marcel Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 (is also posted tech forum) is optical out (on video cable) still possible on the Wii? i dont really bother if it will support dolby 5.1 or not but is it possible for nintendo to make an universal cable for Wii with an optical out (or analogue) without changing the specs of the Wii (wish is now impossible to change) thanks for answering marcel.
Dilli Gee Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 Optical out only makes much of a difference if your using a 5.1 source. As Wii isn't surround sound, and is only 2.0/2.1 (through DPLII ), it's unlikely we'll see an optical out plug ever. There would be no point. Systems like the PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360 and PS3 have full 5.1 support, that's why they have optical outs.
myster0n Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 Optical out only makes much of a difference if your using a 5.1 source. As Wii isn't surround sound, and is only 2.0/2.1 (through DPLII ), it's unlikely we'll see an optical out plug ever. There would be no point. Systems like the PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360 and PS3 have full 5.1 support, that's why they have optical outs. Did you ever look at what DPLII can do, or are you having too much fun badmouthing everything? Dolby Pro Logic II does 5.1
marcel Posted September 27, 2006 Author Posted September 27, 2006 i hope that nintendo makes an rgb scart with saparate audio out. and i think evryone will agree with me. and also the firmware is upgradble so they can inplant dolby 5.1.
blender Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 Did you ever look at what DPLII can do, or are you having too much fun badmouthing everything? Dolby Pro Logic II does 5.1 Though in essence he's right. Digital 5.1 needs to be transmited on a digital lead optical or coaxial to be decoded into 5.1 surrond. There wont be any appreciable improvement in DPLII by using an optical cable. DPL2 transmits as a 2.1/2.0 signal with extra information encoded to perk it up. An optical cable from a wii would transmit a 2.1/2.0 signal if it was possible - so would be a pretty pointless upgrade.
Dilli Gee Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 Did you ever look at what DPLII can do, or are you having too much fun badmouthing everything? Dolby Pro Logic II does 5.1 I badmouth what needs badmouthing. I do the same on other Xbox 360 and PS3 sites, and I get told "at least you sparked a debate" among other comments. I was commended for being an arse last week actually, on this very board. As for Dolby Pro Logic II doing 5.1, you know jack shit. DPLII converts non surround sound signals into surround ones, by using filters that auto-place parts of a sound signal into different speakers. There's no where near as high quality in sound as a 5.1 source direct.
xernobyl Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 I badmouth what needs badmouthing. I do the same on other Xbox 360 and PS3 sites, and I get told "at least you sparked a debate" among other comments. I was commended for being an arse last week actually, on this very board. As for Dolby Pro Logic II doing 5.1, you know jack shit. DPLII converts non surround sound signals into surround ones, by using filters that auto-place parts of a sound signal into different speakers. There's no where near as high quality in sound as a 5.1 source direct. That's slightly wrong. Dolby Pro Logic II can do true 5.1 surround sound.
Colin Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 That's slightly wrong. Dolby Pro Logic II can do true 5.1 surround sound. That's what I've always thought. Just analogue sound instead of digital.
myster0n Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 I badmouth what needs badmouthing. I do the same on other Xbox 360 and PS3 sites, and I get told "at least you sparked a debate" among other comments. I was commended for being an arse last week actually, on this very board. As for Dolby Pro Logic II doing 5.1, you know jack shit. DPLII converts non surround sound signals into surround ones, by using filters that auto-place parts of a sound signal into different speakers. There's no where near as high quality in sound as a 5.1 source direct. Yes, I know jack shit. How did you guess? Let me tell you about him : Jack is the son of Awe Schitt and O. Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Needeep N. Schitt Inc. They had one son, Jack. In turn Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt, the deeply religious couple produced 6 children : Holie Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Giva Schitt, Bull Schitt, and the twins: Deap Schitt and Dip Schitt. Against her parents' objections, Deap Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a high school drop out. However, after being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced. Noe Schitt later remarried Ted Sherlock and, because her kids were living with them, she wanted to keep her previous name.She was then known as Noe Schitt-Sherlock. Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt and they produced a son of nervous disposition, Chicken Schitt. Two other of the 6 children, Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt, were inseparable throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony.The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the Schitt-Happens wedding. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd, and Hoarse.Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt. Any relation of yours?
KingOfHyrule Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 That's slightly wrong. Dolby Pro Logic II can do true 5.1 surround sound. Yeah it was my understanding that if the material is actually coded in DPLII (ie Wii games), it's real 5.1 surround, not just artificial surround made up from a stereo signal.
