Ollie Posted April 5, 2006 Posted April 5, 2006 I have often considered buying a mac as a second PC, but have always been put off for various reasons. If I can get a 2 button scroll mouse and Windows on it, then I will definately have to reconsider!
Bogbas Posted April 5, 2006 Posted April 5, 2006 Umm.. Is it just me, but isn't buying a mac and using windows on it pointless? It's like you're getting a hugely overpriced windows pc. I mean what's the point in a mac if it hasn't got os x? I know that the build quality is better, but it also has almost no way of upgrading it. Other than buying the next version. Note: this is not a post that says macs suck or something like that, I'm still considering to get a mac laptop.
Mr_Odwin Posted April 5, 2006 Posted April 5, 2006 I think this is top stuff by Apple, giving more choice to the consumer is a good thing in this case.
gorrit Posted April 5, 2006 Posted April 5, 2006 I hope, and I think that it's very probably, that soon there will be something similiar to mac-on-mac/mac-on-linux/vmware for Mac OS X where you can boot Windows in a seperate window. And booting Windows on a Mac has always been legal. It's the other way around, booting Mac OS X on a non Mac is against the Mac EULA (though EULAs hasn't been proved in any european court as far as I know)
Ollie Posted April 5, 2006 Posted April 5, 2006 Umm.. Is it just me, but isn't buying a mac and using windows on it pointless? It's like you're getting a hugely overpriced windows pc. I mean what's the point in a mac if it hasn't got os x? I know that the build quality is better, but it also has almost no way of upgrading it. Other than buying the next version. Note: this is not a post that says macs suck or something like that, I'm still considering to get a mac laptop. Also, because of the way mac's are built, if you ran windows on a top end mac and a top end pc and compared them, the mac would out perform. This is because all the hardware inside is designed to work with each other, where as pc hardware is bottle necked with driver in-compatibilites etc. I can't remember the fine details, but Schpicks will, I remember a massive post he wrote ages ago going into the fine details of it.
RoadKill Posted April 5, 2006 Posted April 5, 2006 Also, because of the way mac's are built, if you ran windows on a top end mac and a top end pc and compared them, the mac would out perform. This is because all the hardware inside is designed to work with each other, where as pc hardware is bottle necked with driver in-compatibilites etc. I can't remember the fine details, but Schpicks will, I remember a massive post he wrote ages ago going into the fine details of it. This is super ill-informed.
Jon Posted April 5, 2006 Posted April 5, 2006 Also, because of the way mac's are built, if you ran windows on a top end mac and a top end pc and compared them, the mac would out perform. This is because all the hardware inside is designed to work with each other, where as pc hardware is bottle necked with driver in-compatibilites etc. I can't remember the fine details, but Schpicks will, I remember a massive post he wrote ages ago going into the fine details of it. Thats not exactly accurate anymore since Mac's no run on x86 hardware there are obviously some differences but its a lot closer to windows hardware than it used to be.
Mr_Odwin Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 I hope, and I think that it's very probably, that soon there will be something similiar to mac-on-mac/mac-on-linux/vmware for Mac OS X where you can boot Windows in a seperate window. And booting Windows on a Mac has always been legal. It's the other way around, booting Mac OS X on a non Mac is against the Mac EULA (though EULAs hasn't been proved in any european court as far as I know) QEMU runs on Mac OSX I believe. (It's ace BTW.)
gorrit Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 Mr_Odwin, yeah, I know, but the fast non emulation mode does not support Mac and x86 to x86, right? Then again, this was just recently released (as a beta): http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/
Nintendork Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 I doubt I'd make much use of it at all.. Not that I can afford a MacBook pro. Seriously once you've tried OS X you wont want to go back, of course there are certain creature comforts like Office, Photoshop and the Mighty Mouse to make you feel at home.. but really it's a better platform. I don't use AIM so iChat is no good for me, I might use Windows XP to boot up for video conferencing over MSN- and games of course but that's about it. PS. Bogbas, how can you say a Mac is hugely overpriced despite having better build quality.. and in the same post a better OS. £449 BYODKM (bring your own display, keyboard and mouse) Mac's used to be exclusive, overpriced.. but the iMac, Mac Mini and the soon to be announced MacBook (replacing the iBook) are really quite competitive on the price, especially considering you get Tiger, iLife '06 and Front Row. I'm still running an iBook G4 with Tiger.. it's okay, I was thinking of waiting to upgrade my Mac when Leopard comes out late this year and just upping the ram and wireless in my current iBook.
Charlie Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 If I can get a 2 button scroll mouse You've always been able to use 2-buttoned mice on them, since about 1995 anyway. Even the MS Intellipoint mice work on them.
Nintendork Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 Hahah that was amusing when they released Mac drivers for the Intelli hardware.
Fields Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 Am I the only one who thinks this is a bad thing? There's a danger that developers will stop releasing Mac OS versions of their software now that Mac users can boot Windows. At least the smaller ones, anyway.
Nintendork Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 No risk, they're confident Mac OS pwnz enough that people will just use it 99% of the time. It's just to make the switch as easy as possible for the whole family I think. Of course there are implications for the gaming market, serious ones.. but not for the minor software industry. Mac dev community is super strong me thinks. Philosophically I think it's stupid, because Macs are renowned for reliability.. this comes from Apple designing all hardware and software.. having control of all aspects of the hardware from the centre of the OS. It's a shame if this tarnishes the reliability image of Apple instead of having the intended detremental effect on Windows XP.
gorrit Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 Totally legal now? Was it illegal before? As I said in my first post in this thread: And booting Windows on a Mac has always been legal. It's the other way around, booting Mac OS X on a non Mac is against the Mac EULA (though EULAs hasn't been proved in any european court as far as I know)
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