Zarqawi is dead

[The Bard]

Are you a complete jackass? The US is very censored. I didn't say that it was completely fascist, I said it has traits of fascism. Freedom of speech is admittedly there to some degree but anyone who thinks we are able to say whatever we want and get away with it is a complete fool. What about the recent Blasphemy Laws, where it almost became illegal to criticise religion or speak of it negatively? You aren't allowed to criticise Judaism at all because apparently they are a "race." Or how about the fact that we aren't allowed to use expletives in the vicinity of senior citizens? If that is your idea of free speech, then that sort was there in Hitler's Germany.

 

Nazism is not Fascism. They are closely related, but The term Fascism is often used in a very broad sense, to refer to a variety of authoritarian nationalist political movements that exist or existed in many countries. As such, Nazism is usually classified as a particular version of Fascism. Fascists had no strong opinion of the question of race, which is something that played a central role in Nazism. Do you think it really matters what people refer to George Bush as? You have to stop listening to other people's definitions or opinions on things and see the evidence for yourself. Also, it's Der Fuhrer, which in German just means, chief or head or leader. So, Tony Blair or Bush are in fact fuhrers.

 

Also, I think it's better not to reply to me when I'm talking crap, because that just makes me talk more crap, which if you reply to it, will just make me talk even more crap...and, are you starting to see a pattern here...?

[Shino]

Are you a complete jackass? The US is very censored. I didn't say that it was completely fascist, I said it has traits of fascism. Freedom of speech is admittedly there to some degree but anyone who thinks we are able to say whatever we want and get away with it is a complete fool. What about the recent Blasphemy Laws, where it almost became illegal to criticise religion or speak of it negatively? You aren't allowed to criticise Judaism at all because apparently they are a "race." Or how about the fact that we aren't allowed to use expletives in the vicinity of senior citizens? If that is your idea of free speech, then that sort was there in Hitler's Germany.

 

Nazism is not Fascism. They are closely related, but The term Fascism is often used in a very broad sense, to refer to a variety of authoritarian nationalist political movements that exist or existed in many countries. As such, Nazism is usually classified as a particular version of Fascism. Fascists had no strong opinion of the question of race, which is something that played a central role in Nazism. Do you think it really matters what people refer to George Bush as? You have to stop listening to other people's definitions or opinions on things and see the evidence for yourself. Also, it's Der Fuhrer, which in German just means, chief or head or leader. So, Tony Blair or Bush are in fact fuhrers.

 

Also, I think it's better not to reply to me when I'm talking crap, because that just makes me talk more crap, which if you reply to it, will just make me talk even more crap...and, are you starting to see a pattern here...?

 

Look dude, you can't go wikipedia and copy-paste something here without saying it. With that said, I agree that the self-proclaimed "World's Most Democratic Country" is the only one wich people can't even say they're communist.

 

But still, I fail to see what this has to do with the topic.

[The Bard]

Yeah...I don't know, how it got to this point. Also, I only copied the defination of Fascism from wikipedia, why do I need to say that I did that? Is there any point in going, "Oh and by the way, for those of you that give a crap, the following sentence was taken from wikipedia."

[mario114]

BGS, I disagree, killing someone is not allways murder, in a war, it's taking a life, and is for a reason, that guy deserved to die. Killing someone in cold blood is murder.

[demonmike04]

To put myself in any american soliders situation, i wouldnt chance arresting some dude who's willing to blow themselves up.

[BGS]

BGS, I disagree, killing someone is not allways murder, in a war, it's taking a life, and is for a reason, that guy deserved to die. Killing someone in cold blood is murder.

 

In war, why does anyone -deserve- to die? Most soldiers are simply (and no offense is meant to anyone or their friends or family here) mindlessly following orders. Maybe it's not fully their fault but that's how they're trained, brainwashed into that mindset.

 

Maybe this guy did "deserve to die" but who the hell can give themselves the power to decide who lives and dies? That's just playing God which noone has a right to do.

 

This missile that killed him, were there any innocents hurt by this? You can bet that if there were, we won't hear about it. Their deaths will be overshadowed by the news of US soldiers killing one of the 'terrorists'. Maybe there were no innocents killed this time but I know for sure that more innocents are killed in war than the actual perceived 'bad guys'

 

What about these innocent casualties of war? Have they been murdered or are they simply an unavoidable inevitability? Maybe to the soldiers and the US that's what they are, but to the families and friends of those people, their loved ones have been murdered, no arguments about that, and they're sure going to be pissed off.

 

I have no argument with bringing people to justice. I just find it atrocious how certain parties are slapping a 'World Police' badge on their chests whilest playing God with peoples lives.

[Lammie]

In war, why does anyone -deserve- to die? Most soldiers are simply (and no offense is meant to anyone or their friends or family here) mindlessly following orders. Maybe it's not fully their fault but that's how they're trained, brainwashed into that mindset.

 

I don't know if you've had any experience as a soldier, but although they are trained to be very disciplined it's not like they are like zombies that mercilessly kill on command. A soldier isn't allowed to carry out orders from a commanding officer that break the rules of engagement or any other conventions that have to be ahered to.

 

 

Maybe this guy did "deserve to die" but who the hell can give themselves the power to decide who lives and dies? That's just playing God which noone has a right to do.

