Mokong Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Gentleben said: The Blue Tether lens is'nt really that useful if you ask me, since it never works on boss ghosts, and the restore lens I don't use either- prefer to use normal healing items. Yeah I've had no desire to want to use the recover lens as I got a nice amount of herbs and water stocked up. I did use the tether lens though on the 1st and then the 2nd & 3rd Moruners just to be done with them faster and make sure they don't DR on as they always tend to do so Also I've found 4 more ghosts now for my list. 1 in the Osaka House (did you "investigate" a table to find a girl under it?) 2 in the big bridge area. Found by pure luck of deciding to run around a bit on the banks. And at the start of Chapter 6 I got a pic of "The Fleeing Twin" that I missed. Noticed that most instances of the Twin & Doll there was a pic for both, and you'd usually get both in one pic if both were in the view finders circle. But somehow I missed one as I only had "The Fleeing Doll" listed. All others have both so I shold have all those now. Bout half way in Chapter 6 and Ghost List at 82% now. EDIT Right halfway into Chapter 8 now on Nightmare mode and my Ghost List is not up to 87% Little tip for Chapter 7, if you haven't finished it yet, do a quick back track round the house after finding the Bell Key before using that key. There are 6 ghosts waiting to be found. They appear in two rooms, 3 in each room so make sure you save right away after finding that Bell Key. You can either try get all 3 in each room in one shot or use Type 90 film (if you can spare some) which reloads fastest so you can get them all in 2 or 3 shots in each room. Took me on my 3rd reload when I moved to the type 90 cause trying to get them all in the same frame with type 7 was doin my head in Edited July 24, 2012 by Mokong Automerged Doublepost
Mokong Posted July 25, 2012 Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Ok just finished Nightmare mode 1st let me say the Head Priest guy boss fight in Chapter 9 (before going down the tunnels) is a real bastard on Nightmare mode. He must have a ton of extra HP and films do less damage on harder modes (type14 = 17 damage, type61=30, type90=34...when double charged with butterfly lens.... these values same on all ghosts in Nightmare mode) and he not once showed a chance for a Shutter Moment or Fatal Frame so I couldn't get any extra damage done. Took me bloody ages to pick away at his health. I was aiming for the Shadow Festival ending too so I knew I had to drag out the Kusabi boss fight for 5 mins. Was so hard to resist getting combos on fatal frame moments I have a 5 mins countdown set on my watch so I'd when I could start fighting him for real instead of just trying to keep him at a distance. Got it done too. Liked that ending too. Reveal hidden contents For some reason I thought it might be a happy ending... though maybe on some level (at least they are together) it is happy As for my Ghost list. Well first I gotta say that I found a LOAD of new ghosts on Chapter 9. I realised that on both my previous plays I never did much or any backtracking in Chapter 9, so decided to run through EVERY single place that was available to me. Turns out on Chapter 9 Osaka house and the houses from Chapters 6 & 7 get locked out so can't re-explore those in Chapter 9 but I went everywhere else and found a good amount. If anyone needs some hints/guide for ghost hunting on Chapter 9 open the below spoiler Reveal hidden contents Inside Kureha Shrine (I had this one on my 1st play but thought I should mention as it easily missed) Inside the Decayed Tree In front of Kiryu House ("investigate" on the front window first) Inside the storehouse Near the big stone altar from the very start of the game... the tori gate there Inside the Kurosawa House then: In the Great Hall (where you first meet...and run from...the Kusabi) look at centre of room Doll Stand Room Masters Room the one with the book puzzle (go over by the little hidden room part of it.... you can't enter this part from the Altar room, it has to be from within the main part of Masters Room) And there's 3 ghosts in the cell too Also in the deep path I found 1 more pic After doing my usual "just run away" from all the Mourners I realised that is what I always did. If there was a hidden pic there I wouldn't have noticed cause the indicator would be busy glowing red for the Mourners. So I took the risk and went back up the path hoping maybe the Mourners won't respawn even though I didn't beat them. And the didn't respawn , I also found some Type Zero film in the hole in wall where you can see the part of the cave under the Osaka house and then a little back up after the stairs I found another photo, yay. So what is my Ghost List completion like after 3 play throughs? ............. ................................ .......................................................... ................................................ .................................................................................... ONLY FRAKKING 95% So bloody close I bet you were thinking I had 100% weren't you, kept you in suspense there didn't I.....didn't I? Gah can't believe I still missed some Wonder where the hell they are.... I might have to resort to looking for a guide or something. 5% is prolly something like 10 ghost photos or something, gah. I really want to move on and start my replay of Fatal Frame 4, especially as I only just realised I never finished it on Hard mode.... I started it but must have gotten distracted by a new game release and then forgotten I hadn't finished FF4 on Hard so I want to do that. (Incidently due to a glitch in FF4 you can only get 99% ghost list on that, some people think that Tecmo refused to fix this glitch and is maybe the reason (or part of) why it never released outside Japan) But damnit I'm so close to 100% on this and I must have OCD or something which is just urging me onto completing that list I suppose I could play on Easy mode since it;s the only mode I haven't played on, and that way I won't have to worry much (or at all) about the violent ghosts and just concentrate on finding those pics. Would also allow me to add another ending to my gallery. Still missing Promise and Abyss endings (I know I saw Promise already but that was from a reload after already getting Crimson Butterfly on my first play and obviously it didn't add Promise to my gallery as I didn't save and even if I did it would have erased Crimson Butterfly from the gallery) Yeah guess I could blitz it on Easy mode. Might still try looking for a ghost list guide too though just in case. Would really piss me off if I did it again and finished on 99% Still missing some unlockables too. After finishing on Nightmare I unlocked the "Infinte" camera part which gives unlimited ammo (not sure if this is for all film types...haven't started new file to test yet) "Optimal" part is still locked. And I now have all Outfits and accessories EXCEPT the Mario & Luigi outfits and the Eye Patch. Those all I'm missing. Edited July 25, 2012 by Mokong
Mokong Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 OH YEAH BITCHES The 5% of ghosts I was missing was 8 ghosts. Oh and also if anyone is wondering, the "Infinate" camera part enhancement I unlocked when I finished Nightmare mode does indeed work for ALL film types. It doesn't change the "Number" of film you have left to the infinate symbol but if you are using it and take a picture the number of film left doesn't decrease. So I was destroying ghosts on Easy mode with infinate Type Zero film and maxed out camera stats, haha. Most ghosts went down with one hit For anyone interested inside the spoiler tags is what made up my last 5% Reveal hidden contents 1st 3 I was missing the twin seeker the searcher fearful villager These where in Chapter 2, when you are in the room in Osaka House with the save lamp you can "investigate" the window, I never went close enough to it before to get the prompt for A to come up so always missed it. When you investigate it and Mio looks out it the 3 ghosts walk past. Managed to 2 of them with 1 shot and the 3rd in a 2nd shot just before they vanished. the sunken woman - whispering bridge -Can't believe I missed this one. Appears after you beat the Drowned Woman on the big bridge at the end of Chapter 2. How did I miss it? Cause every time I beat that boss I always just ran for the door to Kurosawa House. When I turned around this time a blue object appeared on the bridge. When I picked this up (which turned out to be stone for the radio) the indicator turned blue and I could take the picture. You HAVE to get it at this point as it must disappear and not be there in later chapters as I never saw the blue object on the bridge whenever I went over the bridge again on previous plays man beyod drape - kurosawa entranceway -This one is a tricky one. It only appears if you DON'T get (or see) the "Man Awaiting Ceremony" who appears if you try to use the double diamond key. I always used the key to open the door as soon as I returned to it, got Man Awaiting Ceremony, then went for "Footsteps In the dark" To get "Man Beyond Drape" you gotta NOT open the double diamond key door, walk toward main entrance where you'll see "Footsteps in the dark", examine the main door and then "Man Beyond Drape" appears. peeping child - corridor of contransts -Don't think I would have ever gotten this one if I didn't ask on the Gamefaqs board. I knew where he should have been, I examined that window loads of times on each play and never saw this ghost. Turns out you don't examine or investigate. Just