Diageo Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Rummy, don't vote for Sheikah because he's being insufferable. We won't get anything out of it. Right now there's a better reason to vote for Dud than Sheikah. So could anyone here. Your point? @Rummy I think emotions are clouding your judgement. Or you're Mafia... That your use of confirmed is lacking.
Rummy Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 So could anyone here. Your point? @Rummy I think emotions are clouding your judgement. Or you're Mafia... I think the one most clouded is probably yourself. You've argued flawed points, and your demeanor puts me off. Emotional? Well, I judge with both logic, emotion, and intuition - whether mafia or town I think there's enough about you to warrant a lynch for both information, and actual further benefit to the town. If mafia, you are not help. If town, you are a hindrance fleeting after every little thing you believe. An asset of distraction for the silent mafia.
EEVILMURRAY Posted November 9, 2013 Author Posted November 9, 2013 I've had to take that quote Rummy. I love it.
Rummy Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Rummy, don't vote for Sheikah because he's being insufferable. We won't get anything out of it. Right now there's a better reason to vote for Dud than Sheikah. That your use of confirmed is lacking. My vote. My right. I don't trust Magnus's town result on Sheikah, and I don't trust his mafia result on DuD. I think it's an unlikely exceptional play to frame both, so I'm not nailing DuD. I voted for Cube when I could have avoided it(and yes, I noticed in the post majority that DuD didn't) but right now something bugs me. I can't place it, and you could call it emotional or intuitive, but still something bugs me. There's so much unexplained, I don't want to just latch on to these half formed theories and explanations. For one, if Sheikah didn't target me last night - who did so with his exact power? The power I revealed before anyone else did afaik? Is his power a retroactive claim, or is it copied, or did he do it and claim another target who he might know will keep silent when he calls them out?
Sheikah Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 I think the one most clouded is probably yourself. You've argued flawed points, and your demeanor puts me off. Emotional? Well, I judge with both logic, emotion, and intuition - whether mafia or town I think there's enough about you to warrant a lynch for both information, and actual further benefit to the town. If mafia, you are not help. If town, you are a hindrance fleeting after every little thing you believe. An asset of distraction for the silent mafia. Weaaaak. Where is the substance to your vote? Are you for real Rummy? We have a cop who has given us a Mafioso saying DuD is Mafia. We have EEVIL saying my analysis of why he got results on me and not Yvonne as a cock up as 'close enough'. Are people getting this?
Rummy Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 I think maybe Magnus got a result on me despite intending to target Yvonne. @EEVILMURRAY is this close to the mark? What does not equal why. This may be the case unrelated to his fuck up, and you could still be 'close enough' because it is a fact that it happened. I will not take meta and especially meta-GM arguments, they're the weakest to assume. Weaaaak. Where is the substance to your vote? Are you for real Rummy? We have a cop who has given us a Mafioso saying DuD is Mafia. We have EEVIL saying my analysis of why he got results on me and not Yvonne as a cock up as 'close enough'. Are people getting this? Substance is posted at exact same time as your post, in addition to my previous.
Sheikah Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Well that's good. I think you might be Mafia and don't want to vote your teammate.
Rummy Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Yet I did on Day 2. Interesting. Diageo's right - you can splash 20 or 30 or 100 different angles, hit one and claim you're right. Your strongest one would be to always operate with an ounce of self-doubt - do you recall the Keyboard mafia? The one where I was totally mafia? Oh no wait, that was just what you totally believed with all the conclusive evidence in front of you despite 100% accurate and truthful claims by myself which you were equally adamant were not the case. >You'll hopefully understand why I take you, and everything else, with a pinch of salt.
Sheikah Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Yet I did on Day 2. Interesting. Diageo's right - you can splash 20 or 30 or 100 different angles, hit one and claim you're right. Your strongest one would be to always operate with an ounce of self-doubt - do you recall the Keyboard mafia? The one where I was totally mafia? Oh no wait, that was just what you totally believed with all the conclusive evidence in front of you despite 100% accurate and truthful claims by myself which you were equally adamant were not the case. >You'll hopefully understand why I take you, and everything else, with a pinch of salt. The game where you were a dumb cop and I was a real cop? You'll notice I said I wasn't completely sure but the risk was low (you had a useless power and you had suspected a bunch of the wrong people). It's just shitty luck when you get that role. @ReZourceman can you explain the removed vote?
ReZourceman Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 I didn't want a lynch to happen with a high level of activity when we still have a day to go
Rummy Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 You didn't say that until I made a mad proposition to you, which in itself was out of line and not in the spirit of the game. However, the fact you'll still defend every aspect of your own decisions and behavior is exactly why I feel you aren't the full person you could be. I'll, in this instance, keep my vote on you. Either learn and express the ability to doubt yourself, or I will think you're a either mafia or a greater liability than most others. You're a force that exists, but without control or direction you are of no benefit. @ReZourceman can you explain the removed vote? He's totally mafia and his explained reason is highly convoluted bullshit. For everything you claim obvious, I would have thought that was more than enough in the basic workings of mafia
Sheikah Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 This is going somewhat off topic but...I wasn't the only person who lynched you in that case Rummy. Only in hindsight can you say that particular lynch was wrong. At the time I believe it was totally a worthwhile thing to do based on the situation as we knew it (your dumb cop role, the people you had put suspicion on throughout the game, that we were in a safe position to do it). The thing about lynches is that if you don't do them then you don't have a chance of winning. I don't think being assertive is a bad thing, even if your assertions turn out to be wrong. I think you've also got me wrong - I often question lynches and many times abstain from them or remove vote, or my opinion on someone can completely change based on someone else's results. The trouble is when I use words like 'confirm', people clearly don't like it. So what I'll say is that I'm not confirmed town. Magnus says he finds me to be town and EEVIL has suggested that something went wrong in relation to the Yvonne/me mixup. People can make of that what they will. In this one case I think I can be assertive about comments about foul play regarding the results on me. After all, whatever you think of me, you know that I know the truth, right?
