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Yeah Vote: Cube @Mr\-Paul and @ReZourceman

I'll go down for Wednesday please. Not gonna be around most likely on Tue this week.

Thanks. Remove Vote For anyone wanting to do a bit of reading in the morning who hasn't said anything yet, the gist of last night is this: - Cube claims to have tried to kill Yvonne with a one shot vigilante kill power on account of suspecting him - I succesfully switched Jonnas with Yvonne; Jonnas was killed, presumably in place of Yvonne. - Cube claims Mafia must have been stopped from carrying out their kill since only his kill appears to have happened. If, hypothetically, we assume Cube to be telling the truth, that would mean that Mafia failed to kill somehow. However, so far only Yvonne appears to have been capable of stopping a kill (with protection; he claimed to protect me). Naturally, if he was the one that stopped the Mafia's kill then it doesn't make sense that he was the killer. Let's look at what people did last night: I switched Jonnas with Yvonne. I could not stop a kill, but I could redirect it (which I did...to Jonnas) Peeps did...something. What did you do @Mr\-Paul did...? @Cube claims to have done a kill So far, only Yvonne's action appears to have had 'kill stopping power'. Unless a townie comes forward to say they did something that could have stopped a kill, it looks bad for Cube. What is not in contention is that Yvonne was a target to be killed (since he was switched with Jonnas). That in itself suggests one of two things: Cube is telling the truth (he tried to kill Yvonne with a townie vigilante kill) or Yvonne was targeted for kill by the Mafia. Note: it is impossible that Mafia's 'also' killed Jonnas (ie. explaining only one kill) if we believe Yvonne to be scum. The only way they would have reached Jonnas is if they targeted Yvonne for kill. If Yvonne was protected by any power, that power would have gone to Jonnas due to the target switch, and Jonnas wouldn't have died. Thus: Yvonne did not protect himself, nor was he protected by anyone else (lending credibility at least to the possibility that he protected me instead, like he said). It's possible that Yvonne protected another member of the scumteam though, but how their kill would have been stopped is a mystery right now. I propose that if nobody confesses to doing anything potentially kill-stoppy then we lynch Cube later on.

How about voting you? Vote: Peeps Seriously, Cube claims someone boosted him and that would lend him credibility. Knowing whether you're that guy or what you've been doing all these nights would actually be useful to help us work out what the hell is going on.

The only person remaining that we know could stop a kill last night is Yvonne with protection. If someone else who is town can protect or roleblock then speak up now. @Mr\-Paul you are responsible for the blurb in the writeup, correct? What else can you do?

Right, well the only person we still don't know anything about is @The Peeps. We are far along enough and I'm fed up of the secrecy, so I would like to hear what you do and what your targets have been so far. Withholding at this point will basically be a massive red flag to me.

Sorry but I'm not buying it. You had the chance to read two people's PMs but instead you chose a kill based on logic that has already pretty much been disproven (we have supposedly more than 2 roleblockers this game). As proposed before, it's possible that Yvonne and Animal carried out the same roles but on alternating nights. You must have known that you would only get to kill one person as you must have submitted only one target to kill. Saying you had a good possibility of being reversed tracked is nonsense as calling out for someone to do something to you in this game is almost a surefire way of them not actually doing it. Given most people assume everyone could be Mafia, if someone is asking you to target them then it almost certainly feels like there is a catch or deception going on. In fact, what would tracking you even prove? That you killed someone? That's not in question - purely your alignment. Wasting your kill on a hunch to try to kill Yvonne was pretty silly tbh, especially as he is supposed to be a protector and has chosen to protect himself previously, and was due to use protection that night. I'd be more willing to kill you based on bad reasoning and poor actions, then possibly follow through with a Yvonne kill, than vice versa. What say you @EEVILMURRAY? I know you weren't particularly enamoured with Cube either.

@Cube all of your information bar the ReZ result is already known. What information do you have to say Yvonne is guilty? Also you said yesterday - So you said you could use your power twice, but didn't. This is all sounding a bit like BS to be honest.

@Cube what are your abilities and targets so far

Ok, so then he might not be town if Cube is to be believed.

Keep up, check what I posted then say who you targeted.

Yvonne is town. I switched Yvonne and Jonnas last night, thinking the Mafia would try kill Jonnas.

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Just messing, enjoy.

Roleblocking and protecting yourself are different things though. The chances are, and based on past experiences, the PMs would be different. We should be basing our actions on what is most probable.

Admitting every possibility doesn't get us anywhere. Ultimately, you may be right or I may be right. But we're not going to know by doing nothing about it, and I can see this shit dragging into tomorrow if we don't act now. Interesting that Yvonne can also block people from tracking (if you're the one that was blocked). I'd be disappointed if people got the exact same message from targeting a protected Animal as being roleblocked by him. Would make it difficult for town and I'm not aware of a game where people got the exact same flavour for different actions.

Xur is just selling a load of shit today. Plan C? Woop de do.

So you remove your vote to consider this? Come on. It's looking like you're desperately trying to find any excuse to keep him in the game. "If" this and "if" that. So "if" Animal protected himself you're saying that Jimbob could also be tasered for targeting him - what, a protection that protects against alignment investigations? Uh oh, that's suddenly sounding quite scummy, isn't it? But oh, wait - Animal doesn't do tasering, remember? Never mind that when Animal admitted to trying to roleblock me, he got redirected to Peeps and he said he was tasered. Tasered following Animal been sent to him after trying to roleblock. Calling for someone to investigate Jimbob to confirm his power smells a bit like bullshit. It would be pretty damn stupid to make up given a town cop could refute it...and Jimbob is not usually one to lie so dramatically, either. Let's stop considering the outside bets and go with what we can't ignore. Regardless of outcome right now, if he stays it's only going to cause all the talk and action focus to be on him, plus he should supposedly be roleblocking tonight. No rewards for guessing who that might be! I switched you and Peeps. That means that rather than targeting yourself (if that is what you're saying) you targeted Peeps. However it's odd that you would find only you targeted Peeps, since naturally to have gone to the person that your target was switched with (by me), I had to target 2 people to switch. And to reiterate, I switched you and Peeps as I didn't trust Peeps but trusted you, and wanted to prevent any possible kill/bad action on you.

It begins. You've spent the last pages of the topic with your vote down bit arguing his case. It's like you were never voting him. I find it ridiculous that given the information we have that you have removed vote.

Not at all. Unlike me you claim to have spent the game protecting your ass and saying you didn't trust anybody. Not our fault you didn't put time into reaching conclusions about who to trust and becoming a team player. In fact by trying to roleblock me you are making things worse. So forgive me if I've no tear to dab. I certainly wouldn't say there's pot kettle black here - you were linked to Peeps' roleblocking, who said himself said was tasered - the same as Jimbob. When you are up against such scrutiny you need to reveal. I can criticise people who want me to similarly reveal when I already laid good hints (not 'it can't be confirmed' like you basically said) and when I'm not being linked to a scummy occurrence. Different situations, different expectations.

I actually have no clue why you keep saying this. Most people don't know what the PM flavour will be on their targets when they use their actions on people. Why do you keep saying this as a defence? I don't know the specifics of the PMs people receive when I switch them. You know what, I am going to say, the level of passion in your response is making me question it, because I wouldn't think you'd go so far to protest your innocence. You seem genuinely angry, which makes me think I might be wrong. But at the same time, the evidence of having redirected you to Peeps and him getting the same message as the cop is hard to ignore. Hopefully if your lynch is wrong then at least I will have someone else to look at. It's just a shame you never actually protected any of us (like, you know, the cop) to help change my mind.

You keep saying this but where is the validation that he is a protector?

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