 

This missile that killed him, were there any innocents hurt by this? You can bet that if there were, we won't hear about it. Their deaths will be overshadowed by the news of US soldiers killing one of the 'terrorists'. Maybe there were no innocents killed this time but I know for sure that more innocents are killed in war than the actual perceived 'bad guys'

 

Innocents were killed. It's no cover up. I think the last report I read said at least ten civilians were injured or killed, including one woman and child.

 

What about these innocent casualties of war? Have they been murdered or are they simply an unavoidable inevitability? Maybe to the soldiers and the US that's what they are, but to the families and friends of those people, their loved ones have been murdered, no arguments about that, and they're sure going to be pissed off.

 

I don't know if the term 'murdered' exists in war. I think they tend to go for 'casualties' or 'collateral damage'. It's the horrible reality. That's the worst thing about this war, and every other - the civilan deaths. And yes it's unavoidable - the argument isn't about waging war without harming civilians it's about not having any war full stop.

 

 

 

And on the topic of Fascism - I think it's kind of difficult to relate the US's current government to Hitler's or Mussolini's regime as there's alot of other factors influencing the US government. You've got lobby groups, big business and religion all with their fingers in the pie wanting the current administration to look after them. GWB isn't a psychopath like Hitler, he's just got alot of favours to repay while keeping the US economy afloat.

 

Oh, and can people be a little more open to other's opinions, I know I didn't set a very good example earlier on but try and keep away from blatant flaming.

[mcj metroid]

Are you a complete jackass? The US is very censored. I didn't say that it was completely fascist, I said it has traits of fascism. Freedom of speech is admittedly there to some degree but anyone who thinks we are able to say whatever we want and get away with it is a complete fool. What about the recent Blasphemy Laws, where it almost became illegal to criticise religion or speak of it negatively? You aren't allowed to criticise Judaism at all because apparently they are a "race." Or how about the fact that we aren't allowed to use expletives in the vicinity of senior citizens? If that is your idea of free speech, then that sort was there in Hitler's Germany.

 

Nazism is not Fascism. They are closely related, but The term Fascism is often used in a very broad sense, to refer to a variety of authoritarian nationalist political movements that exist or existed in many countries. As such, Nazism is usually classified as a particular version of Fascism. Fascists had no strong opinion of the question of race, which is something that played a central role in Nazism. Do you think it really matters what people refer to George Bush as? You have to stop listening to other people's definitions or opinions on things and see the evidence for yourself. Also, it's Der Fuhrer, which in German just means, chief or head or leader. So, Tony Blair or Bush are in fact fuhrers.

 

Also, I think it's better not to reply to me when I'm talking crap, because that just makes me talk more crap, which if you reply to it, will just make me talk even more crap...and, are you starting to see a pattern here...?

U ask if im a jackass and except no reply?Lucky for u im not going to reply cause i dont know sh1t about modern politics,only history:bouncy:

i knew it was der fuhrer just a typing error

thats it im finished!

[Haden]

I think that if they couldn't capture him again killing him was a good thing for Iraq and sent a strong message out to future terroists. Of course the problem is this won't stop the violence but it shows that the coalition is striking back. And this guy was important the fact that he caused stirs in Al Quedea shows this.

 

Oh and btw George Bush is is in no way a fascist. Fascists belive that the State should encompass everything and are totalitarion not authortition. This means they intervne in society and ban any other divergent social expressions like the scouts etc or modify elements of society like the Catholic Church. Fascism also has the idea that the leader of the state embodies the state and is in a sense infallible. George Bush doesn't think this and rule of law and liberalism are the underlying political thought in America. America also supports Captalism wheras Fascism is heavily based the the economic thought of corprotism. So guys please give the George Bush and America are fascists!!! comments a rest as they are boring and check out the acts methods and ideas of the terrorists to see who the real villans are.

[Arragaun]

I too think it is very silly to apply such out-dated terms as Fascist and Nazi to modern-day world powers.

 

Nazi stood for National Socialist anyway, it wasn't some doctrine of belief. They were just led by a bunch of very strange people.

[Dan_Dare]

ah but you can define nazism by describing it as believing or following the doctrine of the national socialist party.

 

you know, like the Daily Mail.

[Jack]

We're talking about a government which calls the suicides of three inmates illegally imprisoned at a modern-day concentration camp "an act of warfare" and "a good PR move to draw attention". "Fascist" doesn't cover it. "Evil fucks" does.

[The Bard]

Aye, polititians can be a tad callous at times.

[conzer16]

Well, it looks like Al Qaeda have their next Zarqawi already.

 

Here

 

and

 

here

[Lammie]

If you're interested in getting some solid unmediated reports about the current state of insurgents vs. the US led occupation check out anything by Michael Ware - an Australian journalist who's spent the last 3 years reporting for Time. Just saw a documentary based around his contact with Iraqi Resistance and al Qaida jihadi's. Very interesting. I could go on for a while about what he has to say, but you're better off tracking down the reports by him yourself.

 

This is what Ware had to say about Zarqawi back in 2004:

 

"Insurgents used to say to me, 'I'm fighting to get the U.S. out of Iraq - Iraq for Iraqis.' Now they say, 'I'm fighting for Islam.' We've created the next Bin Laden, Zarqawi. He was a marginal figure before the war, and now, he's actually competing with him for primacy."