Diageo Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 So you're not going to answer my question? Diageo, doing that wouldn't benefit anyone except the mafia. Who said I'm an alignment cop anyway? I don't see how it would benefit the mafia at all.
The Peeps Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 If the mafia had a list of people who are confirmed good, they have no use for those players. They can't make them look suspicious because they're confirmed good. I think it was the Star Wars mafia where there were a few confirmed as good players and they were killed off one by one.
Diageo Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 We can focus on the suspicious players instead of wasting our energy on players that are good and then having you come in halfway through and tell us they are good. And then half the day is wasted.
The Peeps Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I think EEVILMURRAY is pretty damn suspicious if that helps?
Mr-Paul Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Yep, I can definitely recall it being like that in the Star Wars mafia, because I was evil and we almost won because no-one left alive had a good investigation, we were only stopped by me being stuck on a train from Brighton in the snow. Eevil, why the fuck would you roleblock Peeps when you knew that he was the one who got ReZ lynched. You got some explaining to do mister. VOTE: EEVILMURRAY.
Diageo Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Well, the fact that he claims to have roleblocked you, whether it happened or otherwise, deserves a vote. Vote: Eevilmurray
heroicjanitor Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Did you have a reason for blocking him?
Jonnas Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 A list of confirmed townies wouldn't be good for the mafia at all, they're going to pick townies apart one by one anyway, with a list of confirmed townies, the town can actually start to get somewhere. The fact that eevil outright confessed to roleblocking The Peeps is odd, if he was mafia. Peeps seemed to be bluffing about his info on me, and his question was, frankly, off to begin with. Furthermore, he claims he is not an alignment investigator...in a minimal/vanilla mafia, where investigators (should they exist) should see nothing except alignments. Eevil actually gave a justification, as bizarre it was, for his roleblocking powers, and the logic behind lynching Rummy was sound. What I'm trying to say is, The Peeps is sounding far more suspicious than Eevil right now, and the only reason I'm not voting for him right now is because he did get ReZ lynched (and even that is not 100% proof of his innocence.)
EEVILMURRAY Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Vote: EEVILMURRAY Doesn't really answer my question, but thanks? Eevil, why the fuck would you roleblock Peeps when you knew that he was the one who got ReZ lynched. You got some explaining to do mister. My suspicion lies in him not wanting to vote for Rummy due to "not being convinced" [which personally always feels like a "too vague" term in a mafia game] Granted Rummy turned out to be town which was well unfortunate because I thought I really had something good going on. But the moment Peeps starts asking Jonnas questions as to his win conditions/alignment, as if he'd investigated him last night sent alarm bells ringing, as I know I blocked him last night. But instead of explaining himself he simply votes for me? This appears most suspicious and demands a return vote: Vote: The Peeps
Mr-Paul Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I didn't vote for Rummy either. Want to vote for me too?
EEVILMURRAY Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I didn't vote for Rummy either. Want to vote for me too? Maybe tomorrow if I'm still around.
Diageo Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Eevilmurray and Jonnas. You bitches be crazy. I have a strange feeling I'm gonna die tonight, dunno why. So my suspect list is Nintendohnut, Eevilmurray and Jonnas.
DuD Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I too find it odd that you'd roleblock someone that appears capable to identify mafia??! The only ways The Peeps could do this is... 1) He is an alignment investigator 2) He can track who people target, targetted ReZ and found ReZ to have targetted Zell on night 2 - but thats a bit luke warm for a definate lynch as he urged, as someone else could have made the kill. 3)He is Mafia, and they decided to sacrifice ReZ in order to make The Peeps appear good and allow him to run the town in circles. I'm not saying Peeps is Mafia, but just a thought.. That post is meant to question EEVILMURRAY, but just saying Peeps.. im not 100%convinced.
Mr-Paul Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I really don't think the mafia would sacrifice one of their own. Losing even one person makes winning a whole lot harder.
DuD Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I was just saying.. it is one of the possible ways The Peeps could have known ReZ to be mafia. The only other way (option 4) is if he didn't know ReZ was mafia and he just struck lucky. Again though (along with option 3), this scenario is pretty unlikely. Basically, this is going back to EEVIL.. Why the roleblock???? when our info points to The Peeps having an important town role. It doesnt make sense?
Diageo Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I don't think a mafia member has ever been sacrificed for trust.
Jimbob Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Revealing the roles and alignments of people would benefit both Mafia and Town, in both good and bad ways. The way things are going at the moment, both Peeps and Murray are sounding suspicious to me. Both are acusing each other of being mafia, and both are acting strange/suspicious as well. I know i've said that word twice now, but it seems to be the only one i can use. Murray roleblocked, and so far hasn't given an explanation to satisfy myself at the moment. Peeps has voted without explanation as to why he asked for role information. I'll vote later, need to give it some thought.
The Peeps Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I honestly don't get how anyone could find me suspicious lol. EEVIL's actions: 1.roleblocked Rummy - thinks Rummy is mafia due to no nightkill 2.roleblocked Rummy again - thinks Rummy is mafia due to a nightkill 3.roleblocked Peeps - thinks Peeps is mafia due to ??? Peeps' actions: 1. GOT A MAFIA LYNCHED. 2. got roleblocked. Who is more likely to be mafia here? EEVIL you're the one who needs to explain yourself. Why roleblock me after I outed ReZ? I was asking Jonnas questions. I didn't accuse Jonnas at all. I didn't even say I targeted Jonnas. EEVIL you have no excuse to vote for me and no excuse to roleblock me. You pushed for Rummy's lynch and he turned out to be town and now you're going for me after I got ReZ lynched? What a joke.