Sheikah Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 I know nothing. And that is the point. True! But I knew nothing about your real alignment in that game yet lynched you based on other factors, ie. the factors that were available and visible to me. And to the others.
Sheikah Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 He's back! Did you happen to find out about getting the results on me rather than Yvonne? EEVIL said I was close enough. It might help convince Rummy that your result on me was right.
Rummy Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 True! But I knew nothing about your real alignment in that game yet lynched you based on other factors, ie. the factors that were available and visible to me. And to the others. You still miss the point, and still I keep my vote on you for it. You constantly defend yourself as right, without doubt. You throw out logical conundrums as if they all make perfect sense. You are harsh and criticise others for not following your own thinking. Most importantly, you acknowledge little to none in being wrong. I am fully aware I know nothing, you are not. Thus, I vote for you. Your attitude improvement would extend to benefit you outside of mafias too, but I've no option to change or influence either.
Mr-Paul Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Guys. I just want to say FROM MY INFORMATION I believe there is a very very low likelihood that Magnus was tampered with. That means his info on DuD is very very likely to be correct and therefore we should follow it, as we did when he found Cube to be mafia. Just because Sheikah is a bit annoying doesn't make him a better lynch candidate. By going after him, you are really just clogging up the the thread with crap I don't want to read.
Rummy Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 It might help convince Rummy that your result on me was right. You've convinced me far beyond that fact now, I'm afraid. Right or wrong, I see you as hindrance. Guys. I just want to say FROM MY INFORMATION I believe there is a very very low likelihood that Magnus was tampered with. That means his info on DuD is very very likely to be correct and therefore we should follow it, as we did when he found Cube to be mafia. Just because Sheikah is a bit annoying doesn't make him a better lynch candidate. By going after him, you are really just clogging up the the thread with crap I don't want to read. I'll probably take that then. Of course, I know who I'll look to in the end! I will cast my vote after one last thread perusal. (I never suggested Sheikah as a lynch candidate, you all seem to mistake my personal choices and expression thereof for something else) Ah, I'd forgotten @ReZourceman had removed his vote - so mine alone will not be enough to end it. Nonetheless...I shall Vote:DuD. If town, we have Sheikah(on principle as I said previously) and now mr-paul to pursue. DAMN YOU SMILEY FACE MAN, I WANTED TO Vote: dUd
Mr-Paul Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 You've convinced me far beyond that fact now, I'm afraid. Right or wrong, I see you as hindrance. I'll probably take that then. Of course, I know who I'll look to in the end! I will cast my vote after one last thread perusal. (I never suggested Sheikah as a lynch candidate, you all seem to mistake my personal choices and expression thereof for something else) Ah, I'd forgotten @ReZourceman had removed his vote - so mine alone will not be enough to end it. Nonetheless...I shall Vote:DuD. If town, we have Sheikah(on principle as I said previously) and now mr-paul to pursue. DAMN YOU SMILEY FACE MAN, I WANTED TO Vote: dUd Just to be clear, I'm not backing up Sheikah here. I'm just against barking up the tree that isn't what the alignment investigator has presented us. I'm backing Magnus Peterson. I still definitely had doubts about Sheikah myself up until EEVIL's posts. And even those don't totally clear him for me, but I think we should drop it for now until there's more info on Sheikah.
Sheikah Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 You still miss the point, and still I keep my vote on you for it. You constantly defend yourself as right, without doubt. You throw out logical conundrums as if they all make perfect sense. You are harsh and criticise others for not following your own thinking. Most importantly, you acknowledge little to none in being wrong. I am fully aware I know nothing, you are not. Thus, I vote for you. Your attitude improvement would extend to benefit you outside of mafias too, but I've no option to change or influence either. I find this very untruthful and I'm getting a rather nasty/personal vibe from you now (regarding 'outside of the topic' advice). I acknowledge that I have lynched the wrong people in the past (of course I have), but the particular example you brought in (your lynch in the keyboard mafia) was not a good one. In terms of the decision to lynch you at the time, it was worth doing based on what we knew then. I think given all the support for DuD's lynch now I ask you to please see that what you're saying could be seen as more than a little hypocritical. You are telling me that I never face the possibility that I am wrong...yet in this case you are yourself wrong about me and not modifying your vote accordingly.
Sheikah Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Second: well, good. Glad you came round. Just keep the personal jabs out of it, mmkay? I think EEVIL may have been able to prevent a lot of this actually if he told us before. :p
ReZourceman Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Oh well. An active mafia is a good mafia.
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