knightendo Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 well rokhed i can tell you now smoking in a designated "non-smoking" area is not just illegal, but selfish! you can do what you want to your own body, but without people's consent you have no right to inflict it upon others. i'm a train conductor and in northern ireland we've banned smoking on all trains and buses too, and i can tell you if they reinstated the smoking carriage there would be hell to pay from the public and the staff! and as my translink contract says about it's non-smoking policy: "non-smokers have more of a right to breathe fresh air than smokers do to smoke" - couldn't put it better myself, it's about the only good thing this railway has said in years lol! our new trains are fitted with smoke detectors in the toilet, if someone smokes, an alarm sounds and the train's automatic brakes kick in and it stops on its own. the passenger is removed from the train at the next stop and not permitted to continue on that service, then prosecuted, the last one being fined for over £500 (and the conductor and a few passenger witnesses all enjoyed a reward cheque of £250 as a thank you from the railway). if you want to smoke in that five hours, drive! my friend the other day was complaining about the ban, and i quite openly while in full uniform on the train told her to wind her neck in! she wants to quit herself but moans that it shouldn't be forced upon her, that (and i quote) "i didn't want to start, i had to, it was peer pressure". once she said that i gave up lol! smoking and non-smoking pubs and clubs might be a good idea i agree. from what i've heard from southern ireland business is booming because all the non-smokers who never went out clubbing and pubbing it now are, and all the smokers just use the beer gardens which are designated smoking areas in some of these places. and any smokers who huff and wana stay home, well the off-licence business will boom then jk. my other friend emma, who also smokes, quite heavily, has no problems at all in smoking outside when she pops by, or going outside when she is down south, she's quite a considerate smoker i have to say, and if more people were like that i wouldn't be so annoyed with the habit. blowing it away from people doesn't make sense! smoke goes where it wants to waft. as lee evans said, when complaining about putting the non-smoking section next to the smoking section in reastaurants, does the smoke waft across to the non-smoking section then go: "oh, we're not allowed!" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoogleViper Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 as lee evans said, when complaining about putting the non-smoking section next to the smoking section in reastaurants, does the smoke waft across to the non-smoking section then go: "oh, we're not allowed!" lol Lee Evans is sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faz99 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 True stuff. I can't have sex in a pub in front of everyone. What's the deal with that? Where's my freedom of choice? Some people think it's a bit gross, but I don't and they could always not look. In clubs, i've seen it happen three time so far. Twas quite disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevahom Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 it is odd when it happens tho, not what is needed tho lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platty Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 In clubs, i've seen it happen three time so far.Twas quite disgusting. Really? when i see the sex taking place in public places i grab a beer and watch. If they didnt want me to watch then dont do it in public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyellowbloke Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Really? when i see the sex taking place in public places i grab a beer and watch. If they didnt want me to watch then dont do it in public "It's like porn, only they can see me and I don't have a hard on" (Peep Show quotage). Well some good points have been raised on either side of the issue, but I think the non smokers have it really, then again I'm biased towards them. Although I personally wouldn't mind having a seperate room for smoking, but it seems that the ban is going ahead anyway and it hasn't caused the implosion of Irish society. I mean it isn't that much hassle to step outside for five minutes to have a cigarette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I smoke. And I enjoy smoking. I also live in a pub. So I consider myself particularly qualified to comment on the subject. My father is a non-smoking landlord, and he's extremely concerned about what this means for the future of the industry. As am I. I hate the thought of groups of smokers going outside for a fag forming seperate cliques of smokers/non-smokers. And obviously the thought of people not wanting to come to the pub, cos they can't smoke, is quite frankly terrifying. I'd be very interested to see how many of you are: a) old enough to buy cigarettes and understand the addiction b) able to understand pub and bar culture, which has run hand-in-hand with smoking since tobacco was first brought to England over 500 years ago! It's totally hypocritical for a non-smoker to enter a pub or bar, and then complain about the smoke. The two do, and always have, run hand-in-hand, and everyone is perfectly aware that with pubs, comes smoke! If it REALLY offends you that much, you wouldn't go in. Would you really be so concerned about smoke if the media hadn't banged on about the dangers of passive smoke so inanely for so long? If you're delicate enough to be made physically ill by passive smoke, you're gonna be a kid, really old, or terminally ill. Otherwise you're just jumping on an anti-smoking bandwagon, cos you're a nob. I'm all for non-smoking restaurants. No-one likes the smell of smoke whilst they're eating. But drinking? Fags and booze are best mates! I'm not massively happy about a bunch of tossers in suits deciding that I can't smoke in my own leisure time. Particularly in clubs! But the kids proclaiming the idea is GREAT!!1!!1! honestly can't understand the situation sufficiently to comment objectively... