darthbane2k Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 That's right - all that begging for Snake to appear in Smash Brothers on Wii and the fact that Hideo Kojima is allowed to design a stage for him means absolutely nothing. Kojima gets his fantasy and Nintendo (and nintendo fans alike) are left with NOTHING. What I mean is a decent Metal Gear for Wii. It IS possible. I mean why not? MGS3 looked pretty good n PS2 and Wii is more powerful than xbox1 - sure it wont be up to MGS4 quality in terms of the visuals, but who cares? PS3 fans are jerking off to MGS4 and we get nothing yet again from Konami and Kojima productions. Dont get me wrong, Im not a PS fan, I have no desire to get the PS3 and understand that MGS is largely a PS series, however I dont like the idea that Nintendo are getting fuck all from this Kojima Smash Bros dealeo.
Kurtle Squad Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Kojima said he's not making another Metal Gear game after 4 for one (though ports of the PS2 ones would be nice - like the upgraded Twin Snakes). Nintendo are getting Snake in Smash Bros. that's what they're getting Meaning more buyers of the game due to fans of Snake etc etc. Plus, this brings Masahiro Sakurai and Nintendo closer to Kojima, meaning he might decide to make some awesome Wii game blah blah etc.
darkjak Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 My guess is however that there'll be a remake of MGS2 or MGS3 for the Wii, similar to MGS:TS for the GC. That Snake is in SSB has to mean SOMETHING.
Nintendork Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 There is a thing called a contract, Sony hold it and it's in their interests to protect what is debatebly their 3rd largest franchise. Kojima has said that Snake would not be doing "his runnings on the Wii" It won't happen and the only reason I see the Twin Snakes popping up is because Kojima has so much influence and his team weren't developping it on Sony's time. They gave him and inch but they wont let him take a mile. Sony let them release it because they knew there is a group of Nintendo fans that might get hooked by the story.. then go out, buy a PS2 and play MGS2/3 and indeed perhaps the other titles. It's the free sample.. Nintendo won't be getting anymore. Kojima Productions will be working on Wii and Xbox 360 titles but, crucially, they won't be featuring Solid Snake. "If I was going to do a game on Wii or Xbox 360, I would do a completely different game - not Metal Gear Solid" said Kojima. I'm happy Kojima is working on something because it has all the potential to be better than MGS.. all these years he's been working on one game, I don't blame him for being bored and saturated with it. All those ideas cumulated into one Wii game is bound to be good.
21st century cowboy Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 We did get Bokati for the GBA and Lunar Nights for the DS. They are quite decent by all acounts.
Nintendork Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I think Snake will suck balls in Dojo anyway..
Pit-Jr Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Sony does have some sort of hold on the Solid series but Solid is like Metroid Prime. There were predecessors and sure enough they originated on the NES. If Kojima really did sell the entire scope of Metal Gear to Sony then yeah, to hell with him, but surely thats not the case is it? Personally id love to see some sort of retelling of Metal Gear 1 and 2 but it will probably wind up being Virtual Console fodder instead
darthbane2k Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 Go Cry. Nintendo allowed the inclusion of Snake because its a selling point for SSBB, you know, "OMG!! SSB HAS SNAKE, GOTTA BUY THIS SHIT", etc Kojima develops for the highest bidder. Not to mention the demographic of people that play MGS games are PlayStation devotees, why the hell would he develop a MGS title for the Wii and sell half a million copies when he could churn out MGS4 and sell 3 Million? erm, its not a matter of 'go cry' its a matter of fair's fair. If you choose to snub Nintendo by not releasing your games for its formats, then you should not be allowed to include your character in smash bros, its as simple as. Smash Bros Brawl would sell regardless of whether snake is in it or not. This has nothing do with business as such, it is to do with a personal request by Kojima and a personal favor. He WANTED snake in the game, snakes in it, so what do WE get? As far as im aware MGS is NOT an exclusive series to Playstation, so there is no reason why the wii should be snubbed. Snake's roots were on the NES, at least Kojima could regonise this. You say why sell half a million copies vs 3 million? Well, at $600 per console, I dont think the PS3 will exactly be 'mainstream' - and also, why not sell 3.5 million. Profits from both formats.
dabookerman Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 This thread has brought a big fat grin to my face.
