Zechs Merquise Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 lmao classic, rip gamecube.. definetly 1 of the weakest nintendo consoles imo bar about 5 or 6 games - Resident Evil 4 Zelda: Wind Waker Mario: Sunshine Super Monkey Ball 2 Mario Kart: Double Dash Pikmin 2 Complete bollocks, Metorid Prime, Battalion Wars, Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime Echoes, Final Fantasy CC, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Resident Evil, Resident Evil Zero, TimeSplitters 2, Killer 7, Rogue Leader, there are more as well, it was a great console, and I reckon the best Gamecube games were far better than the best PS2 games, the only thing I wnated on the other consoels was Halo and Halo 2.
Goron_3 Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Was that post serious? The GC is already dead. There no games being made for it, or released for it for that matter, since the wii is out and they are focusing their attention on that, moving any games they had for gc onto the wii. And that's beside the fact that you can get them for about £20 second hand. i meant it in the sense that people will still continue to play the games on the console. if i meant it the other way, of course its dead :P The games on the console will keep people entertained for a while longer. Also, I bet you all that Solitanze is single :P
KKOB Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Twin Snakes kind of is... not really cos its just a remake with extra bits chucked in.
fanman Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 not really cos its just a remake with extra bits chucked in. I said kind of is... only nintendo got the remake, and it is something that you would buy on top of the original.
Eddage Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 GONE to rest, i'll return within 24 hours. Please, for the love of god and for the sanity of this forum..... don't. Aaaaanyways, the Gamecube had some good games, no denying that, although off the top of my head the only ones I ever actually completed (that I can remember - I lost interest in a lot of games) are Rogue Leader, Luigi's Mansion, Starfox Adventures Super Mario Sunshine, Donkey Konga: Jungle Beat and I can't actually think of any more! Games I got bored with include Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 4, Wind Waker, arguable the 3 best games on the system (although obviously not for me)! You'll notice that the games I did complete were either released very early in the consoles life or are something different (Jungle Beat)! However I don't think this is a criticism of the Gamecube itself, but rather me losing interest in gaming as a whole, thank god for the Wii!
Zechs Merquise Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 not really cos its just a remake with extra bits chucked in. I would class that as one of the best games on the system, and it was an exlusive, as it was a vastly superior version of the original with new gameplay thrown in and great graphics. I loved it to bits.
solitanze Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 YOUR WAY TOO OBSESSED WITH SALES NUMBERS! your a gamer, you should be worried about how you can afford to buy the systems you want and get the games you've been dying to play for months sometimes years, each of the platforms have their own exclusive titles and when it comes to new IP Microsoft is doing amazingly well with the 360 atm. Just because a system of game doesn't sell doesn't mean its shit, Ocarina of Time didn't sell too much comparatively when it came out despite it being an amazing game, just one example of how you SHOULDN'T just read figures and decide which is better. You don't pick what films you see based on review scores, you don't decide your book purchases based on what the latest best seller is, why should you listen to gamerankings and believe that because loads of people buy a game it must be good-fact is would you say FIFA Street is a good game just because it sold well? It certainly doesn't, but if Nintendo wants Wii to be ultra successful and pick up the pieces of their shattered reputation that Nintendo GameCube greatly contributed to, they need some of these popular franchises or knock off substitute like games that fall within the same genres that Nintendo have droughts of for a number of years like RPGs such as Final Fantasy and REAL racing sims such as Gran Turismo, to have that balance of games that a Nintendo console hasn't had since Super Nintendo and satisfy gamers across the board. All i'm saying is that it wouldn't hurt Nintendo for games like GTA and Metal Gear Solid to compliment their existing line up of franchises. It would make them truly unstoppable and would give people really no reason to purchase a PS2/PS3. On a side note, i'd would never touch Fifa even if it had an average ratio of 99.9%, not exclusive, no purchase. I do seek second opinions for a lot of things including movies and books as well just as confirmation that I should invest my time and money into something, but not all the time though.