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 well rokhed i can tell you now smoking in a designated "non-smoking" area is not just illegal, but selfish! you can do what you want to your own body, but without people's consent you have no right to inflict it upon others. i'm a train conductor and in northern ireland we've banned smoking on all trains and buses too, and i can tell you if they reinstated the smoking carriage there would be hell to pay from the public and the staff! and as my translink contract says about it's non-smoking policy: "non-smokers have more of a right to breathe fresh air than smokers do to smoke" - couldn't put it better myself, it's about the only good thing this railway has said in years lol! our new trains are fitted with smoke detectors in the toilet, if someone smokes, an alarm sounds and the train's automatic brakes kick in and it stops on its own. the passenger is removed from the train at the next stop and not permitted to continue on that service, then prosecuted, the last one being fined for over £500 (and the conductor and a few passenger witnesses all enjoyed a reward cheque of £250 as a thank you from the railway). if you want to smoke in that five hours, drive! my friend the other day was complaining about the ban, and i quite openly while in full uniform on the train told her to wind her neck in! she wants to quit herself but moans that it shouldn't be forced upon her, that (and i quote) "i didn't want to start, i had to, it was peer pressure". once she said that i gave up lol! smoking and non-smoking pubs and clubs might be a good idea i agree. from what i've heard from southern ireland business is booming because all the non-smokers who never went out clubbing and pubbing it now are, and all the smokers just use the beer gardens which are designated smoking areas in some of these places. and any smokers who huff and wana stay home, well the off-licence business will boom then jk. my other friend emma, who also smokes, quite heavily, has no problems at all in smoking outside when she pops by, or going outside when she is down south, she's quite a considerate smoker i have to say, and if more people were like that i wouldn't be so annoyed with the habit. blowing it away from people doesn't make sense! smoke goes where it wants to waft. as lee evans said, when complaining about putting the non-smoking section next to the smoking section in reastaurants, does the smoke waft across to the non-smoking section then go: "oh, we're not allowed!" lol Personally I couldn't give a shit what the rail system is doing in Northern Ireland, I have no intention of going there, and if it's anything like the system run in southern Ireland they're a bunch of fascists anyway, not letting dogs on trains, how petty is that. They won't do the same thing over here as most rail providers are suffering losses and they can't run to the expense of fitting smoke alarms in every toilet on every train, let alone rewarding any passengers who happen to be nearby so highly. And even if they do, there's a way around everything and I have a way round this, plus I don't really think they'd like the negative press persecuting the disabled will bring. Similarly I couldn't give a shit if people think I'm being selfish having a smoke 2 or 3 times a year in a british rail toilet, I've suffered peoples selfishness numerous occasions on public transport over the past 6 years to allow me the odd indiscretion by the laws of karma, do you think it's any more acceptable to make a disabled man stand for a half hour bus or train journey whilst able bodied young people hog all the seats? I don't really expect anyone to understand fully unless they've been in that situation, but I think the attitude of most people today is disgraceful, they'll happily moan on ad infinitum about the smell of smoke, but won't offer their seat to somebody less able. Think what you like about smokers, but odds are you are just as thoughtless about other peoples well being as any smoker, and probably do it on a more regular basis. I smoke. And I enjoy smoking. I also live in a pub. So I consider myself particularly qualified to comment on the subject. My father is a non-smoking landlord, and he's extremely concerned about what this means for the future of the industry. As am I. I hate the thought of groups of smokers going outside for a fag forming seperate cliques of smokers/non-smokers. And obviously the thought of people not wanting to come to the pub, cos they can't smoke, is quite frankly terrifying. I'd be very interested to see how many of you are: a) old enough to buy cigarettes and understand the addiction b) able to understand pub and bar culture, which has run hand-in-hand with smoking since tobacco was first brought to England over 500 years ago! It's totally hypocritical for a non-smoker to enter a pub or bar, and then complain about the smoke. The two do, and always have, run hand-in-hand, and everyone is perfectly aware that with pubs, comes smoke! If it REALLY offends you that much, you wouldn't go in. Would you really be so concerned about smoke if the media hadn't banged on about the dangers of passive smoke so inanely for so long? If you're delicate enough to be made physically ill by passive smoke, you're gonna be a kid, really old, or terminally ill. Otherwise you're just jumping on an anti-smoking bandwagon, cos you're a nob. I'm all for non-smoking restaurants. No-one likes the smell of smoke whilst they're eating. But drinking? Fags and booze are best mates! I'm not massively happy about a bunch of tossers in suits deciding that I can't smoke in my own leisure time. Particularly in clubs! But the kids proclaiming the idea is GREAT!!1!!1! honestly can't understand the situation sufficiently to comment objectively... You and me both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Also, I wonder how many of the non-smokers had actually thought about the effects of passive smoke, before the ban? I mean, whereas it wasn't something you had considered in the past, the ban now gives you an excuse to jump up and shout "See! I told you smoking was bad!", as if you're even vaguely clued up on the situation. These people have no business even debating the subject... