Posted May 9, 2011 I find your need to pigeonhole her into a gender role offensive. It's obvious that society has conditioned you to need to know gender so that you can make assumptions. It's not easy being this angry at the world all the time. I hope you people appreciate what I'm doing for you. Martyrdom FTW. I could also ask if they feel they are transgendered, whether that is pre-op or not. Or whether they feel they is something else they define themselves by. Then we can also get into their sexuality - hetrosexual, homosexual, asexual, pansexual...I could go on. <3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 pansexual? What's that? *gets visions of scenes from Pan's Labyrinth* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 pansexual? What's that? *gets visions of scenes from Pan's Labyrinth* Bisexuality for hipsters. (It basically means bisexuality but also including attraction to transgendered people, which I find kind of stupid because it gives the assumption that bisexual people have a dislike for transgendered.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 (It basically means bisexuality but also including attraction to transgendered people, which I find kind of stupid because it gives the assumption that bisexual people have a dislike for transgendered.) Surely it also implies that trans are different, whereas I assume that someone who is attracted to trans is pro-trans and would therefore class them as the gender they choose and not see them as a separate gender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 Surely it also implies that trans are different, whereas I assume that someone who is attracted to trans is pro-trans and would therefore class them as the gender they choose and not see them as a separate gender. Exactly. I understand some of the reasoning, as "bisexual" suggests that there are only 2 types of gender, but really I think we need to stop the constant stream of new labels. It seems to be a bit of a contradiction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 Bisexuality for hipsters. (It basically means bisexuality but also including attraction to transgendered people, which I find kind of stupid because it gives the assumption that bisexual people have a dislike for transgendered.) Why stop there, why have heterosexual and homosexual at all? Pansexuality refers to being 'gender blind'. It encompasses a sexuality that goes beyond just physical attraction, too. To be completely honest, it's probably a better term than bisexual since, as you said, that reinforces gender binaries. If people want to self identify as pansexual, then why not? You can't just accept some labels and think others are stupid because they are all socially constructed. Calling it 'bisexuality for hipsters' just undermines the identity and is actually quote offensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 Why stop there, why have heterosexual and homosexual at all? Pansexuality refers to being 'gender blind'. It encompasses a sexuality that goes beyond just physical attraction, too. To be completely honest, it's probably a better term than bisexual since, as you said, that reinforces gender binaries. If people want to self identify as pansexual, then why not? You can't just accept some labels and think others are stupid because they are all socially constructed. Calling it 'bisexuality for hipsters' just undermines the identity and is actually quote offensive. Thank U, India. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) Why stop there, why have heterosexual and homosexual at all? Pansexuality refers to being 'gender blind'. It encompasses a sexuality that goes beyond just physical attraction, too. To be completely honest, it's probably a better term than bisexual since, as you said, that reinforces gender binaries. If people want to self identify as pansexual, then why not? You can't just accept some labels and think others are stupid because they are all socially constructed. Calling it 'bisexuality for hipsters' just undermines the identity and is actually quote offensive. Well that "bisexuality for hipsters" thing was quite clearly me just being stupidly offensive for the sake of it, hence why I explained it better underneath. I find the distinction between Bi and Pan kind of offensive myself as I've stated above, as it suggests things about Bisexuals and Transgendered people that they probably don't want. (And I won't even go into the whole debate about "offense" and what the fuck it actually means. Whose offense is more legitimate? Who fucking cares?) I really, really understand the idea of Pansexuality and do think technically it is a better word than Bisexual, but I find the contradiction in the Queer community interesting where half the time everyones "we don't need labels for love, our love is no different to yours" while also bringing out a new label for ourselves every couple of weeks. I don't have a problem with people identifying however they like, just find it an interesting "digging ourselves a hole" scenario. Thingy. Yeah... Edited May 10, 2011 by Hamishmash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 At the end of the day, within a group of people you're always going to have contradictions. Just deal, and strive to be the most fierce/fabulous / the best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 @Mad monkey: Have you died your hair? I'm sure it was darker in the last photo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 ...whoops. Anyway, I should have gone into descriptions, but I assumed people might have googled them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 10, 2011 @Mad monkey: Have you died your hair? I'm sure it was darker in the last photo. No, must be the lighting, not dyed my hair in a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2011 Surely it also implies that trans are different, whereas I assume that someone who is attracted to trans is pro-trans and would therefore class them as the gender they choose and not see them as a separate gender. Ah ok, never heard that term before. Even tho i fit into that category, i'll still just call myself bi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2011 Well that "bisexuality for hipsters" thing was quite clearly me just being stupidly offensive for the sake of it, hence why I explained it better underneath. I find the distinction between Bi and Pan kind of offensive myself as I've stated above, as it suggests things about Bisexuals and Transgendered people that they probably don't want. (And I won't even go into the whole debate about "offense" and what the fuck it actually means. Whose offense is more legitimate? Who fucking cares?) I really, really understand the idea of Pansexuality and do think technically it is a better word than Bisexual, but I find the contradiction in the Queer community interesting where half the time everyones "we don't need labels for love, our love is no different to yours" while also bringing out a new label for ourselves every couple of weeks. I don't have a problem with people identifying however they like, just find it an interesting "digging ourselves a hole" scenario. Thingy. Yeah... It's definitely a good view on it, there's also gender queer and all sorts to think about when getting into this type of discussion, it's an interesting one and it's always difficult to find out what people actually define themselves as even when they come out with a label, because so many don't understand the terms themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2011 I want Hipster cat as a tattoo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2011 I'd be impressed if you could get it done well, wonder who would be able to do it in this country..hmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 11, 2011 You could try at the Tattoo Convention in September (there is probably several around the country, but I know there's one in London in Sept). "That's not just some guy I picked up in a dog bar. Paul and I are in a committed relationship." "Is he a cross dresser?" "Goodness no. Paul is a gender dysmorphic bigenetalian pansexuaaaal." (the 'pansexual' is obviously spelt phonetically there because Jenna always speaks naahhshuralee) Labels. Fun for all the family. Or something. It's slightly related. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 15, 2011 Masquerade party last night for a friend's 21st Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 16, 2011 Masquerade party last night for a friend's 21st That's so cool. Did you make that yourself? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 16, 2011 Na, bought it. If I made it myself, it'd be a square bit of cardboard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 16, 2011 That's a weird looking dummy. And the mannequin looks strange as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 16, 2011 Holding the Scott Pilgrim DVD in the shop it was filmed in: Outside the Second Cup from Scott Pilgrim: And hanging around in cloudy Toronto: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
