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Ha, that's rich coming from you. Didn't someone already say that when you took a break for a while that there were actually less arguments? I believe it may have been @Rummy.

Like Flink says, it's totally down to the Wii U situation. Saying it's 'my fault' is obviously bunk because it takes multiple people to argue for pages, and as the PS4 topics shows, when you have a console that's doing alright then there's nothing for people to get hot under the collar about. Occasionally people go in the PS4 topic to express that they have nothing to play on their PS4 or that there's no great games out for it (or that the OS is shit). Unlike here, those sorts of posts rarely get more than a couple of responses because people are so satisfied with their lot that they don't really view it as valid criticism, just different tastes.

I really don't see the lack of Bluetooth as an issue here. For a home console, sure, because if you're sitting in front of TV for hours then it makes sense to want wireless. With a portable device it's just going to drain battery faster to use wireless headphones.

Why would you do that in a topic about the Wii U?

What is Nintendo's current situation with Wii U? Assuming things carried on like this, getting a bit better maybe after Smash and the like, is this continued level of sales sustainable into future generations?

My friend? You're wrong already. I joke, but in all seriousness you are wrong all the time. lolz So in other words... *cue suspense* Serebii...is wrong.

But the million dollar question...has Pachter been wrong more times than you? And if not, should we not listen to you, either? :p

Saying that Nintendo need to go third party is a once-only event that will either happen or won't, and isn't something so predictable as "Nintendo stock prices will be bad" continuously until it is true. So that example shows that not everything he says is so predictable or 'bound to be right eventually', such that discrediting him entirely like you have done seems cheap. I'm not arguing that he hasn't made such bound-to-be-true predictions, I'm saying that he also makes predictions that don't follow those rules and are at least worth listening to. This might be the problem. You discredit what useful input he has (e.g. "they should adopt HD") because it is obvious. The fact it is obvious is entirely Nintendo's fault. They did need to adopt HD. They didn't need to go with a Gamepad. They did need to advertise it. They did need to cultivate third party relations. Essentially, if an analyst picks up on these things, even though they're also obvious to us, he's not insightful? I'm struggling to think what other nuggets an analyst is supposed to pick up on to earn our respect, when there are such glaring inadequacies already laid out in front of us. I think using roulette as an example in that capacity doesn't really work. An analyst making demands or predictions based on the competition or figures has nothing to do with a roulette player. Even if you argue "additional spins (years) increase the chance of his bet coming in", you've said yourself that his guesses are predictable - or safe bets. As in, he says the things that are likely to happen. That's contrary to picking something unlikely, then waiting years and years for it to eventually come true to find some glory from guessing 'correctly'. He could do both, sure, but it was the way you argued both in the same post before that essentially triggered my criticism.

Not at all - both are deeply stochastic, which is the crux of the analogy whichever way you look at it. Jonnas says Pachter makes predictable assertions (e.g. "Nintendo should go with HD"). But then he says he's like a roulette player, where his number will come in eventually as that is the nature of the game. In roulette, any number a roulette player picks has the same chance of coming in as any other. It's basically the opposite of picking a 'predictable' number (or gaming prediction, in Pachter's case), in the case of what Jonnas also said, since such a thing doesn't exist.

Wow, what an incredibly condescending post. If you look at what I said, it makes no difference whether I referred to a roulette wheel or a roulette player. The analogy is the same - the idea of banking on a single or few numbers, such that occasionally you will be right due to the fact there's always a slim chance you'll win in roulette.

If his comments are always predictable then how is it like a roulette wheel? That's a poor analogy. More like, you are saying that he says obvious things like "Nintendo should go with HD", and that he is right because everyone knows that is the way to go in the industry. Your problem with him is that he doesn't try hard to analyse situations rather than making up lots of shit, and some of it hitting the mark due to the number of ideas he comes up with. That's obviously not always the case though, is it? Calling for Nintendo to stop making hardware is based on how crappy the units sell - but that's not a predictable thing to ask for, since a lot of people here don't want that (while I know quite a few would be happy, too). He's also basing this demand on sales figures - something an analyst would do, and not someone randomly making demands like you're suggesting. I'm not saying he is always right, but it seems like you're ready to dismiss everything he says based on who he is rather than the points he makes. In the case of the third party route, Nintendo stand to make a lot more money by selling their titles on systems that a lot of people have, rather than on their system that a lot of gamers have no interest in.

Nintendo does well with its software. Making a machine that is powerful with good network features and a similar OS to the competition will not prevent them from making the same good software. What it would do is allow themselves to make better games, but just as original, all the while creating a system more attractive to third parties. So long as that case remains to be true, there is no excuse for why Nintendo should not be 'me too' on hardware. Innovate the hell away on peripherals, but deliver on the core hardware.