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hostile Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Haha, you can't smoke in public places. Owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Haha, you can't smoke in public places. Owned. Good one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hostile Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I know, I thought it up myself and everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I know, I thought it up myself and everything! And it shows. You really ought to consider getting informed on a subject before commenting on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowser57 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Also, I wonder how many of the non-smokers had actually thought about the effects of passive smoke, before the ban? I mean, whereas it wasn't something you had considered in the past, the ban now gives you an excuse to jump up and shout "See! I told you smoking was bad!", as if you're even vaguely clued up on the situation. These people have no business even debating the subject... Not quite getting your point. Are you suggesting the smokers are the ones who are clued up and understand fully the dangers of smoking, and the non-smokers just happen not to do it, all the while being too stupid to realise the facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 No. I'm saying that a whole bunch of people can now find it very easy to jump on their high horses for the sake of it, and criticise smokers and smoking, when they have no business doing so. That's not cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hostile Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 And it shows.You really ought to consider getting informed on a subject before commenting on it. No, that's okay, I'm perfectly happy with my knee-jerk reaction. *edit* No business criticizing smokers? It's a filthy habit. Of-course we're gonna criticize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 No, that's okay, I'm perfectly happy with my knee-jerk reaction. As long as you're happy to be thought of as a tw@t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haver Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 They're getting irate already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 By walking into a pub, you are consenting to being exposed to cigarette smoke. So I'm not going to feel bad about smoking around consenting adults. Pregnant women, toddlers and old people with altzeimers, yes. But not actual, grown-up, mature adults of a sound mind. Banning smoking in pubs will only encourage smoking at home anyway. You don't get kids in pubs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 By walking into a pub, you are consenting to being exposed to cigarette smoke. So I'm not going to feel bad about smoking around consenting adults. Pregnant women, toddlers and old people with altzeimers, yes. But not actual, grown-up, mature adults of a sound mind. Banning smoking in pubs will only encourage smoking at home anyway. You don't get kids in pubs... A lot of pubs do allow kids, but that's the parents choice, and that's a bit patronizing to pregnant women, although they don't always act sensibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Well, yeah. Our pub lets kids in. But they can't argue about the drawbacks of passive smoking. And if their parents want them in a pub, then that's up to them. But even then, say a couple bring their kids to the pub once a week, for Sunday lunch, the passive smoke is going to have no effect on their health, is it. It's all blown out of proportion. My old man is a non-smoker, and he's exposed to cigarette smoke all day, every day. However, he's totally against the ban. Granted, he has alterior motives, but he's not even slightly fazed by passive cigarette smoke. And he's perfectly healthy, after 40 years of being behind a bar. Do the people who are concerned about passive smoke also avoid walking around the bustling, pollution-packed streets of London during the day? Or do you reckon they get hammered every weekend, and raise a bit of hell at the tax-payers' expense? There are bigger concerns than some bloke having a fag next to you at the bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Do the people who are concerned about passive smoke also avoid walking around the bustling, pollution-packed streets of London during the day? Of course they don't, it's unavoidable, just like being exposed to smoke in pubs is currently, just now they've heard things are going to change they like to kick up a fuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jav_NE Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Thats a really good point, with encouraged smoking in the home that just makes more kids and pregnant women exposed to smoke alot more than they would be. From a business perspective as someone said also, pubs arnt going to like losing business, alot of people who go to pubs smoke, its fact! I think its an argument that never will have a definitive answer so we cant really plug for one, the government has though and smokers have a right to be pissed off with it. If they had decided on the opposite, saying you cant go to pubs unless you smoke, non-smokers would be pissed off. Theres no solution, its an argument that will continue for a long time to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Thats a really good point, with encouraged smoking in the home that just makes more kids and pregnant women exposed to smoke alot more than they would be. From a business perspective as someone said also, pubs arnt going to like losing business, alot of people who go to pubs smoke, its fact! I think its an argument that never will have a definitive answer so we cant really plug for one, the government has though and smokers have a right to be pissed off with it. If they had decided on the opposite, saying you cant go to pubs unless you smoke, non-smokers would be pissed off. Theres no solution, its an argument that will continue for a long time to come. There is only one real solution, smoking and non smoking pubs, but even that isn't ideal as plenty of social groups consist of smokers and non smokers and that would limit their possibilities for a night out together, either the smokers would have to agree to not smoking or the non smokers would have to agree to being exposed to tobacco smoke. Fortunately not all non smokers are the nazis that some non smokers can be, it all just depends on if they value their friends more than the right to bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunKy Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 My grandparents used to own a pub. My grandmother didnt smoke, but she died of lung cancer, caused by yep you guessed it, passive smoking. Saying that passive smoking is a product of the media is bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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