christophicus Posted September 10, 2006 Author Posted September 10, 2006 Everyone who is against the shell seems to be forgetting that if it does not ship with the shell it will turn alot of 3rd part developers from bringing games to it
DCK Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 Good point. There'll be no way a 3rd party can make a game that only works the traditional way, but I doubt they would have anyway. SSBB is in a weird position, it's aimed specifically for the Nintendo audience so I doubt it'll be too much of a problem. Nintendo could even bundle the game with a VC controller. I'll probably be using a Cube controller for SSBB anyway.
conzer16 Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 I'm voting no, just because I wont need it. It pushes the price up (although I will concede not that much), and I would have no use for it. But if it does come bundled I dont really mind. It will probably make me change my mind and I will probably use it the whole time :p
flameboy Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 I'd say no. for a number of reasons.I'm looking forward to multiplayer fun so much, I would be pretty annoyed if the shell was included at the expense of a second wii-mote, so please dont do it. Secondly other people have touched on it, why not just cater the use of GC controllers for such things, and make the shell available for a luxury item for those who want it. As also hinted by others it doesn't look comfortable, I don't think prolonged use of the analogue stick would be comfortable. I'm gonna be annoyed if it's in there and raises the cost.
DanielTimothy Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 Bundle with Wii-mote, Nun-chuck, Zapper and Shell please.
flameboy Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 Bundle with Wii-mote, Nun-chuck, Zapper and Shell please. = higher price point. Not dismissing it though. would actually be a good idea, to maybe have a starter pack with the essentials and then an all in one bundle for people that want everything from day one!
knightendo Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 it won't be included, and i actually hope it isn't. it will push the cost of it up, and will give an overall impression to newbies that nintendo's new controller, the wiimote, is just a fad/gimmick/whatever if a standard controller is bundled with it. it should be sold seperately with a box that pushes the fact that it is mainly for playing VC games. after all, the wiimote and nunchuck are the main reasons behind this console, you don't want to negate all that outta the box of the console!! the VC is something that not all buyers of Wii will use anyway, so giving them an unnecessary pad is silly, and like i said it will push up the price and make the wiimote look like an accessory rather than the other way around. and all this talk of 3rd parties not supporting the console if the "shell" isn't bundled is rubbish! LOOK at the amount of support the Wii has gathered, much more than Cube or N64 and that's because of the new control scheme! developers love it! bundling the "shell" (or whatever) with the console will make people think nintendo has no confidence in the wiimote and THAT lack of confidence is what would push developers away, not the wiimote! and after reading about marvel alliance and mortal kombat wii, i'm hopeful that SSBM will drop this "classic shell" only control sceme and go with the wiimote, otherwise there's no point in shouting about this new-fangled system if one of your biggest franchises isn't going to use it. much much much better to have two wiimotes. the classic controller will be very cheap anyway as it plugs into the wiimote and uses it's transmitters.
The3rdChildren Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 Maybe the best bundle would be a Wiimote, a classic controller and a nunchuck attachment alongside Wii Sports. I'm still dreading using the dongle to go online with the Wii.
triforce_keeper Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 I'm voting no. Why? Because first of all not all people that buy the Wii are going to have internet connection so they have no need for the classic controller because they can't download the games. Anyway it will only bump up the price and I don't think it will be expensive to buy seperatly . Thinking about it they should do two packages, Wii + 2 Wiimotes + 2 Nunchuks + maybe wii sports. Or, Wii + 1 Wiimote + 1 nunchuk + 1 classic controller and maybe Wii sports. Maybe a third package with 2 wiimotes, 2 nunchuks, classic controller, maybe wi sports. But I think thats going abit to far :P
christophicus Posted September 10, 2006 Author Posted September 10, 2006 I dont intend using the VC feature either but by not including the shell they will from the word go be limiting the amount of developers wanting to develope for the console.
knightendo Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 I dont intend using the VC feature either but by not including the shell they will from the word go be limiting the amount of developers wanting to develope for the console. what is ur reasoning behind this? and what examples can you give to back it up? and all made-for-Wii games use the standard controller (as in the wiimote), the classic controller may have been standard last gen, but it is now relegated to an accessory for classic games (hence the name), your argument makes no sense, i'm sorry. the Wii has more support than the last two generations of nintendo consoles had, and its all thanks TO the new controller. the classic controller is an add-on, bundling it with the console goes against everything! if it's bundled THAT might give warning signs to developers! no classic controller in-box nintendo, it'll send out ALL the wrong vibes!
dukegaliz Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 The Ubisoft steering wheel shall provide the ultimate gaming experience, for every ocassion, THIS IS DA SHELL!