look at the window with the camera and wait a while and he'll pop up....and even though I expected it he still made me jump, haha leaping woman - kiryu - tachibana passage - This is a VERY tricky one to get. Only becomes "active" after you beat the Broken Neck Woman at the Cemetary in Chapter 8. You then have to back track to the Kiryu house and to the Heaven Walkway (where one of the events scenes with Mayu is). Investigate on the rail and you'll see the ghost on the ground. You HAVE to do this in Chapter 8. As if you move onto chapter 9 first thinking "sure I'll get it on my way down in Chapter 9 anyway" you won't be able to get it as Kiryu house is locked out in Chapter 9. armless woman - korosawa parlour - This one you need the Sense attachment for. And appears in the same place as "Dangling Arm" in Chapter 4. Obviously I got the photo of Dangling Arm but never got this one. What you have to do is after taking the pic of Dangling Arm, DO NOT put away the camera, keep looking through the camera and walk closer to the circle alcove, after a bit teh Armless Woman jumps out and scares the bejesus out of you Unfortunately wish I could say I found them on my own but I didn't. I tried to find a guide but there aren't any (yet) with proper descriptions but found a video on that is a video of someone showing his 100% complete ghost list in the game. So from there I first worked out which ghosts I was missing and I could see from the vid which rooms the ghosts appear in. But I still didn't have all the info I needed to find them. As some of them needed certain conditions before they would appear, which I detailed in the above spoiler tag. So I ended up completing the list inside Chapter 8 and when I finished that Chapter I got told I unlocked the "Optimal" camera part enhancement. Didn't know what it is this does. The description is "Provides Optimal Photo taking conditions" or something like that....still didn't understand it. So before I did Chapter 9 I went to the Nightshop and bought and eqiupped it. By "Optimal Photo Conditions" it means your film is ALWAYS fully charged and you'll ALWAYS get a Fatal Frame, so you don't have to try wait for "the right moment" to get a fatal frame. As soon as you get a ghost in the viewfinder the fatal frame indicator flashes and doesn't stop Needless to say I was aiming for the "Promise" ending and beating the Kusabi in under 1 min was a nobrainer with this upgrade Also I thought I'd never manage to get the "Abyss" ending which is now the only one I'm missing. I figured I might not even bother as I've fought Sae before and teh AByss ending requires you make her Dark Return and she seemed impossible to beat in DR.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah I'm going back to the Lost Village with Infinate and Optimal equiped and I am so gonna blow that bitch away, haha. Oh and on finishing the game I unlocked teh Mario & Luigi outfits So in my quest for the Abyss ending I think I should use those Though I've still not unlocked the "eyepatch" accessory....weird, only thing not unlocked now. My easy mode run also only took me 3 hours 13mins, With a B+ rank, the infinate Type Zero film helped and I wasn't doing as much searching. Will prolly go for Abyss Ending on Nightmare and just try run through the game and not pick anything up and only use the camera to fight bosses. With the infinate and Optimal enhancements it shouldn't take too long
Mokong Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 More (or all) Fatal Frame 4 (Or Project Zero 4) related but figured best post in here. Just finished Chapter 8 (out of 12) on hard mode and finally unlocked the Zero Suit Outfit Yummy Also did anyone here know that there was (is) an Outfit that was in the Japanese version of Project Zero 2 Wii Edition but was removed from the European version. Outfits were bikinis, removed from the English versions cause Mio & Mayu are under 18 They should have just edited the manual and said they were 18 This is a screen from the PS2 version... couldn't find a screen from the Wii version
Mokong Posted August 19, 2012 Posted August 19, 2012 And there is Hard mode of FF4 finished... slightly disappointed that the Hard mode ending wasn't much different from the normal mode ending (and unfortunately there isn't multiple endings based on your in game actions like PZ2 has).... Now Nightmare mode or not to Nightmare mode, that is the question?.... Still have some Ghosts missing from my Ghost List (aside from the 6 glitched unpicturable ones of course) and 12 Dolls missing too (extra side quest in FF4 not in PZ2...which is odd you'd think they would have added it to the Wiimake of PZ2).... yeah I'll prolly do Nightmare mode too
Hero-of-Time Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 The game is now £19.99 on Game/Gamestation websites.