darthbane2k Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 Snakes roots werent originally on the NES. Metal Gear 1 was ORIGINALLY released on the MSX2, it was later ported to the Commodore 64 and NES. Metal Gear 2 was released exclusivley for the MSX2, Snakes Revenge was released for the NES without permission or input from Hideo Kojima. Yeah, because the PS3 will always be $500/600... spoken like a true PS fanboy. You are ASSUMING the PS3 price will become more mainstream over time, but after how long? If you /Kojima/ whoever bases its potential success on this assumption then you CANNOT assume that the Wii will not have a substantial userbase. Just like you ASSUME the PS3 will become more affordable and popular at a quick enough rate to save its ass from falling into 2nd/3rd place, then I can ASSUME the Wii will establish a massive user base of DS proportions over that same period of time. Changing the arguement slightly - what about Metal Gear Acid - you telling me that that game CANNOT be produced on Nintendo DS? Fact remains that Konami, or rather Kojima productions choose to snub Nintendo formats. Thats well and good because it is their progertive who to develop for. However if Snake is getting 'free publicity and exposure' as a gaming icon in a NINTENDO game, then I at least expect the favor to be returned. Surely thats not too much to ask, is it? Your MSX arguement is totally irrelevant by the way. Im specifically talking about Snake's historical roots on Nintendo Vs Playstation. Im sure the NES versions of Metal Gear and Snakes Revenge sold far more than the MSX version anyway. Yeah there are typos galore in this post - cant be bothered to review it as im at work - thought id get that defence in before you retort!
Charlie Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 If you want him to make a MGS on the Wii why do you want to tell him to go to hell?
dabookerman Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Snakes roots werent originally on the NES. Metal Gear 1 was ORIGINALLY released on the MSX2, it was later ported to the Commodore 64 and NES. Metal Gear 2 was released exclusivley for the MSX2, Snakes Revenge was released for the NES without permission or input from Hideo Kojima. Yeah, because the PS3 will always be $500/600... Nailed it, with actual facts, well done (MSX was a Sony Manufactured console aswell) spoken like a true PS fanboy. No no no no, you're being the fanboy here.
system_error Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Where is the big deal? Actually Kojima approached the Smash Brothers team and asked if they would like to put Snake in it. Metal Gear Solid is a playground for Kojima - he gets all the resources and money he needs from Sony to make a great game. After that Kojima productions have enough money to develop for whatever console they want. He already said he would like to make a new project for Wii. MGS4 belongs to the Playstation 3 because it needs advanced hardware to realize the vision Kojima has. That same problem goes on with many other developers. Factor5, Sillicon Knights made great games but they need also great hardware to actually fullfill their ideas.
darthbane2k Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 Okay im being the fanboy here eh? - Even though I wasnt the one executing the old PS defence force in a pathetic attempt to justify a $600 price tag for a games console. ("but it wont be $600 forever!"... etc etc) So basicly you think Nintendo are getting a good deal here? - why so? Its a reasonable enough question I asked, I have been thinking about it over the past few days. Just what do Nintendo get out of this 'deal'? - I merely asked that expecting mature responses, maybe I should not have used the phrase 'go to hell' as it seems to have upset quite a few playstation loyalists who have responded with venom. Dont get me wrong, I could not care less if there was a metal gear on wii or not. I have no love for the games, but millions of other Nintendo fans DO, which is why I questioned whether the inclusion of Snake in a NINTENDO beat-em-up was fair.
Smiter Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I enjoyed the few Metal Gear games I've played and, while it is sad that we may never get a MGS game on the Wii, I have to say that I'm actually very interested in what Kojima may come up with for the Wii/360. After all, he may have a huge bunch of ideas that couldn't fit into the MGS franchise. He could make a new and inspiring concept that grows into a series. Heck, he might even come up with a great game that wouldn't be possible on PS3 because of the Wiimote. Kojima is clearly interested in the Wii as well as the PS3. Hell, why else would he be eager to include Snake into Smash Bros, or even take the time to design a stage for them? Telling him to "go to hell" just because he won't/can't create a Snake game for the Wii is just being bloody ungrateful. Just be glad Hideo Kojima WANTS to create a game or two on the Wii.
darthbane2k Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 Where is the big deal? Actually Kojima approached the Smash Brothers team and asked if they would like to put Snake in it. Metal Gear Solid is a playground for Kojima - he gets all the resources and money he needs from Sony to make a great game. After that Kojima productions have enough money to develop for whatever console they want. He already said he would like to make a new project for Wii. MGS4 belongs to the Playstation 3 because it needs advanced hardware to realize the vision Kojima has. That same problem goes on with many other developers. Factor5, Sillicon Knights made great games but they need also great hardware to actually fullfill their ideas. I agree about MGS4's hardware requirements. However it doesnt mean that Metal Gear Solid could not appear on wii in one form or another (as opposed to 'another' game). Its not impossible - especially considering that MGS3 was developed for PS2 - an inferior piece of hardware to even the GameCube. I'll say it again, as far as im aware there is no exculsivity deal tieing MGS to playstation. Its just Kojima studios CHOOSES to snub all things Nintendo, and that is what angers me, especially since Nintendo have been so accomodating to include Snake within one of THEIR games, simply because its a playful fantasy of Kojimas.
