hicky45 Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 i seriously doubt it due to the Wii selling so well today:heh: .... How well do do you guys think the wii will do considering Nintendo have preditced 4 million to be sold by the years end ?
Nintendork Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Sony is still the king of cool in America, Europe and Japan with the people who can afford to buy this system. They are loyal to the brand, the exclusive games like WipeOut, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, F1 and Gran Turismo. Sony will do well, not as well as the PS2 but I think this generation is going to be fairly close. Each system has a niche.. The 360 has those who want a solid online service and PC like games in their living room. The Wii is affordable and classic fun for the whole family The PS3 is a multimedia platform which in the 16-25 year old's domain. Remains the coolest thing money can buy. Sony will lose out, Microsoft will up their market share somewhat, Nintendo will increase radically. You have to remember Microsoft is backing the 360, so it will never die out of the spotlight, and Nintendo is making a profit from the system launch.. they're not going to pull a Sega on us. Sony however have their hands tied, they're losing money.. treating consumers poorly with delays. It's not gonna be an easy ride for them.
raven_blade2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Critics usually judge by what happened in the past. The PS1 and PS2 succeeded so they believe the PS3 will as well.
hicky45 Posted November 19, 2006 Author Posted November 19, 2006 both comments are true:) ive been on a site where it calculates the approximate values of the consoles sold and the wii is gaining on the pS3 eve though it has only been released in 1 region haha i think a lot of retro gamers will buy the wii because of the virtual console and basically because it has the most distinctive features in this generation of games consoles, that being motion sensored games. I also believe that Nintendo will add more features to the wii through the wii channels which will attract more people to buy their product. I seriously think Nintendo have got a good chance of selling a huge amount of consoles.
Mike Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Don't forget that when the GameCube launched in the UK, it was the highest selling system launch ever. We're going to have to wait quite a while longer before we find out who's going to win. Personally, I think that the Playstation brand is too strong for the Wii to beat, but hey, I hope I'm wrong.
Nintendork Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 "So here's out cast-iron copper-bottomed, prediction for the future: It's going to be a pricey time to be a gamer." As with all niches the only thing that will corrode it, is the desire to do all 3 niches better than the other two. Sony perhaps is biting more off than it can chew. I think a niche is better than trying to do everything under one house.
DCK Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 I think Nintendo still has a major task in front of them to get more average consumers (lower the price) and more of the gaming crowd (good 3rd party games) in order to 'win'. My bets are on the 360 now, but I think each producer gets roughly 1/3rd of the industry eventually.
hicky45 Posted November 19, 2006 Author Posted November 19, 2006 i think a lot of the big developers in the gaming world will realise what they are missing out on with the wii since they can express thier talents in a completely different way and so they will sign up
mcj metroid Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 i believe in western markets 360 will eventually win.Whereas in japan wii has it won without question.nodoy i know will spend that much on a ps3
Mr. Bananagrabber Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Of course at will. For all the 'lol 599 us dollars' and stupid giant enemy crab jokes from Nintendo and MS supporters, Sony hasn't lost any of it's core market.
Nintendork Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Of course at will. For all the 'lol 599 us dollars' and stupid giant enemy crab jokes from Nintendo and MS supporters, Sony hasn't lost any of it's core market. I think that's the main delusion of fanboys. People still want PPP rooms, Pool, Porn and PlayStation. The only case in popular culture where I see the 360 being really trumped by someone influential is Chris Moyles. Who often states how much he loves Fifa and Table Tennis, Microsoft even sent him one on launch day for free.
mcj metroid Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Of course at will. For all the 'lol 599 us dollars' and stupid giant enemy crab jokes from Nintendo and MS supporters, Sony hasn't lost any of it's core market. .unless you are a huge japanese rpg fan or metal gear fan there really is no other type of game worth getting on the ps3 that isn't on other consoles.i find that most sony fanboys are mislead.i have yet to find one intelligent one that can make an argument for the ps3 without using metal gear
hicky45 Posted November 19, 2006 Author Posted November 19, 2006 if you look at the wii website and the experience videos on that site EVERY single person who gets the chance to play the console looks as f they are having fun, this is what Nintendo brings most of all to this generation... im really looking forward to having a round of gold with my mates on a cold winter day haha
Nintendork Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Nintendo's total income is up 72% (on last year) at the end of the second quarter of 2006 to £172m. Microsoft as we all know is at a loss on systems and the Live service but Microsoft has the resources to make the system a success. Sony's profits are down 92% to £7m this quarter due to battery recalls and the PS3 delays cost Sony £193m. Microsoft sold 9 million XBOX units in the 9 month period after launch 3 years ago, conversely Microsoft has only sold 6 million 360 units in that time frame. Their aim is to sell a further 4 million over the Christmas period but if they don't meet that target it's going to look like Microsoft has not improved on the past generation. Stock holders won't be happy, EDGE says that common sense suggests people are waiting for the PS3 solely for comparisons on the drives. With PS3 shortages a lot of people will jump ship to the Wii and 360. Wii is the only system making a profit. All concluding that the 360 has not done well enough really.. to be fair the original XBOX had Halo, so perhaps Gears can do something for it.
