The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 So rather than come out with ANYTHING that could help you, you want to make threats about the town being less safe if you're lynched? I really don't buy the whole 'oh go on then just vote for me even though I'm town, I won't even defend myself' defence :p a townie wouldn't/shouldn't just give up like that.
jayseven Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I have people voting for me who have provided no information themselves. I have done nothing wrong to be voted for, it's just someone's whim that others have quickly followed up on - quicker than my vote after mr-paul's, btw - which is suspicious in itself. If you lynch me then you'll have a shortlist of mafiosos, which is to the town's favour. So yeah - surely actually killing someone off only on day three should be done upon some logical basis. There is no logic in the current trivial pursuit on me. One should approach mafia games with an open mind rather than merely having a narrow focus to chase a 'suspect' with. When you say "giving no info is suspicious!" then you over look "giving info may mean they have no info!" When you say "you voted quickly!" you overlook "well a whole other bunch of people voted quickly too!" With the latter, and my innocence proven with a potential lynch, surely you'll have a whole bunch of "tehy must be mafia!" guys to further chase.
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Everyone has info about themselves. Also everyone who has voted for you has been active in the discussion (besides Dazz who has only been active this day phase) and have contributed some form of information. It's just a fact that the quieter you are or the less information you give, the more suspicious you look. Active people who contribute to discussions and have information to give are less suspicious as it allows the risk of other people contradicting them or backing them up. It is helpful. Saying nothing and doing nothing is not helpful and not common.
jayseven Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 The quieter one is, the more likely is it that they have stuff to do in real life. My work means I get home half 5, and I want to catch up with forum/facebook so that's 30 mins at least, plus dinner... really I only have 3 hours to read stuff. On top of that I sometimes spend my evenings at my gf's or socialising (two-three times a week) and last weekend I was 250 miles away in Leeds with no access to a computer. Considering the youth of this game, it's fair to say that it's unfair to associate my lack of posting with some sort of suspicious behaviour. Staying quiet can also mean you get less involved with the reams of nonsense that pads these games these days. Sharing info with oneself is no guarentee that one is town, is it? And surely mafia players are likely to be more involved in a game thread, considering they are to be more alert to the townie's tide of thinking in order to succeed in their own aims? I'm just asking you to be objective, to realise that there is nothing whatsoever on me. It's so early in the game - play by probabilities. If, after this, suspicion is aroused enough for an investigator to target me, then they'll see i'm the townie I claim to be. Similarly, if the hypothesis you suggest is true and I'm mafia, then the next night I'd hesitate when it came to being nefarious, hence just by you signalling an interest, what is there to lose in trusting me and wating for investigators to have a go? Similarly, if you fail to respond to this logic, you and others who vote for me are adding suspicion to your own selves because surely only mafia will ignore anything I say and try to get a townie lynched? So yeah - essentially; I'm town. If you want more info then share yours. If you aren't willing to share yours then question why you're not willing, and consider why I'd not be willing (and don't stop when you get to "lol because ur maff lol"). So yeah. lynch me if you want because your feeling of stupidity afterwards will make me feel like a winner anyway.
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 So yeah - essentially; I'm town. If you want more info then share yours. If you aren't willing to share yours then question why you're not willing, and consider why I'd not be willing (and don't stop when you get to "lol because ur maff lol"). So yeah. I've shared plenty of information thanks. You haven't shared anything at all. You're here now, you're taking part now, what have you got to add? You voted for Dazz without even giving a real reason. I'm voting for you because I know nothing about you and still don't. You're actually saying if I want more info then share mine? Ok deal. I am Thor. I am good. I can enhance other people's weapons but doing so roleblocks them for the night (as I have taken their weapon away to work on). Jonnas can back this up and I've also targeted Cube but I don't think he'll get the benefit until tonight. lynch me if you want because your feeling of stupidity afterwards will make me feel like a winner anyway. If you allow yourself to be lynched so easily when you're town then I won't have any feeling of stupidity for your lynch. You've got a few votes, just saying your character's name would probably have put a lot of us at ease but instead you got aggressive about it. You don't have to give away anything that will put you in danger. Other people seem to have managed it so I don't see why you can't and won't despite people obviously wanting to hear something from you.
jayseven Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 You should consider why others have been so quick to vote, too. I am Frigg. Goddess (goddammit) of love. If you wish to continue with your nonsense, then feel free!