Fierce_LiNk Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 Hero-of-Time said: The game is now £19.99 on Game/Gamestation websites. 3 months ago, I would have been right on that. Damn you, backlog!
Hero-of-Time Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 I started playing this last night and man is it freaky! I've only finished the first chapter but I have jumped on several occasions already. The game constantly pushes you into situations where you are slowly opening a door or lifting up some sort of blanket. Most of the time there is just an item there, but on the odd occasion a freaky image appears. It's not all great though as I find the controls a little clunky. It's something I will get used to though. The main problem is adding waggle to turn around. Why they didnt have a quick turn button like in Resident Evil is beyond me. I keep trying to do it and then remembering I can't. Another minor niggle is the voice acting. It's not bad but I just think the voices don't match the characters in the game. I would have much preferred the original voices with the subtitles. The game has subtitles anyway so the option would have been nice. Speaking of Resident Evil, the game kinda reminds me of the old school games. It has slow tank like controls, freaky atmosphere and it even has files that are scattered around filling in the backstory. So, yeah, a few hiccups but I'm loving the atmosphere. I'm only playing it at night when its dark, so it may take a while to get through it.
david.dakota Posted September 9, 2012 Posted September 9, 2012 Nice timing for the bump. I started this a few days back; you cant fault the atmosphere - its incredibly realised, it claustrophobic, uncomfortable and downright terrifying (I'm glad others jumped, i don't feel such a woose now!). The controls are pretty ropey; while general character movement is pitched perfectly, the nunchuck shake to turn 180 is annoying. I'm also finding combat is let down by weird 'jumps' in movement; either my Wii Remote is dying or the game is overly twitchy - ultimately though, its not spoiling the experience. However, I'm feeling it would have been better if the whole series was ported to WiiU; the added visual flair and lifting the Gamepad to use the Camera Obscura would have been an incredible experience. I'd have snapped up the series in HD, with swanky camera gameplay.
Mokong Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 david.dakota said: The controls are pretty ropey; while general character movement is pitched perfectly, the nunchuck shake to turn 180 is annoying. I'm also finding combat is let down by weird 'jumps' in movement; either my Wii Remote is dying or the game is overly twitchy - ultimately though, its not spoiling the experience. Yeah the Camera controls can be hard to get used to as it is both controlled by the anologue stick and the pointer, which makes it feel weird first time you play. Just gotta learn to keep your wiimote still. In my recent replaying of Fatal Frame 4 I think I worked out why they've made teh camera control as it does in PZ2:Wii. Cause in FF4 the Wiimote only effects left and right movement (slightly) not up & down movement also like it does in PZ2:Wii. I think because the "dodge" ability is also mapped to Wiimote waggle, making the Wiimote control the camera more is Tecmo trying to prevent players getting "100% gauranteed" dodges like can be done in FF4. IE: In FF4 if you are surrounded by ghosts coming at you from all angles, you can just bring up the camera, focus on trying to photo one ghost and just waggle the Wiimote like crazy. So if another ghost comes at you from behind or the sides you'll dodge it as soon as it tried to attack if you keep waggling and it won't effect your aim. Where as in PZ2:Wii if you tried that the camera aim would end up all over the place. Also small tip for you guys new to the game, when you are getting a photo of a "non-violent ghost" if there is more than one, try to get both ghosts faces or heads in the capture circle so you'll get both ghosts added to your list from the 1 photo. :wink:
nekunando Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 If anyone is still interested in Project Zero 2: Wii Edition, it is £14.98 at GAME
RedShell Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 / nando / said: If anyone is still interested in Project Zero 2: Wii Edition, it is £14.98 Ooo yes, I'm still interested! / nando / said: at GAME Was interested.