Jasper Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Personally, I think Sony will still win ot this generation. Nintendo will do great, but you can't take over the lead in one generation. Certainly not with a inferior-graphics system. I have no troubles with those graphics, but if they want to win next generation they will have to tag along. Right now, Nintendo is sxtating it's image - cool, modern, young and for everyone. The generation after this they will combine their revolution wih graphics equal to the others. And at that point Nintendo will have the winning deck. Look at it as if they are playing poker. Nintendo will lose this hand, but that will deceive for the next hand, when Nintendo gets to pass the cards to Sony. It's going to be risky. Nintendo will do better, but will probably end up second anyway. When the next console (codename: roxor) will come around, Nintendo will have the good image and the great graphics. Sony will win the war, but will barely make any money on it. So if they go on like this for five generations (or even four) they will surely lose enough to kill themselves. Nintendo is smart... Never forget: it's business, not fun! Certainly in a topic like this.
mcj metroid Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 but you can't take over the lead in one generation. Certainly not with a inferior-graphics system. . i bring you to the 16bit era.nintendo was still on top.the ps1 was an inferior games machine and manged the beat the more powerful satarn and eventually n64.Don't say it can't be done in one generation.it can
Nintendork Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 That was a combination of Nintendo's arrogance as console leader and Sony's marketing genius. It takes two for a flip to happen like that.. Sony still knows how to market a product.. and yes the poster boy Ken Kuturagi is quite arrogant, at heart I think Sony is pre-meditating a war. Nintendo has positioned itself to take the power back but really with the death of Sega neither is going to make a mistake like the N64 again.
Eenuh Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 I thought Nintendo didn't even consider themselves to be a competition to the other two? I thought they said they were taking a different path and will let the other two battle it out, while they will co-exist next to them. I don't really see this as a console war anymore, cause you get two completely different directions. Either the one where you go for the power and the graphics, or the other one where you go for the fun and innovation. Or you pick both. In the end, I of course hope Nintendo will sell the most consoles, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't happen, and it won't break my heart either. Cause I'll be getting to play the Wii with its great games, and that's all I need. =3
DCK Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Nintendo's dream market is yet to become reality. The gaming market still sells by far the most Wiis (especially during launch times) so we can still consider it a war.
Jasper Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 i bring you to the 16bit era.nintendo was still on top.the ps1 was an inferior games machine and manged the beat the more powerful satarn and eventually n64.Don't say it can't be done in one generation.it can First off, PS1 was 32-bit as far as I know and therefore a higher-end graphical console than the SNES. Sony really took voer the market with PS2, and not with PS1. Yes, they gained a lot of share, but going from zero to whatever isn't a problem if your product is new. Just don't forget that Sony was new to the market and people wanted to see what they did. Also, Nintendo made more mistakes than Sony does now. They sticked with cartridges, they sold at high price, they launched to late, to little. It's not going to happen that Nintendo takes back it's lead in one generation. I have a message for you all: step out of being fanboyish when you have to talk about topics such as sales or business. I'm a Nintendo fan, but at least look at the things the way they are, not the way you want them to be. We all know it, we all feel it, Nintendo won't take the lead in one generation...
mcj metroid Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 yes i know there were more factors than just graphics but history has proven time and time again that the most powerful console MOSTLY loses.Even the more recent example the psp shows that the handheld situation is the same. people buy software not hardware and Software for ps3 is looking average with few exeptions so far. I'm not a blind fanboy but i do believe in western countries the ps3 will come last. obvious in japan 360 has lost
Jasper Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 What I mean with inferior graphics is that technically, Wii isn't up-to-date. Computers can do so much more, Xbox 360 can do so much more and so does PS3. What I meant with inferior graphics is that no matter what, the list of features that's the longest can make it out the best. HD were just two letters (and about $300 worth of technology), but they do mean something. It's not always the beast that wins out is true (hey, Nintendo did release it's Nintendo64), but the most featiures do. DVD-playback, CD-playback, gaming and online features do change the way people look at the system. That's why PS1 was considered mroe powerfull than N64 in it's days. It's al about choices, and right now, Nintendo has shown it's intitial choice for it's forthcoming generations - buit they will have to take the exact leap in the next generation so that first they position their console and the same height as PS4 and Xbox 1080, and then they should make themselves pop out by innovative cotnrol. I think that could have bein a better plan. But for now, it's still looking good. But they won't take lead in one generation.
Nintendork Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 System power has nothing to do with the PSP failing. It hasn't got any software people want to play on the go. Motorstorm and Resistance look to be above average launch games to me, compared to the PS2 launch it's exceptional actually. The parallels you draw between portable and home consoles is flawed, as they are completely different markets. Not just that but the evidence you give for the PS3 failing is opinionated fanboy drivel. The only sensible thing you said was that Nintendo and Sony have Japan covered. (I don't think Blue Dragon can save Microsoft) The West is open for business for all three as far as I'm concerned.
Jackster Posted November 19, 2006 Posted November 19, 2006 Well, I hate to say this, but to be honest I'm not all that impressed with the Wii launch line-up. Apart from Zelda and Red-Steel, nothing really catches my eye. But I think that aslong as Nintendo keep a steady flow of good games and make sure every now and then they bring out a game that's comparable to Zelda:OOT or Goldeneye, a game which people think is truly great, then Nintendo could take this generation, or at least take a lot of MS and Sony's market share. That and they have to make sure they keep up the marketing.
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