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I am happy with mine. Various reasons for this. Firstly, I am happy with the games with Wii remote. I know it'll get better, but for now I'm happy to experience the controls at my own home. Secondly, in principle I am happy that I have Wii. I agree with Nintendo's direction and having Wii is my way of showing support for the cause. Finally, I love seeing bits and bobs appear like VC games, Weather and News channels etc. I see its evolution and progression. I enjoy keeping up with these changes in real-time. I know Wii is onto something and I'm happy to be a part of that history, live as it happens.

Personally, I think it's just the way it comes across. Disliking it is different from faulting it. One is an opinion, the other is technical. As I remarked before this whole thing reminds me of when PC games first brought in keyboard + mouse controls for FPS. It was criticized to high heaven by many back then. Now it's a part of "common sense" in PC gaming.

In the end all it is is that Wii has yet to get a proper, exciting online game. Pages of criticisms seem a little over the top to me. Nintendo is behind in this way, but PC is the pioneers in online interactivity. All consoles have some way to go to catch up, you can construct any criticism for any of them by putting on a spin. Also, expect to see Gates and Moore do more Nintendo bashing once Sony goes further down the pit - they have no need for Wii60 once Sony is heavily disadvantaged.

lol that's cool. Personally (for the first time in my console history) I REQUIRE the screen to be big enough (I'd say 19 inch upward) for Wii controls, but nice engineering.

We do need those low wage workers though. They are what pushes up the higher layers. That's the irony of it. Contrary to them "taking our jobs", Britain actually need them to get the grassroots economy in motion. I read the other day that apparently in Japan they looked at what we're doing and are also considering increasing foreign workers to boost the grassroots economy. That puts Britain into perspective, doesn't it?

I'm not sure if I fully follow you, ZeldaFreak. In business terms, a more profitable path is exactly that - more profitable. If developing for ps3/360 is that worth your while, you would develop for it in the first place "to raise money" because it's more efficient. Any loss making or defficient platform would be dropped or less supported in a long run. GameCube went through that phase last gen. There has to be an external influence for most big businesses to go off that track - for instance if MS approached a Nintendo supporter with a vast sum of cash to change their mind - that would be something else and often unpredictable. But I believe you were speaking more in general terms.

Some people used certain words with ill intention. That tainted those words. So the others also had to stop using those words. Eventually that became the "standard" of what you can and can't say. I don't like it, but it's a practical solution to a complex problem. You are dealing with what people intended or meant, which requires a perfect lie-detector to prove. You can call people racial names and then claim that you didn't mean anything bad, when in reality you did. It takes one such person to ruin it all for the rest of us. It's the world we live in I'm afraid.

solitanze, I partly agree and disagree with that. I agree that it's still early days and we can't project what we have onto the future and say future is set. We have to be patient, as you say. With such a drastic change of interface (wii remote), each company will need to accumulate experience developping games for Wii. This includes framework for programming. That's where I disagree a bit. I'm certainly thankful for certain devs of key launch titles (like red steel), who obviously worked hard with Nintendo to bring the game to Wii, but most others are money grabbers who want their share of profit that comes associated with a console launch. Particularly given the hype building up before the launch. One notable previous example of this was Tiger Woods golf on DS. EA just couldn't resist releasing that for DS launch. They rushed it and it was badly done but scored well enough to grab their share of the pie, as it benefits them to have a recognized brand on the shelf as early as possible.

That doesn't make sense as a business model though. If supporting Wii was an effective business model for them, there is no sense in "raising money" for any other business model. Each platform is supported on its business merit, unless passion mainly drove them to do otherwise (which is unlikely for those coorporate companies).

This debate has been reproduced so many times, hasn't it. As far back possibly as GDC. Someone obviously haven't kept up. I reckon someone will bring this back all over again in 3 months. And we'll have an identical exchange. Oh dejavu, captain. Someone should turn all this into a doc and redirect all related posts to it :wink:

I think your view is pretty logical. Why call this "I'll go against logic with this one"? It is mostly logical and that usually fits into people's common sense of the day. And, Nintendo has the habit of breaking away from such sense. Don't forget, it was Nintendo's NES that spread the home gaming against the so called "general opinion" at the time. Nintendo has done this before and DS is the most recent example. You can be right. But if anyone can prove you wrong, it's Nintendo. Against Nintendo you never know if you're right or wrong.

