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Sheet. That's a bad haul.

Yeah but, you were basically still saying the same thing even after I showed you otherwise. Disputing the Assassin's Creed example was a step too far, really, and saying I was cherry picking screenshots really demolished your cred on that one. Everyone here that has played Black Flag knows it's set in the tropics and the whole thing is bright and pretty. Your opinion is one that seems to be formed on some reason or other that I can't really grasp, since you haven't actually played the games and therefore haven't actually experienced the environments contained within them. Saying they're not as bright and colourful as Nintendo games is one thing (I agree), saying it's mostly all grey and that my screenshots are cherry picked is another.

Thanks man, wouldn't mind doing 1 with you it nobody else signs up. Wouldn't want to trouble you with more than 1 since you don't stand to gain anything. You get anything good?

I can queue at least one up for tomorrow, very unlikely I'll do all 3 today... 8:15 PM good with you tomorrow? Anyone up for doing any tonight?

Anyone fancy doing the nightfall with me tonight? Let's say 8:15 PM onwards. Likely up for more than one if we can stand to do more afterwards. I haven't done it with any of my 3 characters. @Shorty @Zell @MilaGi @Deathjam @ReZourceman @Map @DriftKaiser @Agent Gibbs

No black Pikmin. Fucking knew it.

Hang on, have you just selected the one screenshot that isn't grey for each game?

Cor blimey!

Nah brah, I haven't played it or anything, but personally I think you're wrong on this. Don't get mad about it though.

Confirmed today to be released in Europe as a PS4 exclusive this year.

Banjo Kazooie was the game of Kings. The finest platformer ever made.

Hmm, are you trying to be provocative by indicating people are getting mad/emotional? Sorry, mind games like that don't work on me. You're a bit of a spineless fellow, aren't you? You think I've found some 'perfect' screenshots that make my point, while the rest of the games look like shit? That's really quite funny actually. @Fierce_LiNk, did you happen to see much of Assassin's Creed Black Flag, whether it looked awesome and colourful throughout or not? This guy thinks I'm some kind of liar. The funny thing is, you haven't even played some of the games I've mentioned that are already out to accuse me of being wrong! It's absurd!

That's really quite pathetic, the behaviour of a scrub. Somebody shows you the evidence right in front of your face, and you continue to deny it. You continue with the tagline that they're full of grey games. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Ronnie, what are you talking about? I have just shown you loads of big hitter games that all have colour in them. You criticised AC as an offender, then I showed you that has loads of colour too. There's also the next Elder Scrolls game (and the online one) - these always look lush. So what is your point? Even if some games are grey, often it's justified to create atmosphere and looks awesome. There's loads of colourful games, but you just wouldn't know as you have this preconceived idea in your head; you haven't played the games to even know if the things you're saying are true! QFT. Infamous's use of colour was amazing.

It's a Victorian setting, as is Bloodborne. As is the next AC: Victorian settings are defined by darks and greys, and adds to the atmosphere of the game. Frankly, I think that AC shot looks incredible.

AC games on PS4: Black flag: AC Unity: A game set in a Victorian inspired kind of hell. So it's obviously going to be dark. And as for Shadow of Mordor, it doesn't look so drab to me. And Drive Club, and Witcher 3, and Assassin's Creed, and Destiny, and Persona 5. Then look at that. Suddenly, any argument that the console is mostly full of grey games vanishes into the depths of your bountiful ignorance. Just stop.

Dat grey.

I'm guessing none of them, but he's seen some numbers, so it's fine right?

If you compared at the same point, PS4 would have Bloodborne, Persona 5 and Uncharted 4. Of course, can't compare them as they're not out yet, but nor should we compare them like they are being now either. I also think we should compare games available on each system that aren't available on the other system. Because that's a differentiating factor - if I can buy a game I want on one of those consoles, but not the other, that's a reason to get that console, isn't it?

When you think about it, there's a lot of extra customisation to Destiny that isn't there in Halo to make it feel quite different. I agree there is some trademark Bungie polish that makes the base character move in a weighty sort of way. But then when you look at the classes and perks, it feels quite a bit different. Warlocks for instance, if you double tap X you go flying into the sky, which is something you don't do in Halo. It changes how you can approach the enemy. You can equip a perk that lets you freeze in mid air while shooting, so you can gun people from above. Then there's the ability to melee and get a temporary shield, crouch or melee to go invisible, shoulder charge with a Titan, etc. I can be a bladedancer and mass kill several people at once. I don't deny that it's an FPS, but if you dig just a little deeper there are many things it does different to Halo. It's not reinventing the FPS wheel, but for me it's doing a lot more new than, say, Smash, which feels a lot like the same old to me.