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Why is it nonsense to ask someone who has posted little and contributed nothing, to post more and contribute something?
jayseven Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 It's nonsense for you to continue to ask questions rather than take a step back and rationalise the situation. Oh! And nonsense to ignore the explanations I've given. I was away friday-sunday. I work.
heroicjanitor Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 It's nonsense for you to continue to ask questions rather than take a step back and rationalise the situation. Oh! And nonsense to ignore the explanations I've given. I was away friday-sunday. I work. But then your appropriate response should be to say sorry and give information? Also I am the Goddess of love so my vote stays.
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 It's nonsense for you to continue to ask questions rather than take a step back and rationalise the situation. Oh! And nonsense to ignore the explanations I've given. I was away friday-sunday. I work. It's Tuesday. I work too - yes being busy is a valid reason for not posting much but the content of the few posts you manage to make shouldn't be affected, also I really don't like when people use the real world to validate their actions (to this extent). The situation is that you haven't given us any information and when pressed you asked someone who has already given a lot of details about their own role and targets (myself) to give away more before revealing the absolute minimum - just your name. That would have cut it at the start but after drawing it out so much and the aggressive responses, I just don't trust you now. Also Heroicjanitor is the Goddess of love so can't be two.
jayseven Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 This isn't a couple's fight. When people pile on me quickly and I know I'm innocent then I'm eager to hear their argument, especially considering their argument is readily applied to several people. Just googled 'norse goddess of love' - came up with the wiki page for this; "In Norse mythology, Freyja (Old Norse the "Lady") is a goddess associated with love, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death. Go google my name. Go see who seems the most suspicious. Hint; it's you and your war/death links! Nice one.
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I just starred in a major action movie where I saved the world ;P I agree, by character alone I could probably be seen as evil but I've given more than enough evidence to prove that I'm on the side of the town. More than most anyway. And make up your mind, are you Frigg or Freyja?
jayseven Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I'm frigg. I'm saying I googled "norse goddess of love" to see who heroijan is, and got that result. You're still refusing to be objective about my posts, and that's not going to help you in the long run. I'm happy to martyr myself because I am good.
heroicjanitor Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I think you would have said Odin's wife if something about that wasn't suspicious. If you were Frigg. I don't believe you anyway.
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 You're still refusing to be objective about my posts, and that's not going to help you in the long run. I'm happy to martyr myself because I am good. What exactly do you want me to do?
heroicjanitor Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Also Freyja is associated with war and death because she receives half of those that die in battle. She is primarily about love and beauty. Do you have any connections with Odin Jay? Can you speak to him/ do you know where he is?
jayseven Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 ... Why? Why spend so much attention on what you think I'd've said when actually it's what you would've said in my shoes. All I'm asking is you evaluate why you're suspicious of me. At the moment you and peeps are simply interrogating me as if I'm already evil. I'm just asking you consider that I'm telling the truth, and see how that effects your current standpoint. Personally I'm just looking at you two and thinking that you're clutching at straws. heroijan I've no idea if you are the character I found via google, but from what you're saying you're claiming to be a derived interpretation of me. Are you Freyja? The accusations of "being quiet" are met with "I was away, and now I'm here and noisy!" Again - take a step back and actually look at what you're saying, guys. You can't say I'm both too quiet yet too defensive. I've explained my previous quietness, and it's only obvious that someone with a bunch of votes is going to defend their position. Peeps; I want you to re-read all I've posted today with the assumtion "this guy is town" and see how what I say makes utter sense. Heroijan; I can't contact anyone at all.
