General Gaming Sales/Charts Discussion

[Dcubed]

Not surprising, if true. Launching a new console is always a money sink, even more so when it's not performing well.

 

That plus they made losses in Q1 & Q2 2012, with them only returning to profit in Q3 (when the 3DS finally stopped being sold at a loss).

 

Not surprising that they made a loss for the whole year. A substantially smaller loss than last year, but still a loss. With the 3DS lineup exploding, the yen weakening, the Wii U finally getting some games and them now making profit on each 3DS console (and possibly also Wii U by Q2=Q3 of this year), they'll be back in profit from here on for sure though.

[liger05]

That plus they made losses in Q1 & Q2 2012, with them only returning to profit in Q3 (when the 3DS finally stopped being sold at a loss).

 

Not surprising that they made a loss for the whole year. A substantially smaller loss than last year, but still a loss. With the 3DS lineup exploding, the yen weakening, the Wii U finally getting some games and them now making profit on each 3DS console (and possibly also Wii U by Q2=Q3 of this year), they'll be back in profit from here on for sure though.

 

The positive if true is its much less than last years annual loss.

[Serebii]

Contrary to what many believe across the internet, turnarounds do not happen overnight. They're a gradual thing as production prices come down, releases are done and so forth.

 

This shows that they ARE turning it around.

 

Plus, not long after the launch of the PS3, Sony's games division was losing this every month and a half. It goes to show

Edited April 23, 2013 by Serebii

[liger05]

Contrary to what many believe across the internet, turnarounds do not happen overnight. They're a gradual thing as production prices come down, releases are done and so forth.

 

This shows that they ARE turning it around.

 

I'm more interested in the Wii U numbers. How much they have shipped Q2 and what they expect to ship for the rest of the year.

[Serebii]

I'm more interested in the Wii U numbers. How much they have shipped Q2 and what they expect to ship for the rest of the year.

I just hope the pull back on their estimates a bit to be a bit more realistic.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Serebii

[Dcubed]

The Nintendo financial results are out! (historical data shamelessly stolen from Neogaf)

 

(reported in Millions of yen)

 

1 USD ~ 99.66 yen

1 Euro ~ 129.55 yen

 

 

Net Sales ---> ¥635,422

 

Operating Loss ---> ¥36,410

 

Net Income ---> ¥ 7,099

 

Wii U Unit Sales (Unit: Million)

 

Hardware Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD

 

FY 2012/13 3.06 0.39 3.45 3.45

 

 

 

Software Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD

 

FY 2012/13 11.69 1.73 13.42 13.42

 

3DS Unit Sales (Unit: Million)

 

Hardware Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD

 

FY 2010/11 - - - 3.61 3.61 3.61

 

FY 2011/12 0.71 2.36 8.36 2.10 13.53 17.13

 

FY 2012/13 1.86 3.20 7.65 1.24 13.95 31.09

 

 

 

Software Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD

 

FY 2010/11 - - - 9.43 9.43 9.43

 

FY 2011/12 4.53 3.60 19.91 7.96 36.00 45.42

 

FY 2012/13 7.39 11.64 20.53 10.05 49.61 95.03

 

Wii Unit Sales (Unit: Million)

Hardware Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD

 

FY 2006/07 - - 3.19 2.65 5.84 5.84

 

FY 2007/08 3.43 3.90 6.96 4.32 18.61 24.45

 

FY 2008/09 5.17 4.93 10.42 5.43 25.95 50.39

 

FY 2009/10 2.23 3.53 11.30 3.48 20.53 70.93

 

FY 2010/11 3.04 1.93 8.75 1.36 15.08 86.01

 

FY 2011/12 1.56 1.79 5.61 0.88 9.84 95.85

 

FY 2012/13 0.71 0.61 2.21 0.45 3.98 99.84

 

 

 

Software Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD

 

FY 2006/07 - - 17.51 11.33 28.84 28.84

 

FY 2007/08 15.98 20.99 47.38 35.25 119.60 148.44

 

FY 2008/09 40.41 41.00 82.37 40.80 204.58 353.02

 

FY 2009/10 31.07 45.14 80.43 35.17 191.81 544.83

 

FY 2010/11 28.17 37.04 85.33 20.72 171.26 716.09

 

FY 2011/12 13.44 23.01 52.61 13.31 102.37 818.46

 