dazzybee Posted September 23, 2012 Posted September 23, 2012 Anyone know if that's inshore?! Might pick it up if so. I have about £100 to spend in there
Mokong Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 RedShell said: Ooo yes, I'm still interested! Was interested. Red go get it, Halloween is approaching, be a good game to have for it :wink: dazzybee said: Anyone know if that's inshore?! Might pick it up if so. I have about £100 to spend in there Do they sell games offshore now?
dazzybee Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 Mokong X-C said: Do they sell games offshore now? It's where I get all my games...
RedShell Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 Mokong X-C said: Red go get it, Halloween is approaching, be a good game to have for it :wink:If they've got it instore for that price I'll get it. Never ordering online from GAME again though.
david.dakota Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 @RedShell - I seem to have missed an episode of "Shell Does Gaming". Whats happened with GAME? I completed this last night, and I have to say despite the wonky controls (would have easily been sorted with IR torch a la Shattered Memories) its a great game - terrifying in places. The atmosphere is perfect throughout, a real sense of dread and some incredible designs throughout. If I have one criticism of the game - Reveal hidden contents its the final boss, really, really weak with an upgraded camera. A few more attack patterns would have been a vast improvement. Considering the Master of Ceremony was able to conjour some priests, I am surprised how simple he was I'm sure I have said it before, but I really rather have seen Nintendo/Tecmo remake the series in HD for WiiU - hopefully, they'll still do that as the series seems perfect for a makeover.
Mokong Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 david.dakota said: @RedShell - I seem to have missed an episode of "Shell Does Gaming". Whats happened with GAME? I completed this last night, and I have to say despite the wonky controls (would have easily been sorted with IR torch a la Shattered Memories) its a great game - terrifying in places. The atmosphere is perfect throughout, a real sense of dread and some incredible designs throughout. If I have one criticism of the game - Reveal hidden contents its the final boss, really, really weak with an upgraded camera. A few more attack patterns would have been a vast improvement. Considering the Master of Ceremony was able to conjour some priests, I am surprised how simple he was I'm sure I have said it before, but I really rather have seen Nintendo/Tecmo remake the series in HD for WiiU - hopefully, they'll still do that as the series seems perfect for a makeover. Reveal hidden contents He's not the "real" final boss :wink: There's 6 possible endings, I assume you got the "cannon ending?" I think it called "Crimson Butterfly" in the gallery you'll have unlocked (you'll also find the worst ending in the gallery even if you've not seen it...you get that ending in the game by running away via teh shrine in the last chapter instead of trying to find your sister. If you wanna try the boss you fought again (I assume you saved before going underground) you can get a different ending if you beat the Kusabi in less than 1 minute (now that is a chalenge, you need to be perfectly spot on with Fatal Frame shots to get that. BUT for the "real" boss you need to have seen all 3 "events" in Chapter 8 and beat The Kusabi in under 5 mins, this gives you a new "Zero Chapter" after you beat the Kusabi. EDIT: Oh and just wondering, what percentage of your Ghost List did you have done after your first play?
david.dakota Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 @Mokong X\-C Reveal hidden contents Yeah, I got the Crimson Butterfly ending; thought its was a perfect ending to the story actually. Do the other endings elaborate on this, or offer an alternative ending? I can't recall what 'events' I may or may not have seen in Chapter 8 now, but my last save is right after the battle with the ceremony master; just before you head underground. I think my ghost list is 39% but I can't recall. I know I missed quite a few though - usually down to those wobbly controls.