I don't have the game, but I'm not particularly excited by what I've seen.

Woah, what? You're the one saying "if it looks like he has a point, it's an accident". If you want to look for people making shitty points, look inwards. :p Obviously this is a bad idea right now (although at some point it definitely will be the future) but that doesn't mean he doesn't make a lot of sense on other occasions. You can't just dismiss his points across the board as 'coincidental' if he is reviewing the competition and trends. Case in point, his call for Nintendo to ditch hardware is a good shout, because their hardware is pretty shitty and is basically a barrier to their otherwise often very good software. His calling for Iwata to go is also spot on - he's really not at all what the current Nintendo needs. There's no doubt he talks some shit and has made predictions that turned out bunk, but he can also make a lot of sense, so I don't agree with dismissing him outright like you. If he was truly randomly picking out his predictions or just going with the current trend, it's unlikely he would have ever gained much attention. I basically think that with him it's very much a case of pick and choose what he's saying based on his reasoning and your own beliefs. Lol @Serebii thanking your post after you pretty much ripped him.

So pissed off that I have a thesis to finish. I want to play this when it comes out.

I got an email from Tesco saying it will be delivered on release date. If it's shipped first class tomorrow then it should arrive on time.

You don't want Nintendo to become 'me too' in the sense of delivering a powerful console, robust online services and third party support? Ok.

Good luck guys, would be up for this next year if there was any space. There was some issue with the feed last year, I remember, I think the sound really messed up and was repeating everything said so it was really hard to hear you all. I'll pop by into the comment area every so often. :p

Maybe, but that doesn't redeem them from a gameplay perspective. The idea that a figurine you pick up and scan could be preventing you from using a second stick is pretty tragic, if that's the case.

Wow, that's even worse if that could be the case. The idea that these stupid toys are taking precedent over core features is really bad.

Hyrule Warriors LE preorders are going for £70 ish on eBay, so I don't think you'll get it for that low.

Congratulations, flamebrah.

It was just announced that if you buy Destiny on PS3 or 360 digitally that you can upgrade for free to PS4 and X1. You can also keep playing the last gen versions after upgrading.

But it was an anomaly. Regardless of the fact it was designed and not randomly created (didn't say it was), the success of the thing was by all accounts an anomaly. Nobody could have predicted the success - nor the sudden drop off (look at Wii Sports on Wii U). Ok, perhaps not true on the latter - most of us saw the drop off, but Nintendo apparently didn't. It's a textbook example of a craze. The kind of thing that sells extremely well and gains massive amounts of exposure, then before too long drops off and nobody cares about it much anymore. Actually, there's no maximum amount of time that a craze can last. Either way, consoles may have sold well, but the Wii games did not sell that well relative to the size of the install base in the last few years. Most top charting games in this time were not Wii games, and the Wii lost a lot of support. Again, that shows the frivolous nature of the audience it attracted. They were buying it for Wii Sports, and maybe a few other titles, but they simply weren't the audience to continue to buy games on it, or have it as their primary console. I don't believe you really think he is accidentally stumbling upon the answers. Anyone with a reasonable grasp of the current situation would call for similar things. Maybe not for Nintendo to go third party (although I do agree), and I don't think cloud gaming is the way yet. But at some point it will most likely be the way we play. I don't think the two beliefs are mutually exclusive. They thought outside the box, for sure. But at the same time it came at a great cost, as the result of the Wii is the Wii U (including the Gamepad and casual specification). The Wii may have brought transient success and money, but the trajectory they've gone off at is pretty bad for both casuals and core gamers (if we're going to keep using those terms) alike. I disagree there. I think the Gamepad is a piece of the problem, but still a rather large piece. I'm not calling out the pad physically, but more what it represents. The Gamepad was their focus; something that took pride of place over making their console more powerful or contain the features that third parties want. It cranked the price up to £300. Supposing they hadn't run with it, the thing may either be super cheap or they may have opted to power the thing up. Most of all, it just wasn't really necessary and isn't well supported. The PS4 shows that people are happy to have the best games console they can while leaving it to developers to innovate through software. You don't always need a gimmick, but I think the Wii somehow made Nintendo think they did. Running with a gimmick peripheral is risky, since it either takes off (Wii) or doesn't (Wii U). This is basically the opposite of what Sony does, who tends to innovate their home consoles less, but have pretty much delivered every single generation (despite the shaky PS3 start). Different ways of approaching it, I guess, but I know which I prefer.