FY 2012/13 8.47 15.27 21.34 5.53 50.61 869.06

 

NDS Unit Sales (Unit: Million)

 

Hardware Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD

 

FY 2004/05 - - 2.84 2.43 5.27 5.27

 

FY 2005/06 1.38 2.19 5.59 2.30 11.46 16.73

 

FY 2006/07 4.54 5.55 8.79 4.68 23.56 40.29

 

FY 2007/08 6.98 6.37 11.15 5.81 30.31 70.60

 

FY 2008/09 6.94 6.79 11.89 5.56 31.18 101.78

 

FY 2009/10 5.97 5.73 11.65 3.76 27.11 128.89

 

FY 2010/11 3.15 3.54 9.01 1.82 17.52 146.42

 

FY 2011/12 1.44 1.14 2.06 0.46 5.10 151.52

 

FY 2012/13 0.54 0.44 1.17 0.20 2.35 153.87

 

 

 

Software Ap-Jn Jl-Sp Oc-Dc Ja-Mr FY LTD

 

FY 2004/05 - - 5.01 5.48 10.49 10.49

 

FY 2005/06 5.32 7.98 22.60 14.05 49.95 60.44

 

FY 2006/07 18.35 24.81 50.64 29.75 123.55 183.98

 

FY 2007/08 34.26 41.24 71.39 38.73 185.62 369.61

 

FY 2008/09 36.59 48.43 78.76 33.53 197.31 566.92

 

FY 2009/10 29.09 42.06 50.23 30.21 151.59 718.5

 

FY 2010/11 22.42 32.42 44.15 21.99 120.98 839.48

 

FY 2011/12 12.13 16.86 22.21 9.62 60.82 900.31

 

FY 2012/13 8.48 8.82 12.94 3.14 33.38 933.69

 

FY 2013/14 Nintendo Forecast (Unit: Million)

 

April 24, 2013

 

3DS NDS Wii Wii U

 

Hardware 18.00 - 2.00 9.00

 

Software 80.00 10.00 20.00 38.00

 

FY 2012/13 Nintendo Forecast (Unit: Million)

 

January 30, 2013

 

3DS NDS Wii Wii U

 

Hardware 15.00 2.30 4.00 4.00

 

Software 50.00 33.00 50.00 16.00

 

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October 24, 2012

 

3DS NDS Wii Wii U

 

Hardware 17.50 2.50 5.00 5.50

 

Software 70.00 37.00 50.50 24.00

 

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April 26, 2012

 

3DS NDS (Wii + Wii U)

 

Hardware 18.50 2.50 10.50

 

Software 73.00 37.00 70.00

 

Nice to see that they made an overall Net Income (even if it was only thanks to the depreciation of the yen and then only by the skin of their teeth) but good lord are those Wii U sales abysmal!

 

That forecast of 9 million for Wii U this year seems overly aggressive. Unless they're being truthful when they say that the lineup for Q3-Q4 is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, I can't see it coming even remotely close... (18 million seems attainable for 3DS though mind you)

 

Super Mario 3D Land is still doing amazingly well, 8.27 million is crazy! Can't believe that it's still out selling Mario Kart 7! (which is sitting at 8.08 million)

 

The real surprise winner here though is Nintendogs & Cats. It might not be reaching the heights of the original game, but 2.7 million is nothing to sneeze at! (It'll probably break 3 million after all is said and done)

Edited April 24, 2013 by Dcubed

[liger05]

The attachment rate for the 3DS needs to improve and somehow they need to get HW sales increased in the West.

Killing of the DS will help.

 

The Wii U sales are horrific but thats what you get when you launch a console and then release no games.

[-Dem0-]

Japanese sales last week

 

Software Sales (followed by lifetime sales)

 

[3DS] Tomodachi Collection: New Life (Nintendo, 04/18/13) – 404,858 (New)

[PS3] Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (Namco Bandai, 04/18/13) – 87,661 (New)

[PSP] Seven Dragon 2020 II (Sega, 04/18/13) – 73,697 (New)

[3DS] Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon (Nintendo, 03/21/13) – 41,296 (557,271)

[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf (Nintendo, 11/08/12) – 34,482 (3,096,559)

[PSP] Amnesia Crowd (Idea Factory, 04/18/13) – 24,780 (New)