KKOB Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 All i'm saying is that it wouldn't hurt Nintendo for games like GTA and Final Fantasy to compliment their existing line up of franchises. It would make them truly unstoppable and would give people really no reason to purchase a PS2/PS3. GTA is coming to 360 with exclusive content and FF is starting to move back to Nintendo, i mean DQ IX is on DS now and FF XII sequel is on DS too.
solitanze Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 GTA is coming to 360 with exclusive content and FF is starting to move back to Nintendo, i mean DQ IX is on DS now and FF XII sequel is on DS too. Nintendo have been struggling in the console market for the past decade, these games appearing on DS and 360 will do very little to mend the wounds of being slashed by Playstation 2. The only benefit these games coming out on Xbox360 are for Nintendo is that it minimises PS3 sales. Its still not coming out on Wii though which is doing Nintendo a disservice and even if we do see these games, they'll be cheap inferior knock offs like Dragon Quest Swords and another Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. They won't be taken anywhere near as seriously as they aren't OFFICIAL SERIES games. They release games on DS as a safeguard where they know sales are strong. Wiis an unproven format that carries on the barriers GameCube established. They wouldn't dare release their OFFICIAL entries to their premier franchises, not unless Nintendo start flashing some of their fortune around and literally bribe these companies to gain support and thus really giving their competition a run for their money.
Eddage Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 The only benefit these games coming out on Xbox360 are for Nintendo is that it minimises PS3 sales. Its still not coming out on Wii though which is doing Nintendo a disservice and even if we do see these games, they'll be cheap inferior knock offs like Dragon Quest Swords and another Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. They won't be taken anywhere near as seriously as they aren't OFFICIAL SERIES games. They release games on DS as a safeguard where they know sales are strong. Wiis an unproven format that carries on the barriers GameCube established. They wouldn't dare release their OFFICIAL entries to their premier franchises, not unless Nintendo start flashing some of their fortune around and literally bribe these companies to gain support and thus really giving their competition a run for their money. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that Dragon Quest IX is an "official series game" as you put it. I don't think its coming out on any other platform!
KKOB Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Nintendo have been struggling in the console market for the past decade, these games appearing on DS and 360 will do very little to mend the wounds of being slashed by Playstation 2. The only benefit these games coming out on Xbox360 are for Nintendo is that it minimises PS3 sales. Its still not coming out on Wii though which is doing Nintendo a disservice and even if we do see these games, they'll be cheap inferior knock offs like Dragon Quest Swords and another Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. They won't be taken anywhere near as seriously as they aren't OFFICIAL SERIES games. They release games on DS as a safeguard where they know sales are strong. Wiis an unproven format that carries on the barriers GameCube established. They wouldn't dare release their OFFICIAL entries to their premier franchises, not unless Nintendo start flashing some of their fortune around and literally bribe these companies to gain support and thus really giving their competition a run for their money. Basicly i don't know what the fuck you have against Gamecube but you attribute anything negative about Nintendo to it or blame it on it. The 64 was the console that fucked up Nintendo dear lad not the Gamecube. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that Dragon Quest IX is an "official series game" as you put it. I don't think its coming out on any other platform! DS exclusive. CONFIRMED
solitanze Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that Dragon Quest IX is an "official series game" as you put it. I don't think its coming out on any other platform! DS exclusive. CONFIRMED It may be so but its wasted on a platform that doesn't need that game. It can do fine without it, Wii needs that sort of game. They should direct attention to their home console to avoid failing again.
KKOB Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 It may be so but its wasted on a platform that doesn't need that game. It can do fine without it, Wii needs that sort of game. They should direct attention to their home console to avoid failing again. errrr, its SquareEnixs decisions NOT Nintendo's.