For people like me who remember really well what they did in games, it's hard to feel they're anything but stale. I mean, take the new Smash. You load up the game, probably pick your favourite character, then proceed to use the same moves against your friend who is likely also using the same character. You may try become familiar with a new character, but that's usually where the freshness ends. And let's be honest, we typically fall back to our favourites. For me, there's just not enough reason to be excited by this series anymore. Melee got the formula down, Brawl didn't give you much more reason to play (online particularly was broken), and this certainly didn't refresh the series. For me, this series is done. I'm going through the same motions, trying to recapture what was there maybe 12-13 years ago when melee hit, but it's never going to happen. It's a game that I have played and enjoyed plenty. It's just not doing it anymore. Re: Destiny, No other game on consoles has done the raid experience like Destiny, making it so tightly coordinated, nor have they made the game so damn addictive for so many. The social aspect is also done crazily well because it's always online, so you can hop into people's games quickly and help them with quests (always online is also great to prevent cheating). I don't doubt you when you say you found it boring, because it's not for everyone and can only last so long before getting boring, and admittedly content is a bit thin on the ground at the moment - essentially it has run out of new stuff to do (but to be honest what game doesn't). But what it is is something different to most of the games out there. You won't find an always online console game doing what is doing. It actually feels little like Halo to me - in Halo there is no loot, no supers, no classes, and meanwhile in Destiny there is little story unlike Halo. In Halo it's pretty standard FPS gaming. The crucible is about where the similarities end, as well as the tight/polished combat. But in Halo, for instance, I can't just whip out a golden gun and immediately kill 3-4 people. Or revive myself in a team game, or bring in my own customised loot. I can't do a raid in Halo either. Destiny borders fantasy, since you down people with supers so nonchalantly. It feels very different to me, and to be honest I was really very bored of Halo. If we acknowledge that certain things will always appear again in games (e.g. shooting enemies, jumping on enemies), we look to new and differentiating elements to get freshness. For me, Destiny has those. What I'll say is that no doubt if they condensed what Destiny is doing into a formula, and were still releasing that game in 15 years, I'd no doubt be bored of it. Just right here, right now, I'm glad that they've gone with a different formula rather than it just be a direct sequel to another FPS with the usual old approach.

You're so full of it. How you can even dare to argue quality of games when you don't have a PS4, and seemingly never will, is beyond me. You're literally reading out numbers to argue with people who have played the very games you're knocking. Many of the most fun games release on PS4. Whether they also release on PC and Xbone is of no concern to me; when I play a game, I judge it for what it is, not whether I know it's being released anywhere else. The funny thing is, there's so much bullshit on Nintendo's consoles right now, even though a lot of their games score highly. They're the kind of safe plays that are bound to score well because they're basically polished versions of the same game they've released loads of times before. Mario Kart has been distilled into a formula, as has Smash, as has their New Super Mario Land series. Heck, even Pikmin 3 is just a recycling of the same concept. You're no doubt going to accuse other consoles for having similar titles, but that's not really the point. You're making an argument that Nintendo is some reservoir of quality, whereas I'm arguing that so much of what they represent these days, bar a couple of exceptions, feels largely quite stale to me. It does not excite me anywhere near as much as the other consoles. Games that have held my attention, games that feel fresh to me because they present new ideas or ways to play, often score lower. Games like Destiny, for instance, have held the attention of so many people here for so very long. With Destiny came a new level of social gaming and cooperation, like nothing us mostly console gamers had ever experienced before. To me, that was like Demon's Souls last gen - a very new feeling concept. Games like Destiny score lower because they get stuff wrong, but then you really kind of expect that from games doing something new, with several new mechanics (and an economy) in play, as opposed to games that have been perfected long ago and only further improved upon in minor ways (e.g. antigravity in Mario Kart). Because someone with that kind of mindset has to essentially shape an argument out of whatever they can. If he actually looked at the sheer number of great titles that came/are coming to PS4, he wouldn't be able to make a comparison that would cast the Wii U in a favourable light. By narrowing down his criteria to 'just exclusives' he is able to assemble a makeshift argument.

I'll be there in 5. Somehow I managed to delete Destiny when trying to close the application and not really paying attention. Thank god for fibre broadband.

The downtime has been extended until 9PM (our time). Let's be ready to go then.

Ah, back to 'exclusives'. The same old shit, irrelevant argument.