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 In Norse mythology/what I learnt from Chair's Thor mafia (on another forum)... Odin is king of Asgard and effectively good and also Thor's father. Some of this is going to be mixed with the Marvel comic Thor but I'm trying to cross-reference with the actual Norse mythology on wikipedia (not that Tales said it would be following it to the book). So I would've assumed Odin to be good in this game and as Odin's wife, Frigg would probably be good. However, Odin is referenced in Tales's write-up so is likely to not be an actual playable character. I got sidetracked by looking at stuff in this thread and wikipedia so I've lost my flow and am just posting this :p
jayseven Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I should've been in bed an hour ago (to reiterate my dedication to my innocence) so I'll head off now. Won't be able to post 'til 6ish tomorrow so hey! go crazy. I'd recommend checking on heroijan's story. Also, if odin is central to the 'story' tales is spinning, it's not uncertain that thor won't be trying to take the throne or something. Currently that's pure speculation, but unlike you nuggets I'm just going to state this rumour rather than waste everyone's time. Again; check who's voted for me. They're not being smart.
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Jay, you weren't being especially helpful upon your arrival which didn't help matters. Most of the votes I expect were influenced by a desperate urgency to just do something in this day phase as well as going for someone who hasn't offered much to debate over. Now that you're posting more and you're actually offering debate, I'm less inclined to martyr you - as you put it. I'm sorry if it came across that I was already under the impression that you were evil, I did have an open mind while reading your posts. It's just that the aggressive manner and the stubbornness was just working against you.
heroicjanitor Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I'm not assuming you're guilty Jay, it was just very strange how you gave a bunch of reasons for not posting instead of giving some information or discussing something. I think you think we assume you are evil, but it's just a questioning. You look bad from the outside. So we now have a new character to add to the mix. His wife... Could go either way for me. Could be trying to get her son into power(if following Jayseven's speculation). Speculation doesn't help with nothing to back it up. And yeah remove vote since he is talking and we have some information to try to catch him on at some stage. Who is next? :p
EddieColeslaw Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 jay, what's your power (don't really expect you to say, but if you feel like it...)? From Wikipedia, I would assume that you're either some kind of prophet, or a doctor (the "love" part). It's kind of weird that you described your character as the goddess of love though, because she isn't described like that, but Freyja is. Upon further research, Freyja is associated with magic, while Frigg is not. http://www.goddessfreya.info/reference/article3.htm This might all be irrelevant, of course. But the two are so similar, that one must be one and the other must be evil? Or their conditions are connected in some way, since "there is an argument is that Frigg and Freyja are similar goddesses from different pantheons who were first conflated into each other and then later seen as separate goddesses again"?
The Peeps Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 @ Heroicjanitor & Jayseven Does it say 'goddess of love' in your role PM? I doubt we'd have two with that description. remove vote because Frigg is probably not mafia - though we don't know if the mafia are randomly chosen or if they're a faction of mortals / traitorous gods. Although new info from Eddiecoleslaw... wonder what'd happen if Jay targeted herojan or vice versa. No clue of either of their powers but it seems that there could be a potential link up? Heroicjanitor can you confirm yourself as Freyja or are you someone else?
heroicjanitor Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I am indeed Freyja and in my role pm it says I am Freyja, Goddess of love and beauty. I think Jayseven described himself like that for a reason, since Tales would know better. Frigg means "love" or "beloved one", since she is Odin's wife. She is the Goddess of married women.
Rummy Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 I'm confused as to why we suspect jay/are voting for him, I see a lot of arguments around semantics of things rather than actual evidence(a point well raised by jay himself in his posts). However, I also know he's uber at mafia, so I shall take him with a pinch of salt. I did have a question for Dazz though(only skim read the last few pages, I too haven't been active), was the lance ever used on yourself?
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