Nintendork Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 STRONG ROFL. "GO TO HELL" to one of the greatest developpers interested in the Wii today - I was expecting mature responses? Pfft, who said anything about a deal? This isn''t playground swapsies.. teacher isn't going to come along and confiscate all the videogames.. ROFLCOPTOR.
dabookerman Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Well, i dunno about upset, but this melo-drama is making me laugh. I mean, this is just bitching at someone that doesnt make games for the Nintendo. Seriously live with it, if you or anyone else want to play a certain game so bad, whether is MGS or any other franchise, then buy the damn console and stop whining.
darthbane2k Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 Kojima is clearly interested in the Wii as well as the PS3. Hell, why else would he be eager to include Snake into Smash Bros, or even take the time to design a stage for them? Telling him to "go to hell" just because he won't/can't create a Snake game for the Wii is just being bloody ungrateful. Just be glad Hideo Kojima WANTS to create a game or two on the Wii. I agree - however the thing that irks me, and causes me to say "go to hell" is that I have seen NO PROOF of this what so ever.Just what is it that we/I am supposed to be 'grateful' for? Grateful that he acknowledges the Wii exists? How about some games?, some AAA games and not a half assed effort. Kojima seems to be Sony's bitch (I know that sounds really fanboyish) and I dont expect anything substantial from him on Wii. Well, i dunno about upset, but this melo-drama is making me laugh. I mean, this is just bitching at someone that doesnt make games for the Nintendo. Seriously live with it, if you or anyone else want to play a certain game so bad, whether is MGS or any other franchise, then buy the damn console and stop whining. without arguing, you dont get my point. Im not bitching because games are not being made for Nintendo or that I want to buy a certain game so bad - if it was that simple, I could simply buy a PS3 and be content with MGS4. Im bitching because its a case of 'if you scratch my back i'll scratch yours. Nintendo have allowed this man to include his iconic character within a NINTENDO game - so what do Nintendo get in return - yet another snub?
dabookerman Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Its amazing because, most Nintendo fans just see Hideo Kojima as the man who creates only MGS, yet if they even bothered playing any of his other games you will see those games are great to, I look forward to the Wii game he will be making, and i for sure will be getting Lunar Knights. This is clearly fanboyism at its most ugliest.
darthbane2k Posted September 25, 2006 Author Posted September 25, 2006 Im pretty much laughing considering I've never owned a Playstation console in my life. Good try. Dont you think you should have stated that in your original post, ha? Way to make a big deal over an off the cuff comment. Its irrelevant, so lets move on, okay? My first argument applies here, "Kojima develops for the highest bidder", he is a moneywhore. If Nintendo decided to wave a wad of cash his way the Wii would have an exclusive MGS title in an instant. I seriously question this. Again, there is NO EXCLUSIVITY contract that ties Metal Gear Solid to the Playstation at all, to my knowledge. Secondly, Nintendo have wads of cash - way more than Sony (who are in the Red) - you think they havent approached Kojima Studios? Its amazing because, most Nintendo fans just see Hideo Kojima as the man who creates only MGS, yet if they even bothered playing any of his other games you will see those games are great to, I look forward to the Wii game he will be making, and i for sure will be getting Lunar Knights. This is clearly fanboyism at its most ugliest. Well theres no need for insults, but MGS is consider THE DEFINITIVE Kojima series from a mainstream point of view. And its this mainstream gratification that will seriously push units and could help the Wii greatly.
dabookerman Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 I'm pretty sure what Kojima invisions in his MGS games would more suit the PS3 perhaps. Wii isnt a console for cinematic type games.
Nintendork Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 OMG SNAKES IS COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD AS A ZOMBIE TO DO MGS5 ON THE WII EXCLUSIVE BECAUSE NINTENDO WAVED A LOAD OF MONEY IN KOJIMA'S FACE AND SAID BIATCH I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT JAPANESE BUSINESS AND FINANCE BECAUSE I SAW ERIN BROKOVICH.. WELL I SAW 10 MINUTES AND GOT THE JIST.
Pit-Jr Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 the other scenario is he doesnt want Wii's ugly graphics and kiddie audience mucking up his cutting edge, manly franchise. Anyway its his series he can do what he wants with it
Mr. Bananagrabber Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Why should Nintendo get a good deal? Sony have the larger demographic. MGS has ALWAYS sold well on Sony machines. Twin Snakes sold awfully. There's NO REASON for MGS to come to a machine that will make it less money. Stp being a Nintendo fanboy and grow up, Nintendo aren't the only ones in the business.
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