[3DS] Card Fight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory!! (Furyuu, 04/11/13) – 9,161 (53,6980

[PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2 (Namco Bandai, 03/21/13) – 7,887 (378,645)

[3DS] Run For Money: Flee From the Strongest Hunters in History (Namco Bandai, 07/05/12) – 6,294 (464,573)

[360] Monster Hunter Frontier G1 Premium Package (Capcom, 04/17/13) – 6,042 (New)

[3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo, 07/28/12) – 5,866 (2,002,396)

[PS3] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2013 (Konami, 03/21/13) – 5,571 (155,296)

[3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) (Capcom, 11/15/12) – 5,180 (290,004)

[PSP] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2013 (Konami, 03/21/13) – 5,097 (129,423)

[PSP] Sword Art Online: Infinity Moment (Namco Bandai, 03/14/13) – 5,001 (191,444)

[PSV] Muramasa Rebirth (Marvelous AQL, 03/28/13) – 4,555 (67,842)

[3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo, 12/01/11) – 4,518 (2,029,645)

[PS3] Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix (Square Enix, 03/14/13) – 4,270 (193,439)

[PSV] Soul Sacrifice (SCEJ, 03/07/13) – 4,162 (164,825)

[Wii] Taiko Drum Master Wii Super Wonderful Edition (Namco Bandai, 11/29/12) – 3,950 (453,256)

Hardware Sales (followed by last week’s sales)

 

3DS LL – 57,089 (28,139)

3DS – 18,833 (18,584)

PlayStation Vita – 15,011 (14,112)

PlayStation 3 – 13,915 (14,039)

Wii U – 8,798 (9,984)

PSP – 7,816 (7,566)

Wii – 1,379 (1,383)

Xbox 360 – 515 (492)

 

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/04/tomodachi_collection_new_life_storms_the_japanese_charts

 

Impressive numbers for both Tomadachi and the 3DS XL

[Serebii]

Oh crap, I forgot about that lol.

 

3DS boosts, everything else level

[Daft]

Sony doubles annual profit forecast

 

Sony has upwardly revised its financial year results forecast due to the sale of a number of assets and the favourable impact of the depreciation of the yen in the fourth quarter.

 

For the year ended March 31, 2013, the company has doubled its profit forecast from 20 billion yen ($201m / £130) to 40 billion yen ($403m / £261m).

 

The firm's operating income forecast has also been raised by 76.9 per cent to 230 billion yen, while sales are also expected to total 6,800 billion yen, three per cent higher than previously expected.

 

Thought I'd post this rarest of stories, Sony revising profits upward.

 

Shocker. Only had to sell a skyscraper to happen.

[-Dem0-]

Top 40 Entertainment Software (All Prices), Week Ending 26 April 2013

 

 

1 DEAD ISLAND: RIPTIDE - KOCH MEDIA

2 INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US - WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE

3 DRAGON'S DOGMA: DARK ARISEN - CAPCOM

4 STAR TREK - NAMCO BANDAI GAMES

5 TOMB RAIDER - SQUARE ENIX EUROPE

6 BIOSHOCK INFINITE - TAKE 2

7 FIFA 13 - ELECTRONIC ARTS

8 LEGO CITY UNDERCOVER: THE CHASE BEGINS - NINTENDO

9 DEFIANCE - TRION WORLDS

10 LUIGI'S MANSION 2 - NINTENDO

11 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II - ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