McPhee Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 what is ur reasoning behind this? Porting. Its a lot easier to port a game from say 360 across to Wii if you were to use the Classic Controller. Also, the Wiimote isnt really suited to all types of games, an alternative would be nice for those! (for example, Mortal Kombat sounds like its going to be hell to play) I can see the danger with this though. If the classic controller is bundled and therefore readily available, more games might take the easy route and use this instead of the Wiimote, thus slowly killing the Wii off. Its about balance, Nintendo are going to have make things easy for developers and consumers whilst avoiding making it so easy that the console looses sight of what it was designed for, they get that right and their on to a winner, get it wrong and it'll be a disaster!
The Bard Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 I'll get it, should be great for street fighter and mario
christophicus Posted September 12, 2006 Author Posted September 12, 2006 Porting. Its a lot easier to port a game from say 360 across to Wii if you were to use the Classic Controller. Also, the Wiimote isnt really suited to all types of games, an alternative would be nice for those! (for example, Mortal Kombat sounds like its going to be hell to play)I can see the danger with this though. If the classic controller is bundled and therefore readily available, more games might take the easy route and use this instead of the Wiimote, thus slowly killing the Wii off. Its about balance, Nintendo are going to have make things easy for developers and consumers whilst avoiding making it so easy that the console looses sight of what it was designed for, they get that right and their on to a winner, get it wrong and it'll be a disaster! Thanks you . you certainly articulated the point much better hen i would have. :thumbup:
knightendo Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 i don't want a lot of lazy ports! we suffered from that last generation!! look at marvel ultimate alliance and mortal kombat, both are ports but the developers love the controller and i personally think these could be the best versions. you can't just say "it'll be hell to play" before you've even got the wiimote in your hands for a round of wii-tennis! have faith! nintendo are changing gaming, and i personally don't want developers porting things over and not even using the wiimote, gaming is being changed for the better, any developers that are gonna be so lazy aren't worth my money in my book! look at developers like midway etc who were lazy last gen, they ported over ps2 games without optimizing them for cube, and no one bought them. even midway aren't making the same mistakes this time. and saying some game genres won't fit onto the wiimote is just premature! i give the above example again of the marvel game. while it may or may not be a great game itself, it is in a genre you wouldn't normally think would "fit" the wiimote yet the developers are tackling the challenge head-on and i think its controls sound great! bundling the classic controller would be a huge mistake, keep it as an optional extra for GC and VC games like it was always intended. EDIT: read ign's report on marvel, mortal kombat, and the thread here on madden. if developers wish to (and they all seem more than willing to) they can "port" games to wii, and not only take full advantage of the wiimote, but also make it a better gaming experience than the original versions.
ZeldaFreak Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 Another thing is that Nintendo themselves have stated that you won't be able to use GC controller apart from playing gamecube games. Also another note the classic controller is very different than the shell controller. As the classic controller when attached by cable to the Wiimote, won't use the tracking system in it.
DCK Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 Another thing is that Nintendo themselves have stated that you won't be able to use GC controller apart from playing gamecube games.No they haven't. The SSBB makers have said that you should keep the Cube controller for Brawl.
McPhee Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 i don't want a lot of lazy ports! A lazy port is better than no port though you can't just say "it'll be hell to play" before you've even got the wiimote in your hands for a round of wii-tennis! Wii tennis sounds like it will be fun, the example i used on the other hand sounds rather fiddly (and probably will be, hence why SSBB isnt using the 'mote). Something about the controller just says to me that it wont be suited to the usual brand of fighting games all that well. EDIT: read ign's report on marvel, mortal kombat, and the thread here on madden. if developers wish to (and they all seem more than willing to) they can "port" games to wii, and not only take full advantage of the wiimote, but also make it a better gaming experience than the original versions. fingers crossed that 90% of Wii ports use the 'mote then
knightendo Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 A lazy port is better than no port though Wii tennis sounds like it will be fun, the example i used on the other hand sounds rather fiddly (and probably will be, hence why SSBB isnt using the 'mote). Something about the controller just says to me that it wont be suited to the usual brand of fighting games all that well. fingers crossed that 90% of Wii ports use the 'mote then i'd rather a developer made something unique than a port obviously, but my point was that developers are very keen to use the wiimote to its full capacity, EVEN for ports, so bundling the classic controller makes no sense, it could make some become lazy. 'cause let's face it, we want 100% of ports to use it and there's no excuse why not. having to buy an accessory to play a game will put people off, and bundling it will make the wiimote look like a gimmick whose days are numbered. and yeh, i'm hoping that with the examples set by third parties, that SSBB ditches the use of GC controllers and goes with the wiimote, be silly not to.
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