RedShell Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 david.dakota said: @RedShell - I seem to have missed an episode of "Shell Does Gaming". Whats happened with GAME?Where do I start?! They've been going downhill for ages. Delivery times were becoming atrocious, with new releases frequently not arriving on release date, often the following week. The last couple of orders I placed with them both failed to appear, probably the fault of Royal Mail I hear you say, but I've not had problems with deliveries from any other online retailer. Plus, their lost parcel claim procedure is absolutely shocking, requiring you to print out a form, complete it by hand, scan it in and then e-mail it to them! They're a smelly company in my book, and I'd rather not have to deal with their bad odour ever again.
Mokong Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) david.dakota said: @Mokong X\-C Reveal hidden contents Yeah, I got the Crimson Butterfly ending; thought its was a perfect ending to the story actually. Do the other endings elaborate on this, or offer an alternative ending? I can't recall what 'events' I may or may not have seen in Chapter 8 now, but my last save is right after the battle with the ceremony master; just before you head underground. I think my ghost list is 39% but I can't recall. I know I missed quite a few though - usually down to those wobbly controls. Reveal hidden contents The other endings are just alternate endings and are very different. Would be worth replaying the game at least once, with the upgrades you'll have and some of the stuff you (might) have unlocked in the nightshop to buy you won't have much issues...unless you go for nightmare mode, you might get slowe down by some ghost fights then As for the 3 events in Chapter 8 they are different cut scenes that happen in certain places when you have your sister with you. They can be easy to miss. Depending on if you've seen all of them or not effects which endings you have a chance of getting. It's actually easy to miss them I only found one on my first play (wasn't really looking to find them all then) If you want to know where to go in chapter 8 then open this tag Reveal hidden contents At the Kiryuu House Projection Room at the Kiryuu House 2nd Floor Passage - The "Heaven Walkway", try to open the far door then walk back to Kiryuu house door at the Kurosawa House Bridge For the different ending conditions open here Reveal hidden contents Bad Ending - Run away through the Kureha Shrine in the last chapter (Even if you don't see this in game, it'll be placed in the video list) Crimson Butterfly - Don't see all the events and take longer than 1 minute to beat Kusabi Promise - Don't see the events and defeat Kusabi in under 1 minute. Shadow Festival - See the 3 Chapter 8 events and take longer than 5 minutes to defeat Kusabi (this ending is new for the Wii edition) Frozen Butterfly - See all 3 Chapter 8 events, beat Kusabi in under 5 minutes, walking down steps after will bring you to "Chaper Zero" then in the Boss there take longer than 2 minutes to beat the boss ("beating" it in under 2 mins will cause it to "Dark Return", you need need to beat it without the Dark Return to get this ending (also exclusive new ending for Wii) Hellish Abyss - See all 3 chapter 8 events beat Kusabi in under 5 minutes, walking down steps after will bring you to "Chaper Zero" then with the Boss there "beat" it in under 2 minutes so it Dark Returns then beat it again...also you can only hit it with Fatal Frame shots. (this ending was also included in the Xbox version but not the PS2 version) Note on the Hellish Abyss ending there...it is prolly the hardest ending to get because the Final Boss is frakking HARD. I only got it on my 4th play of the game after I had a 100% Ghost list which unlocks the final lens upgrade, can't remember what it called but it basically keeps your camera fully charged and makes every shot a fatal frame without needing to wait for the right moment. It was only with this lens that I could get the Abyss ending If your gonna give it a 2nd play I'd recommend aiming for the Frozen Butterfly ending, it is a mind fuck, haha. But the one you got already is the one that is considered cannon as in the 3rd game characters from this game appear in what shows that the Crimson Butterfyl ending is what actually happened. As for the ghost list I think that's decent for a first play, if you start a new game remember to use the night shop and buy and equip the camera function "sense" I think it called which lets you see some ghosts that you couldn't see before in your first play. Also when you start a new game you'll have the camera from the start so you'll be able to get pics of some ghosts that appear before you "find" the camera too. Edited September 25, 2012 by Mokong
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