So Bluray is beating HD-DVD then?

[Shift]

I dont actualy care which one ends up winning and becomes the next standard, i just want them to hurry up and decide.

 

I dont see the point in going out and buying a bluray or hd-dvd player when one of them could become absolete in a year or so.

 

Atleast with the DVD format war most of the DVD players played both formats, this time around youll be hard pushed to find a player that plays both HD-DVD and Blu ray, without costing a small fortune.

 

Also;

 

But then again, there were so many formats supposed to be dead by now but that are still rendered in use. We still use VHS to get our television shows recorded.

 

i think its safe to say that VHS is pretty much dead, most electronic stores dont sell them anymore, instead they sell DVD recorders (ugh!) and HDD recorders.

[Jasper]

i think its safe to say that VHS is pretty much dead, most electronic stores dont sell them anymore, instead they sell DVD recorders (ugh!) and HDD recorders.

 

Even our local supermarket offers three different kinds of VHS-tapes. It's still used a lot now, because DVD-recorders are expensive and not so easy to use and HDD recorders, well, they're even more expensive and limeted. VHS is long but dead, kiddo. And be sure that, in ten years, it'll be just as cool playing VHS-tapes as an LP is now.

[Shift]

You cant honeslty think that taping something is easier then setting a HDD recorder to record?

 

Taping on VHS = set the time to record and the time to stop recording, which its self can be a task if youre not use to the VCR, or entering the number, which you need to look in a TV guide for.

 

HDD Recorder = Go into the Channel listing menu (usualy one button), select from a list of current (and future) channels/shows, press select to record.

 

Also, you can get a pretty decent HDD recorder these days for around £150.

[Jasper]

You cant honeslty think that taping something is easier then setting a HDD recorder to record?

 

Taping on VHS = set the time to record and the time to stop recording, which its self can be a task if youre not use to the VCR, or entering the number, which you need to look in a TV guide for.

 

HDD Recorder = Go into the Channel listing menu (usualy one button), select from a list of current (and future) channels/shows, press select to record.

 

Also, you can get a pretty decent HDD recorder these days for around £150.

 

It's also a matter of being used. My aunt has a DVD-recorder, but doesn't know how to program it to tape something - and not a single person in their family can. With VHS, it's just pushing record on the right time. Yes, I know, it's dated - but it's got it's charm. Why do you think that VHS is dead? They said the same about CD when DVD was released. But ehre's a nice theory: everyone will keep using DVD's and CD's, because the DVD standard isn't the succesor of the CD - it complements it. DVD for video and CD for music. Replacing one of both is unneccesary and barely anyone knows what HD is, expect a buzz-word. Read the article link I posted earleir.

[Shift]

People preffer to use what they know, which is fair enough in my opinion.

 

Maybe dead was the wrong word, dieing would have been better.

 

VCR's are being phazed out, all be it not as quick as casset tapes got phazed out.

[Jon]

I scoff at certain people who belittle high definition. It's cute en all that you're going to stick with your Wii, but once your used to HD - there isn't any turning back.

[Jasper]

I scoff at certain people who belittle high definition. It's cute en all that you're going to stick with your Wii, but once your used to HD - there isn't any turning back.

 

The problem lies within the consumer not knowing wht the hell is high-defenition and what not. Right now, I'm happy with my non-HD. I don't feel the great need for watching HD and watching movies on my laptop has never annoyed me one bit, even though my laptop is high-defenition (not in the official sense, but you need 1024x768 pixels, wich is more than SD's) and the quality hasn't bothered my one bit. Consumers know the savvy word High-Defenition, yet they don't notice the difference at all. They were watching ordinary DVD's without upscaling on their HD-television, and they said it was HD - even though it isn't. People will barely care - they just want to say 'I've got HD'.

 

Mark my words: High-Defenition is the future. And by future, I mean future. The Wii is SD because in four years from now, there is HD at a lower price - and at that point people will buy HD and will know what it is. Back in the days that Nintendo announced they weren't going HD, I bet most of us didn't even know what the hell they were talking about. By the time Wii goes HD, it'll be cheap and great at the same time. but for now, most of us stick to SD - except you, videojunkies.

 

I seriously advise you to read this article on GamesIndustry.biz - it's accurate, right and it's plainly great. It's the best thing written on HD up to this point. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24033

 

And yes, I like HD, but no, I don't find it a defining feature. I find it more of a hassle, since you need to defend your lack of HD all the time, even though HD isn't really for all people yet...

 

Oh, and never claim that HD is the defining feature. It's an add, but I'm glad we've got television in the first place and I'm content with the quality right now, and use up my imagination to fill up the rest. Why does everyone want to downsize imagination?

 

I rest my case.

[That Guy]

I scoff at certain people who belittle high definition. It's cute en all that you're going to stick with your Wii, but once your used to HD - there isn't any turning back.

 

Yeah, I'm kinda like that now, although there is no way it's worth all the money it was not so long a go.

[Shino]

Wow, Jasper made a lot of sense now, I totally relate to what he said.

 

Most people (like my father), think this is a fad because they have HDTV (there was a rush for them in World Cup) but not a single channel that transmits an HD signal, and of course that only makes them look worse.

[mario_jr]

Yeah Jasper is right from the smart consumer point of view. Its like I said Nintendo might put out a new system sooner than Sony or Microsoft will put out theres. Why because it was cheaper to make, and they'er making a profit off every Wii they sell.

HD won't take off here for at least another 4 years, when most of the TV stations will have to make there move to digital frequency channels.

 

But none of this is relevant to the Video-Buff who has to have all the most high end up to date technology.

