most likely: 1. The redirector Magnus speaks of does not exist (he lied) 2. Magnus was redirected by a Mafia redirector. As Dedede was likely roleblocked, and admitting to be a redirector when you aren't is odd play for a Mafioso, we can probably assume Dedede is a town redirector. Because as you say, if there was a town redirector out there that redirected Magnus, he'd have come out by now to damn Dedede. Magnus lynch will tell us which is true. It will give us information.

Exactly. Think about it - if Dedede is scum, how likely is he to 'make up' that he is a redirector? It's undoubtedly quite often a scummy role. He might be scum and telling the truth about being a redirector to avoid troubles coming up with targets/actions later, or he may be town and telling the truth. But being scum and making up that he's a redirector? Possible, just seems rather unlikely. If we go by the assumption (for now, for the sake of ease) that Dedede is a redirector, either: 1. Dedede is a Mafia redirector. There's a decent chance he was actually roleblocked, so if Magnus was redirected, it was probably by a townie/neutral. In this circumstance, you would expect Magnus to be saved close to lynch. 2. Dedede is a town redirector. Since there's a decent chance Dedede was roleblocked, Magnus was either 1) lying about being redirected, or 2) redirected by a Mafia redirector (some who isn't Dedede). Now going on the assumption that Dedede WAS mafia (since you were all trying to lynch him), automatically option 2 in this little set of circumstances does not exist - because you are saying 'I think Dedede is Mafia' by voting. Of course, if Magnus flips town on lynch and no one has come to save him then that sucks for him, but at least we haven't erroneously stuck up Dedede, who could be pretty damn useful as a redirector to town.

Let me know how 'English' it seems. I remember the beta being a bit disappointing since I couldn't really understand much (although it looked good). Really wish they would hurry up with the EUR/USA releases.

You realise that the plan allows for the town redirector (should he exist) to step in and save Magnus? Rather than your gut feeling.

You just completely ignored the post I made, which laid out very clearly and logically why I think we should vote for Magnus. Some people.

I think they should borrow some ideas from the PS Triple.

Don't people think the Mafia would be more likely to be set on a lynch today given they failed to kill? I think they would, to level the playing field. It would be very easy (if Dedede is not Mafia) for Mafiosos to play the competent townie - accusing anyone who hasn't joined the lynch train and accuse them of vote splitting. Anyone confused about why I'm suggesting we vote Magnus (it's actually quite simple): - Dedede claims redirector. Both Dedede himself and esequiel claim Dedede was roleblocked. So he probably didn't redirect last night. - Magnus claims to have been redirected. Assumption: There are 2 redirectors Outcomes from lynching Magnus: 1. Magnus flips Mafia. Magnus was therefore probably lying about being redirected. Or he was redirected by a townie/neutral - at this point, we would expect them to come forward. If they don't come forward, it is likely he was lying. Mafia probably aren't going to redirect their own, although they may say they did to try look town. Unlikely though. 2. Magnus flips town. Therefore he was probably telling the truth. At this point, if there is a town redirector should come forward - if they do (and can provide verifiable targets), we lynch Dedede. Obviously if this doesn't happen, we assume that he was redirected by a Mafioso 3. Neutral flips - lulz. Reason why I propose a Magnus lynch over Dedede: It's simple, really. As well as Magnus's slightly off behaviour, Dedede was very probably roleblocked last night. IF we assume that Dedede is Mafia (which we effectively are doing by putting him up for lynch), then it reasons that Magnus was probably redirected by a town redirector. When the lynch on Magnus draws near, we would expect this town redirector (should they exist) to interject to stop a wrong lynch. It's the most safe, information rewarding thing we can do. I hope people can actually see that in time.

Damn, both this and PSO2. What is it with Japan and not releasing MMOs in the west?

I'll tell you what the Wii U needs. Chad Warden.

It could also be that the killer targeted someone who was protected Dedede is claiming to be a redirector (who was roleblocked, which has been somewhat confirmed), and Magnus says he was redirected on the same night. Providing they are telling the truth, it reasons there are 2 different redirectors. Even if one isn't telling the truth, then that lie is indicative of Mafia anyway. I personally think if the Mafia had a redirector they'd probably use them to redirect. I'm less sure that they'd send them to do the kill, which makes Dedede a little less suspicious in my eyes. I'll Vote: Magnus Peterson based on the way he has acted. If he flips town then I'll be voting Dedede.

How can you be certain of that? The only way you can be certain of that is if your target will know it was probably you that caused something that they know happened to them. Which immediately makes me think you're the other roleblocker.

Well I am suspicious of him based on the above. I asked Dedede on D2 what he did on N1 since he seemed a bit shifty. In actual fact I had nothing actually on him, but I can see how he might have thought asking him who he targeted could have been a chance to catch him out lying. So he may have felt forced to admit to targeting Rummy (then deceased). Then he also gets roleblocked on a night when there was no kill. However...the confession of redirector seems a bit odd. Supposing he is a Mafia redirector, it seems highly odd to me that they would use their redirector 2 nights in a row to kill. I've always considered redirection to be one of the Mafia's most useful tools. Of course, it could be he isn't a redirector, but that seems kind of an odd thing to do given they are often scum associated. Tough call, I want some more thoughts on this before I get on board.

I urge everyone to vote @Diageo purely out of lack of co-operation. Saying you're too busy to give anything (even 'successful' or a target name) while in the process typing War and Peace is more than a little ridiculous. Vote: Diageo