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All these are things that we would have to talk over. At the moment i'm actually thinking it would be put on every game that qualifies, regardless of sales. We would give the seal as the games goes Gold. Now the problem is, how do we know it is good? Well one of the most important things isn't how brilliant the game is, but the effort put into it. An original risky 80% game is more worthy than a 90% FPS sequel. An effort is something we can see without playing the game. Credibility. I reckon if you go around gaming websites, the media, and developers and tell them our cause, they'll want to help. Remember Cassamassinia's (?) pleas for people play Zack and Wiki? Now why wouldn't he want to help for the same reasons. It can work, but it'll require some effort. Right now I need to talk to some people who have experience with websites (making for them, paying for them). Please drop me a PM if you don't mind helping.

Well here is somewhat of a preliminary plan. 1. We need to set up a small website or area where we can discuss (I don't want to be bombing N-Europe) 2. Those here who want to help will verify a plan on those forums 3. We certify the criteria for the award 4. We set a structure. We'll need the members of the board, forums moderators, people to go around forums spreading the word and bringing people in. People to contact media like IGN (some will eat it up I think), people to get in contact with publishers and developers. Spread the word. 5. Insert into our signatures a small thing about the award so people know we listen to it. 6. Begin the process 7.??? 8. Profit So the first thing we need to know is where can we set up camp?

Again, someone may have a better idea, but my idea was such. You'd have the forum of gamers, and any one of them could suggest a game for nomination. If it is fesibile (i.e. not crap or uber-popular) then a thread is made, where debate would take place between anyone who wants to help. People would argue over whether its worthy, if enough effort has been pored into it, if it requires the award, if it fits the criteria etc. The a panel of...say 11 decide based on the points raised whether it should get the award (which I think it would be cool to turn into a podcast as well. This panel would be made of of well-informed, trustworthy, non-bias gamers. If anyone has a better way, please say.

This is one of the reasons I want to get a group of people together. Personally I think it should just be games that are predicted to sell badly. Otherwise the seal would become diluted. But then again if people think otherwise than we do so. The eventual aim (and this is optimistic) would be so it is printed on the front of the box. But ofcourse this would take time. Initially the idea would be to market it virally on the internet, through sites and magazines, and ofcourse to the publishers. If you make it so the community who decides what games receive the award big enough, people will take notice.

We'll be seeing it at E3.

Hell yeah, this is a market wide thing. Every console has games that should sell but doesn't, has games that should receive sequels but don't. When I've got the time i'll PM my e-mail to a couple of people.

Alright, rant+idea, get comfortable. When Good Games go Un-played This is a disease that all entertainment industries suffer from, good work goes under appreciated. At the moment i'm looking at Prime 3, No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki. Games that far too few people played, it's a crime. Why? I see two reasons. Either a lack of/bad marketing or an unattractive image. And it matters. When games don't sell they don't get made. Shenmue 3 will never be seen because the first two didn't sell. That right there is a sad, sad truth. I don't need to explain this too much, you all know it is a problem. Is There Something We Can Do? Maybe. I'll get straight the point. A "Gamer's Seal of Approval". A widespread internet based initiative that awards good games with a certificate of merit. The Gamers themselves (us) decide developers that should be recognised, credited, for their effort in developing games. Similar to the Nintendo seal of approval, the aim would be two-fold. Firstly an extra marketing initiative that could be utilized by publishers to help sell the game. If they want it they can put it right on the box. Secondly it would let developers know that their work is being appreciated, that we want them to create more of these games even in they don't sell. Would it work? Maybe. Is it worth a try? I think so. If there is a chance it would improve the state of the industry, why not. Interested? It's a Joint Effort Well yeah, I need your help. If you want to be a part of this, if you think there is a possibility it would work, say so below. We'd need a website, we'd need people. We would need to spread the word. We would need to contact media and developers. But N-Europe is my base. I need to know there are people here who want this to happen. If there are, please say so, and we can get started. So, anyone want to try and make a difference? Edit: If you are interest in helping head over to the NiSuTe forums, sign up (in your signature but "I AM FROM N-EUROPE AND I AM HUMAN" (don't ask)), and head to the anouncements section. There say you want in and you'll be added into a secure section of the forums for discussion of this. Hope to see you there.

That hurts me.

Hey Dante, what are the current worldwide figures for No More Heroes?

Withdraw Vote There's got to be a better way than this.

I have no idea what the bloody hell i'm doing but it should be fun

That's all we have, really? Damn. Vote:Volcolm

Can we wait for all the investigators to check in first.

.... .... ...... ......... Erection

Morning everybody. What we need do to is figure out the composition of the game, what group is evil, what group is neutral. Now call me nuts but wasn't there something a while back about the GLA or something. Couldn't the forum's factions be the mafia, or maybe two? Nut, I asked for protection because, in lieu of anyone giving information today, I, having exposed my double vote just to try and pressure chairdriver (because for some reason you gave up), have become a mighty target. Also, I don't buy the whole note thing at all. I've never heard of characters being able to send anonymous notes. Yet it happens to be the perfect alibi for a character who hasn't revealed his character or role (I think) and wanted to get someone lynched with no accountability.

Screw his role, anyone can make that up. What we know is he's lied, he investigates as a blank and he got Harper lynched entirely on his own. Edit: It's 11 here and I gotta get up for training at 6. Goodnight to you all.

1. Don't trust you or anyone else 2. You'll see once the tallys are posted. I've stuck my neck out coming after you but everyone else seems to lazy to press you (is that irony).

Sorry but I didn't read through the whole thing before making my last post, never the less my vote stands. In fact this whole "you must be a teammate of volcolm's" thing makes me trust you even less. I don't buy your whole Harper thing, the ??? thing reaks of mafiaoso, and threatening me just because i suspect you tops it off. Vote stands and I ask for protection.

Vote:Chairdriver I don't mind voting Volcolm but I don't want another day to pass with out chair explaining himself.

I want the answer to this. Bless him, but even if he is bad, I don't consider Volcolm a threat, he's not the games greatest player. Now if there is even a suggestion chair is bad (which I think there is) he needs to go.

Vote:Mcoy You can't start playing every time you're about to get lynched. Also revenge.

Christ i'm looking forward to this. It's a far more substantial game than DMC and a crap load harder.

Vote:No Lynch

Sure what the hell.

Vote:Brian Mcoy I'm still paying him back form the last DIY