Dilli Gee Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 No, DPLII games are 2.1 encoded titles that can be expanded into 5.1 games (it's not the same as actually being a 5.1 title). And obviously DPLII devices can output 5.1 surround, I was saying the source isn't 5.1 (as in where the sound is coming from). DPLII devices converts 2.1 surround INPUT into 5.1 surround OUTPUT (poorly in my opinion). If it's a title that's made for DPLII (like first party Nintendo titles), then what the system does is that it reverts it back into 5.1 sound. However the process leads to loss of sound quality.
Kaeporagaebora Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 I was commended for being an arse last week actually, on this very board. I'd call you that too, but I doubt I'd commend you for it. I'll admit I am less learned than you on the subject of DPLII. I'm not a very technical person, and I freely admit it. But I do know this: You won't be able to know for sure about any of this until the Wii is on store shelves. No matter what it can do, you won't know what it WILL do until you've got a Wiimote in your hand. So do me a favor and drop the "holier than thou" attitude. Because if the only reason you're here is to spark a debate, we're better off without you.
Hellfire Posted September 27, 2006 Posted September 27, 2006 "Dolby® Pro Logic® II technology processes any high quality stereo (two-channel) movie and music audio into five playback channels of full-bandwidth surround sound. A matrix surround decoding technology, Dolby Pro Logic II detects the directional cues that occur naturally in stereo content and uses these elements to create a five-channel surround sound playback experience." "It provides optimal audio for playback in a 5.1-channel home theater system for the thousands of videocassettes and TV programs encoded in four-channel Dolby Surround (the encoding counterpart to Dolby Pro Logic's decoding technology. Dolby Pro Logic II also enables video game consoles to encode five-channel surround sound information into a stereo signal with virtually no impact on the console's CPU, which means all this extra audio won't slow your game down." DPL II processes any high quality stereo signal source into "5.1"—five separate full frequency channels (left, center, right, left surround and right surround) plus one low-frequency-effects (deep bass) channel. Dolby Pro Logic II also decodes 5.1 channels from stereo signals encoded in traditional four-channel Dolby Surround. DPL II implements greatly enhanced steering compared to DPL, and as a result, offers an exceptionally stable sound field that simulates 5.1 channel surround sound to a much more accurate degree than the original Pro Logic. Let's not overreact 98% of the users (I pulled that one out of my ass :P) can't notice the difference between DPLII and 5.1 and the ones that can need a REALLY good 5.1 setup.
Dilli Gee Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 That's a joke. There's a noticable difference. First, there's less dynamic sound with Pro Logic II, second it's simulated 5.1. Not to mention only a handful of surround sound systems support it (it is fairly old now).
mario_jr Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 maybe its noticeable because you have a crappy sound system.
myster0n Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 That's a joke. There's a noticable difference. First, there's less dynamic sound with Pro Logic II, second it's simulated 5.1. Not to mention only a handful of surround sound systems support it (it is fairly old now). A Pro Logic II decoder can transform any stereo sound into simulated 5.1 sound, but that's not the whole of it. During program production, the Dolby Pro Logic II encoder combines five input signals-Left, Center, Right, Left Surround, and Right Surround-into the matrix-encoded, two-channel Lt/Rt signal. And that matrix-encoded signal can be transformed back by a Dolby Pro Logic II decoder. Not having compared it, I do suspect that it'll have a less dynamic sound, I'll grant you that. Oh, and most Dolby Digital decoders also support Dolby Pro Logic II.
DCK Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 I badmouth what needs badmouthing. I do the same on other Xbox 360 and PS3 sites, and I get told "at least you sparked a debate" among other comments. I was commended for being an arse last week actually, on this very board.So you're visiting forums kicking on each of the consoles for the sake of attention? That's pretty sad. Quite honestly I'd appreciate you if your criticism was fair (meaning with your facts straight and not bended towards negative) and you'd actually sound like someone starting a discussion and not as somebody provoking for reactions. I have to say I agree with you on the point that DD would've been better than this. It isn't a shitty alternative though, I have never once had to complain about GameCube sound quality.
triforce_keeper Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 Ok so if you would play a Wii on a 26" HDTV would it be ok?
Dilli Gee Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 I have never once had to complain about GameCube sound quality. To be honest, the only Pro Logic II game where I've had major problems is with Zelda Wind Waker. Villains coming from directly behind keep sounding like they're coming from the left or the right. There's no middle-ground. Ok so if you would play a Wii on a 26" HDTV would it be ok? Yeah it'd be okay, but you can't obviously use it in HD mode.
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