Sad story, but I'm afraid even my 13 year old sister would've known when to stop... Once upon a time there was this strange concept called "common sense". One day it drank too much water and died off the face of this planet.

lol. At £179 one possible worry is that the controllers may sell well but not the whole console package. There'd be a major Wii remote shortage, but only the remote. The annual sales figures would be a good laugh

Same here... in fact the "controls are aweful" put me off buying it for weeks. When I bought it, I was like "So... where's the awful controls...?". Personally Im used to PC FPS (mouse + keyboard). They're just too good and I could never get used to "joypad" FPS. Wii remote + nunchuck overcame this problem for me. Playing red steel doesn't feel that different from PC FPS games, but maybe it's partly a question of player's technical ability.

Yes, thats why Im seriously (still) considering importing the whole system. My best bet on getting more generic console style games is in the japan market I reckon.

So far I've fought off the urge to import the japanese blue dragon package... for the 2nd time. God it's soooo tempting... I might really import one by late march when I get somewhat more comfortable financially.

I have component cable... and have not experienced the mentioned jagginess. Wii did look jaggy before I set it to 480p from i though. but that isn't Red-Steel-specific.

Being as powerful as 360 is a totally differerent subject from having HD support. Many Hollywood film DVDs have already achieved greater quality on old TV sets than 360 on HDTV (just watch Star Wars and Lord of the Rings). Gaming's biggest problem is the real-time rendering power and physics simulation. Nothing to do with HDTV support.

I reckon MS's biggest weakness (in this regard) is that their riches are too well known, so sellers hold out for a blinding sum, which MS would not be prepared to pay. I think even a hostile take over would be unlikely without a crippling loss on MS's end when it comes to the likes of Capcom. I think it'd be cheaper to "buy off" exclusive titles off japanese devs (which is what MS should do. Blue Dragon is a great start).

I know a lot of you have been harping on about HD graphics, but you would've thought by next gen HD technology would be so cheap, it wouldn't even be anything to hype about?

The question for me is, will they ever make an expensive machine that's out of reach of the "general public"? If yes, then they could very well make a powerful machine around the software support and wii remote concept they establish with Wii. Nintendo has always said graphics is a secondary, so provided that innovation side stays they wouldn't mind high performance system as a secondary feature.

Talking of which, if I were to be absolutely honest, even PSP did blow my mind when I first saw it. The screen size and resolution seemed ridiculously good. Anyway as far as 360 goes I reckon there are some out there like me for whom Blue Dragon export can't come soon enough. In fact only a couple of weeks ago I fought off the urge to import Japan version of 360 + Blue Dragon package... Amazingly it works out to be cheaper than buying UK 360 + a full price game.

McMad, your dissatisfaction surprises me, except that more choice in sensitivity would be nice. I would like one between medium and high. AI doesn't hit me that much. but I do play well, hiding and moving as I take them out 1 by 1. It might just be that you aren't doing well, rather than game doing badly. Same with bodies/items appearing/disappearing, that has to be a perceptual problem. In fact it's such a trivial point relative to the overall merit of the gameplay, I hadn't even noticed till you pointed it out. Come to think of it, corpses don't pile up in Mario series either. I'm not defending the game, BTW - Red Steel is not a perfect game by any means. I'm simply boggled by the passage of thought behind the criticism. It seems to me that the "problems" you raise are not problems at the baseline - rather, they are made into problems by your perception.

It's a good decision as well. Most replies are either sarcasm taking the micky out of this thread or said tongue in cheek. This has rightly become a self-defeating thread and that just goes to show how well done Wii sports is. Much better than locking.

BTW one little (?) thing... sorry if this has been mentioned in earlier million pages here, but the japanese voice over sucks so bad they must have hired Uma Thurman for it. My acquired japanese may not be perfect but the badness is so fantastically clear it blew my pants off to outer space. And we've spent over a decade criticising them for exporting RPGs with weird, broken english translation. Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony. But, I guess the devs wanted to spend more money on innovation instead of other multimedia aspect, which is fair enough. On the balance of things they've done well for me. just need to plug my ears during cutscenes. £0.01 may be a little cheaper.