Eddage Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 It may be so but its wasted on a platform that doesn't need that game. It can do fine without it, Wii needs that sort of game. They should direct attention to their home console to avoid failing again. And if the Wii does half as well as the DS then it'll get those games - they're not gonna start supporting the console with all guns blazing based on a months of sales!
solitanze Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 errrr, its SquareEnixs decisions NOT Nintendo's. But that goes back to what I was saying before. Nintendo have the opportunity to influence their decision and gain more support for their home console. Their not relishing that opportunity and instead just leaving developers to release limited inferior spin offs that won't draw the attention of fans of the official series. Their just not optimising their chances of success. And if the Wii does half as well as the DS then it'll get those games - they're not gonna start supporting the console with all guns blazing based on a months of sales! The problem is, sales just aren't going to be there. Not enough people will buy these experimentation games and will instead buy greater quantities of the popular multiplatform games and OFFICIAL series games. Third parties will AUTOMATICALLY assume that these games despite not being part of the official series will sell in excellent quantities just because it bears the name of their popular franchise. But gamers prefer to buy official installments of games in premier franchise series not spin offs. Their just not being aggressive enough Nintendo. ON A SIDE NOTE: Gotta attend to something all day, will be back within 24 hours or so to continue this discussion.
fanman Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Not enough people will buy these experimentation games. That's just laughable. Those games are what has made the DS what it is, and wii play is one of the top selling games so far on the wii.
solitanze Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 That's just laughable. Those games are what has made the DS what it is, and wii play is one of the top selling games so far on the wii. Its top selling for the fact it contains a free compilation of E3 reject games alongside an overpriced peripheral. Not the fact its a legitimately great game. How many of those experimentation games are from established franchises outside of Nintendo? Not many. The Console market is different. Its fine to have these games, but not in unison. They need to have OFFICIAL SERIES entries of premier established franchises other than Nintendos own franchises to cater for all people, to which currently they are not doing.
KKOB Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Its top selling for the fact it contains a free compilation of E3 reject games alongside an overpriced peripheral. Not the fact its a legitimately great game. How many of those experimentation games are from established franchises outside of Nintendo? Not many. The Console market is different. Its fine to have these games, but not in unison. They need to have OFFICIAL SERIES entries of premier established franchises other than Nintendos own franchises to cater for all people, to which currently they are not doing. just because nintendo doesnt have say a main final fantasy game doesnt mean that final fantasy lovers won't find something to cater for them.
fanman Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Its top selling for the fact it contains a free compilation of E3 reject games alongside an overpriced peripheral. Not the fact its a legitimately great game. How many of those experimentation games are from established franchises outside of Nintendo? Not many. The Console market is different. Its fine to have these games, but not in unison. They need to have OFFICIAL SERIES entries of premier established franchises other than Nintendos own franchises to cater for all people, to which currently they are not doing. I was refering to games like Brain Training and big brain academy. Non gamers are where the money is, and you don't get them in with "official series" such as zelda.