 

I found a good website that explains the basics.

http://www.avsforum.com/hdtvfaq/HDTV-FAQ.htm

Its alittle dated though.

[Jasper]

Yeah Jasper is right from the smart consumer point of view. Its like I said Nintendo might put out a new system sooner than Sony or Microsoft will put out theres. Why because it was cheaper to make, and they'er making a profit off every Wii they sell.

HD won't take off here for at least another 4 years, when most of the TV stations will have to make there move to digital frequency channels.

 

But none of this is relevant to the Video-Buff who has to have all the most high end up to date technology.

 

I found a good website that explains the basics.

http://www.avsforum.com/hdtvfaq/HDTV-FAQ.htm

Its alittle dated though.

 

I think I mentioned that only the videojunkies care. You're right about that, and they wouldn't be videojunkies if they didn't care - but still, the regular consumer outnumbers the videojunkies and that's what it's about. Now let's look at it for a second from Nintendo's point of view. If the regular, not-knowing consumer that doesn't want to spend to much money on their television and just enjoy what they can do and watch on it, than the regular consumer will like the low-priced, not-to-shabby-looking and known Wii. PS3 as well as 360 is aimed at those people who are willing to spend mountains of money to get the best out of their system. Now you have to ask yourself: who is getting outnumbered?

 

Oh, and good FAQ about HD, but the point is that the HD consortium should bring out official facts with all the necessary information for regular consumers. They didn't and as long as they don't, they'll be in trouble - the HD-buzz will be over sooner than they think if they don't change politics.

 

Just pointing that last hing out.

[Caris]

DVD upscalers for the win.

[BlueStar]

The great thing about the PS3 is unlike the PS2 which has a cack dvd player, The PS3 is actually a very good blu ray players, it's load times for example are far quicker than that of the Samsung stand alone one.

 

Compared to other first gen players. Once Asda start stacking them up for next to nowt with the new stuff like picture-in-picture that the PS3 can't do and improved load times (Which are crap at the moment across the board) you'll still be left with the Blu-Ray equivilant of the PS2 DVD player - Outdated, big, clunky, not worth what you paid for it and outshone by newer budget players. That's early adoption for you.

 

I scoff at certain people who belittle high definition. It's cute en all that you're going to stick with your Wii, but once your used to HD - there isn't any turning back.

 

I've been used to HD for years and years and years. PC games have been kicking out high definition for ages and no-one gave a monkeys. It's only when console makers decided it was a buzz word everything became OMGHDD future of gaming all new mega wow you've never lived you'll never go back to SD ever again blah blah.

 

I'll continue being cute for now, thanks.

[Caris]

Compared to other first gen players. Once Asda start stacking them up for next to nowt with the new stuff like picture-in-picture that the PS3 can't do and improved load times (Which are crap at the moment across the board) you'll still be left with the Blu-Ray equivilant of the PS2 DVD player - Outdated, big, clunky, not worth what you paid for it and outshone by newer budget players. That's early adoption for you.

 

Not really, the PS3 can have firmwire updates to improve any faults and the hardware seems fine.

 

So yes the early stuff will be dogey but that will get iron'd out via updates.

[Jon]

The load times for the PS3 are non exsistent. The load time for the Samsung BDP-1000 are over a minute.

[Dante]

When you hear Sony talking about how Blu-Ray discs are outselling HD-DVD, keep this in mind: none of them are selling very well. High-Def Digest has the first hard sales numbers we've yet seen for high-def movie discs, and amazingly, you can get into the Top Ten disc list in a given week by selling just eight hundred copies of your movie.

 

The Blu-Ray versions of X-Men 3, Fifth Element, and Babel all moved less than 900 copies each, and they were the 8th, 9th, and 10th best selling titles, respectively. The numbers, from Nielsen, were actually unveiled in a Sony report that touted the record-breaking sales of Casino Royale on Blu-Ray, which did over 28,000 copies that week. Below that, the dropoff was steep.

 

Wired

[That Guy]

So there you have it. Nothings decided yet, it's just Blu Ray finally had a film worth watching and HD DVD hasn't yet.

[Miharu]

I would want to just choose one format, but since both formats get different movies which interest me, I have no choice but to get both players in the future Here's hoping one of the formats die...

[Eddage]

So there you have it. Nothings decided yet, it's just Blu Ray finally had a film worth watching and HD DVD hasn't yet.

 

As far as I'm concerned Batman Begins, Jarhead, King Kong and Superman Returns are all worth watching!

[That Guy]

As far as I'm concerned Batman Begins, Jarhead, King Kong and Superman Returns are all worth watching!

 

Didn't word it well, I should have said a must have film. I really like V for Vendetta, and Van Helsing aswell. I've got King Kong on DVD although I want to watch it in High Def, forcing myself not to rebuy. I'm considering Serenity and Batman as well. So enough good films, just nothing massive.

[Jasper]

I would check the sales of standalone players more than the sales of discs. If the standalone players sell better (standalone, you fool, not PlayStation® 3), the disc sales will be in the same measerement. In the end it's all about how many living rooms these things pop into.

[Caris]

In the end it's all about how many living rooms these things pop into.

 

Er, so then why not include the PS3?

[Mikey]

Am I the only one who doesn't mind watching a normal DVD then?

[Jasper]

Er, so then why not include the PS3?

 

Because people don't buy a PS3 to see Blu-Ray movies. PS3 buyers are not guaranteed to actually buy Blu-Ray's, while the ones that buy a player are sure to buy at least one Blu-Ray. That's why I don't include them.

[Caris]

The way i see it.

 

PS3 makes Blu-ray.

Blu-ray makes PS3.

 

Think about it.