12 FAR CRY 3 - UBISOFT

13 FIRE EMBLEM: AWAKENING - NINTENDO

14 THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM - BETHESDA SOFTWORKS

15 SONIC & ALL STARS RACING TRANSFORMED - SEGA

16 LEGO BATMAN 2: DC SUPER HEROES - WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE

17 HITMAN ABSOLUTION - SQUARE ENIX EUROPE

18 SKYLANDERS GIANTS - ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

19 ALIENS: COLONIAL MARINES - SEGA

20 ASSASSIN'S CREED III - UBISOFT

21 GRAND THEFT AUTO EPISODES - LIBERTY CITY - TAKE 2

22 GOD OF WAR: ASCENSION - SONY COMPUTER ENT.

23 NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED - ELECTRONIC ARTS

24 SNIPER: GHOST WARRIOR 2 - CITY INTERACTIVE

25 TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 1 - ELECTRONIC ARTS

26 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV - TAKE 2

27 LEGO THE LORD OF THE RINGS - WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE

28 SLEEPING DOGS - SQUARE ENIX EUROPE

29 WWE '13 - THQ

30 GEARS OF WAR: JUDGMENT - MICROSOFT

31 RED DEAD REDEMPTION: GOTY - TAKE 2

32 SIMCITY - ELECTRONIC ARTS

33 ARMY OF TWO: THE DEVIL'S CARTEL - ELECTRONIC ARTS

34 JUST DANCE 4 - UBISOFT

35 DEAD ISLAND GOTY EDITION - KOCH MEDIA

36 FOOTBALL MANAGER 2013 - SEGA

37 DISHONORED - BETHESDA SOFTWORKS

38 DEADLY PREMONITION: THE DIRECTOR'S CUT - RISING STAR GAMES

39 THE SIMS 3 - ELECTRONIC ARTS

40 CRYSIS 3 - ELECTRONIC ARTS

 

I'm surprised to see the Chase begins enter at 8th. Luigi still doing well in 10th and Fire Emblem has done better than I thought so far 3rd at release & 13th now from last week.

[liger05]

I'm surprised to see the Chase begins enter at 8th. Luigi still doing well in 10th and Fire Emblem has done better than I thought so far 3rd at release & 13th now from last week.

 

INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US bombed on the Wii U!!

[Daft]

Shame, it's a fucking awesome game. Hardly a surprise though, since no one even talks about it on this forum.

[Serebii]

Shame, it's a fucking awesome game. Hardly a surprise though, since no one even talks about it on this forum.

Plus the fact that it was a poor port, with no DLC and compressed to hell videos

[Daft]

Who did the port? I've not seen anything saying the Wii U version was poor.

[Captain Falcon]

Fighting games live and die by their communities - it's not a solo experience where it ultimately doesn't matter what machine you're running on. It's about playing together with people and since getting people together in the same room requires a lot of planning, it ultimately comes down to the online. And the vast majority of the fighting community will have an Xbox and/or PS3 with a long list of known contacts they can face against as well as the wider audience of gamers out there. It's been built up by Street Fighter 4, MvC3, Mortal Kombat 9, Virtua Fighter 5, Tekken 6, etc and the idea that they would all rush out and buy a new console for a game they could get on their existing machines for which they have expensive controllers already is preposterous as sales of TTT2 demonstrated.

 

All credit to Netherealm and WB for even bothering with the Wii U version in the first place. No links to the iOS game won't bother anyone and compressed videos are hardly an issue even if the single player mode does feature a greater emphasis on story, like MK9 - some reports have the Wii U version featuring the quickest load times. The Wii U version could have been the best by some note but it wouldn't have made a difference - just like it being a slightly weaker version won't have made a difference either.

 

Poor sales are nothing to do with it's quality as a piece of software and far more to do with it's target platform. The community will likely stay where they are until a massive hitter lands on the next wave of machines and the only one with enough clout to shift them will likely be a new Street Fighter. Fighting games are starting to lose their new found popularity again and that's the series that I feel has the widest appeal to reach outside the hardcore fighting game crowd to bring new people in. At which point they will move on mass assuming they don't end up going the PC route.

 

Nintendo and fighting games haven't really gone together since the SNES.

[Hero-of-Time]

Who did the port? I've not seen anything saying the Wii U version was poor.

 

These Wii U sites rate it highly.

 

http://wiiudaily.com/2013/04/injustice-gods-among-us-review/

 

http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/wiiu/injustice_gods_among_us

 

The main negative point seems to be the lack of ability to play with friends online.

[lostmario]

INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US bombed on the Wii U!!

 

How do you know that?

 

They wouldn't show it separately for the Wii U, it'd be included with the other versions in the sales chart Demo posted.

[Captain Falcon]

How do you know that?

 

They wouldn't show it separately for the Wii U, it'd be included with the other versions in the sales chart Demo posted.

 

It placed number 5 on the Wii U individual chart and that's not exactly a tough one to get to the top of. Sonic was top, likely due to discounted sales, then Lego City, NSMBU, NintendoLand and Injustice in fifth and yet LCU doesn't make it into the top 40 so the contribution of the Wii U version of Injustice would be negligible.

[Daft]

These Wii U sites rate it highly.