DuD Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 I was only saying it is one of the four ways i can see that Peeps was able to identify ReZ. For me, the only option that makes sense for Peeps to urge a vote would be option 1.. that he is an alignment cop. That is why i've put the question to EEVIL! I dont understand why he would block him in the first place (if he's town), but then i also dont understand why he'd admit to it unecessarily either? He (EEVIL) was pretty quick to jump to Jonnas' defence, and incriminate himself in the process?!
The Peeps Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 A list of confirmed townies wouldn't be good for the mafia at all, they're going to pick townies apart one by one anyway, with a list of confirmed townies, the town can actually start to get somewhere. As I (and mr-paul) have stated, the mafia can pick off the 'confirmed good' townies to leave us with players we're all suspicious of. Yes the town could get some benefit but I don't like the cost. Furthermore, he claims he is not an alignment investigator...in a minimal/vanilla mafia, where investigators (should they exist) should see nothing except alignments.Eevil actually gave a justification, as bizarre it was, for his roleblocking powers, and the logic behind lynching Rummy was sound. I never said I wasn't an alignment investigator. I obviously am. EEVIL's logic for voting for Rummy sounded off to me. Fair enough he roleblocked Rummy on a night where there was no kill but he tried to use his second roleblock of Rummy as evidence too which felt like too much to me. Rummy seemed good in my opinion so I didn't want to stick a vote down. I knew I couldn't stop the lynch so I didn't bother writing much more than that. I questioned you about your win condition because the wording of my PM made it seem like you could've been neutral. I wasn't told I was stopped but I knew that was also a possibility. I suspect you of being mafia anyway so I wanted to see what you'd say if I asked what your win condition is... you've still not said by the way and I see no reason for you not to. EEVIL needs to explain why he roleblocked me... unless it's the weak 'he didn't vote for Rummy' excuse he's already used in which case my vote stays on.
Jimbob Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 I'm going to wait Mr Murray's response before i pass judgement, at the moment he is sounding suspicious to me.
Jonnas Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 II dont understand why he would block him in the first place (if he's town), but then i also dont understand why he'd admit to it unecessarily either? He (EEVIL) was pretty quick to jump to Jonnas' defence, and incriminate himself in the process?! This is exactly why I don't think Eevil's mafia. It's suicide, it's worse than sacrificing a team member to gain trust, because there's no gain to it, other than to get a townie lynched (the townie being me in the long run, not Peeps the Investigator). Since sacrificing a team member for eternal trust is more sensible than the mafia roleblocker committing suicide for nothing, there are better odds of Peeps being mafia than Eevil being mafia. But they're still pretty minimal, both. As I (and mr-paul) have stated, the mafia can pick off the 'confirmed good' townies to leave us with players we're all suspicious of. Yes the town could get some benefit but I don't like the cost. The town gets a huge benefit by writing off several people as suspects. The mafia...get their hit-list reorganized They're going to pick off the "confirmed good" townies, as opposed to what? Hell, if their killing schedule becomes predictable, that's much better for the protectors! I never said I wasn't an alignment investigator. I obviously am. Well, you're so vague and ambiguous about it, not to mention you didn't exactly share your non-guilty results... Doubts arise, man. EEVIL's logic for voting for Rummy sounded off to me. Fair enough he roleblocked Rummy on a night where there was no kill but he tried to use his second roleblock of Rummy as evidence too which felt like too much to me. Rummy seemed good in my opinion so I didn't want to stick a vote down. I knew I couldn't stop the lynch so I didn't bother writing much more than that. Not "too", his second roleblock was the night where there was no kill. The first one was just Eevil saying he roleblocked Rummy and him not confirming. I questioned you about your win condition because the wording of my PM made it seem like you could've been neutral. I wasn't told I was stopped but I knew that was also a possibility. I suspect you of being mafia anyway so I wanted to see what you'd say if I asked what your win condition is... you've still not said by the way and I see no reason for you not to. See, now this is interesting... What sort of answer were you expecting from me in the first place? I'm also wondering how could a PM in this game be ambiguous.
Mr-Paul Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 For me, I think the protectors may know by now who the townies are they need to protect, like the Peeps. In a way, it would be good if Peeps said who he knows to be good, but while he is alive and protected, all he needs to do if a lynch is going the wrong direction is pop up and say "hey guys, wait a second, he's good, here's why". That's just as useful as having a list of confirmed townies, and that way it doesn't help the mafia at all.
EEVILMURRAY Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 EEVIL you're the one who needs to explain yourself. Why roleblock me after I outed ReZ? EEVIL needs to explain why he roleblocked me... unless it's the weak 'he didn't vote for Rummy' excuse he's already used in which case my vote stays on. Christ alive dude, calm down. To begin with the "not voting for Rummy" didn't mean much to me to begin with, as others didn't. But I also gave another reason which you didn't mention. I questioned you about your win condition because the wording of my PM made it seem like you could've been neutral. I wasn't told I was stopped but I knew that was also a possibility. I suspect you of being mafia anyway so I wanted to see what you'd say if I asked what your win condition is... you've still not said by the way and I see no reason for you not to. This I know to be a complete lie (unless we have a redirector who wishes to make themselves known?) since I roleblocked you. You should have no information on Jonnas and as such no basis to question him on. This stab in the dark approach to try and paint someone in a corner simply doesn't work when your actions for that night have been blocked.
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