mcj metroid Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 It certainly doesn't, but if Nintendo wants Wii to be ultra successful and pick up the pieces of their shattered reputation that Nintendo GameCube greatly contributed to, they need some of these popular franchises or knock off substitute like games that fall within the same genres that Nintendo have droughts of for a number of years like RPGs such as Final Fantasy and REAL racing sims such as Gran Turismo, to have that balance of games that a Nintendo console hasn't had since Super Nintendo and satisfy gamers across the board. All i'm saying is that it wouldn't hurt Nintendo for games like GTA and Metal Gear Solid to compliment their existing line up of franchises. It would make them truly unstoppable and would give people really no reason to purchase a PS2/PS3. On a side note, i'd would never touch Fifa even if it had an average ratio of 99.9%, not exclusive, no purchase. I do seek second opinions for a lot of things including movies and books as well just as confirmation that I should invest my time and money into something, but not all the time though. wait a minute wern't you bitching about the lack of original games on the gamecube?so why would you want a 5th metal gear(assuming you mean a new one been made) and about 10th gta on the wii Its top selling for the fact it contains a free compilation of E3 reject games alongside an overpriced peripheral. Not the fact its a legitimately great game. How many of those experimentation games are from established franchises outside of Nintendo? Not many. The Console market is different. Its fine to have these games, but not in unison. They need to have OFFICIAL SERIES entries of premier established franchises other than Nintendos own franchises to cater for all people, to which currently they are not doing. but that's what they have.Nintendo has more than anyone.Mario.zelda,metroid etc.They don't have to be external
solitanze Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 I refer to the premier franchises other than the ones Nintendo feature on their consoles have. Mainly GTA and Gran Turismo that sell MANY units as per below. If Nintendo Wii gets GTA and/or a realistic racing sim, they'll be pretty well covered. Top 20 of Console Games of All time The 20 best selling console games, originally not bundled. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[32] Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[32] Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[81] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 12 million)(As of 2005)[83] Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[32] Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[73] Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[81] Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[73] Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[32] Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.34 million)[73] Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 8.6 million)[74] Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.51 million)[62] Donkey Kong Country (SNES - 8.30 million)[36] Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 2.06 million in Japan only,[37] 6.23 million in US only,[37] approximately 8.29 million) Pokémon Yellow (Game Boy - 3.16 million in Japan,[34] 5.10 million in US,[40] approximately 8.26 million) GoldenEye 007 (N64 - 8 million)[38] Super Mario Kart (SNES - 8 million)[32] Halo 2 (Xbox - 8 million)[97] Tomb Raider II (PS1 - 8 million)[32] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64 - 7.6 million)[33] Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games
Zechs Merquise Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 I refer to the premier franchises other than the ones Nintendo feature on their consoles have. Mainly GTA and Gran Turismo that sell MANY units as per below. If Nintendo Wii gets GTA and/or a realistic racing sim, they'll be pretty well covered. Top 20 of Console Games of All time The 20 best selling console games, originally not bundled. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[32] Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[32] Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[81] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 12 million)(As of 2005)[83] Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[32] Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[73] Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[81] Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[73] Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[32] Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 9.34 million)[73] Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 8.6 million)[74] Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.51 million)[62] Donkey Kong Country (SNES - 8.30 million)[36] Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 2.06 million in Japan only,[37] 6.23 million in US only,[37] approximately 8.29 million) Pokémon Yellow (Game Boy - 3.16 million in Japan,[34] 5.10 million in US,[40] approximately 8.26 million) GoldenEye 007 (N64 - 8 million)[38] Super Mario Kart (SNES - 8 million)[32] Halo 2 (Xbox - 8 million)[97] Tomb Raider II (PS1 - 8 million)[32] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64 - 7.6 million)[33] Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games Now that is interesting, although I'm sure when you take into account the two Gamecube incarnations of Zelda: OOT i'm sure it's sold more than 8 million.
solitanze Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 As evidenced by the all time best selling games not bundled, you can see the sort of position Nintendo can put themselves in, if they draw in a third party premier official series franchise or two like Grant Theft Auto [The best one to draw in] or Gran Turismo to COMPLIMENT their existing famous franchises without sacrificing core fundamental gameplay mechanics that make the games so popular in exchange for second rate gimmicky motion sensing control schemes, they'll be in an almost unstoppable position. I don't want to see GameCube part 2 and neither do most of you.
mike-zim Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 the cube had a good life but it is time for us to move on with our lives. we cant stand still we must advance as a race.
fanman Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 As evidenced by the all time best selling games not bundled, you can see the sort of position Nintendo can put themselves in, if they draw in a third party premier official series franchise or two like Grant Theft Auto [The best one to draw in] or Gran Turismo to COMPLIMENT their existing famous franchises without sacrificing core fundamental gameplay mechanics that make the games so popular in exchange for second rate gimmicky motion sensing control schemes, they'll be in an almost unstoppable position. I don't want to see GameCube part 2 and neither do most of you. So you expect a first party sony game and a game that contradicts the whole philosophy of the wii to suddenly appear on it?
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