 

http://wiiudaily.com/2013/04/injustice-gods-among-us-review/

 

http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/wiiu/injustice_gods_among_us

 

The main negative point seems to be the lack of ability to play with friends online.

 

Eh, there's so much single player content in Injustice it's bordering on ridiculous but I'm not really bothered about online fighters. I don't plan to play it online on my PS3. I have played it locally and it's a crap load of fun.

[khilafah]

How do you know that?

 

They wouldn't show it separately for the Wii U, it'd be included with the other versions in the sales chart Demo posted.

 

dude it never made the individual top 40.

 

Its a bomba no doubt!

 

Week 17, 2013 - Individual Formats (Units)

 

01 (NE) 360 DEAD ISLAND: RIPTIDE (KOCH MEDIA)

02 (NE) PS3 DEAD ISLAND: RIPTIDE (KOCH MEDIA)

03 (01) 360 INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)

04 (02) PS3 INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)

05 (NE) 360 DRAGON'S DOGMA: DARK ARISEN (CAPCOM)

06 (NE) 3DS LEGO CITY UNDERCOVER: THE CHASE BEGINS (NINTENDO)

07 (NE) 360 STAR TREK (NAMCO BANDAI GAMES)

08 (NE) PS3 DRAGON'S DOGMA: DARK ARISEN (CAPCOM)

09 (07) 3DS LUIGI'S MANSION 2 (NINTENDO)

10 (06) 360 TOMB RAIDER (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

11 (04) 360 BIOSHOCK INFINITE (TAKE 2)

12 (08) PS3 TOMB RAIDER (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

13 (03) 3DS FIRE EMBLEM: AWAKENING (NINTENDO)

14 (NE) PS3 STAR TREK (NAMCO BANDAI GAMES)

15 (05) 360 DEFIANCE (TRION WORLDS)

16 (09) 360 FIFA 13 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

17 (12) 360 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)

18 (13) PS3 GOD OF WAR: ASCENSION (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)

19 (10) PS3 BIOSHOCK INFINITE (TAKE 2)

20 (18) 360 THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)

21 (11) 360 GEARS OF WAR: JUDGMENT (MICROSOFT)

22 (14) PS3 FIFA 13 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

23 (19) 360 FAR CRY 3 (UBISOFT)

24 (17) PC SIMCITY (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

25 (__) PS3 HITMAN ABSOLUTION (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

26 (28) 360 GRAND THEFT AUTO EPISODES - LIBERTY CITY (TAKE 2)

27 (24) PC FOOTBALL MANAGER 2013 (SEGA)

28 (__) 360 ALIENS: COLONIAL MARINES (SEGA)

29 (NE) PC DEAD ISLAND: RIPTIDE (KOCH MEDIA)

30 (33) 360 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV (TAKE 2)

31 (26) PS3 FAR CRY 3 (UBISOFT)

32 (NE) PS3 DEADLY PREMONITION: THE DIRECTOR'S CUT (RISING STAR GAMES)

33 (25) PS3 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)

34 (23) 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT)

35 (15) 360 TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

36 (__) WIU SONIC & ALL STARS RACING TRANSFORMED (SEGA)

37 (16) 360 HALO 4 (MICROSOFT)

38 (22) WII JUST DANCE 4 (UBISOFT)

39 (38) XB360 HITMAN ABSOLUTION (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

40 (34) PC THE SIMS 3: UNIVERSITY LIFE (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

[Helmsly]

Apparently HMV had a £7.99 sale for Sonic All Stars Transformed for Wii U which might explain its sudden jump into the Individual Formats at 36

[khilafah]

Apparently HMV had a £7.99 sale for Sonic All Stars Transformed for Wii U which might explain its sudden jump into the Individual Formats at 36

 

yeah i picked it up for my mate.

[Serebii]

3DS LL 37,536

Vita 21,399

3DS 17,897

PS3 14,682

Wii U 8,262

PSP 7,536

Wii 1,660

Xbox 360 490

[Daft]

Nice to see Vita sales have kind of stabilized. Can't really think of any games coming out that will appeal to Japan, though.

 

Sony better have stuff to show at E3 or they can go suck a fuck. Last year, the Vita no-show (apart from an actually alright showreel they didn't release until after their conference, but most people missed) was ridiculous.