gaggle64 Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I'll bend over backwards and eat the underwear straight off my backside if Ferrari aren't lining up with a tier-less budget capped grid in place next year. I will then regurgitate and eat them again if that's anything other then exactly what Bernie and Max wanted.
Retro_Link Posted May 13, 2009 Author Posted May 13, 2009 Joining Ferrari, Toyota and Red Bull/Toro Rosso Renault would also pull out of 2010: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75287 I love how McLaren are seemingly staying silent on everything involving the FIA at the moment, after what went on in Austrailia, the wimps! They were the only team not to officially protest the DDD, and now it seems they are keeping quiet on this atm!
Emerald Emblem Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 Lola is going to submit an entry for 2010: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9356.html
Goron_3 Posted May 16, 2009 Posted May 16, 2009 Lola is going to submit an entry for 2010:http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9356.html Catch 22 though..they only want to enter if there's a budget AND there's 2 tiers.
Retro_Link Posted May 16, 2009 Author Posted May 16, 2009 Should Ferrari, Renault, Red Bull, Toyota leave, I honestly can't see myself watching F1, at least not for a good few years. Thinking about it, Ferrari really do add so much to F1. They bring drama, excitement, history; they make McLaren interesting because of this rivalry that's developed between them on track. A championship between McLaren, Williams, Brawn, Force India and a bunch of newbies... who really cares!
Emerald Emblem Posted May 16, 2009 Posted May 16, 2009 Litespeed also planning on entering in 2010, they also believe they could emulate the sucess Brawn had: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8050970.stm
Retro_Link Posted May 18, 2009 Author Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) Nice little 'double interview' with Kimi and Lewis at last weekends Spanish GP. The Questions: Q. Where will you be in 10 years? Q. The best thing about F1? Q. The worst? Q. Favourite colour? Q. Favourite circuit? Q. Your job is... Q. Spain is... Q. Beach or mountains? Q. 2nd place is? Q. Fernando Alonso. Q. Speak Spanish? Edited May 19, 2009 by Retro_Link
Retro_Link Posted May 20, 2009 Author Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) Ferrari slams quality of new teams http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75443 Ferrari has blasted the quality of entries being lined up to join Formula 1 next year - even going so far as saying the sport would perhaps be better off rebranded as 'Formula GP3'. As AUTOSPORT revealed earlier today, the court case that took place in Paris yesterday revealed the list of teams serious about joining F1 was Wirth Research, Lola, USF1, Epsilon Euskadi, RML, Formtech, Campos and iSport. Ferrari has said it is shocked at the entries - and does not believe they are the kind of teams that will enhance F1's image. "They couldn't almost believe their eyes, the men and women working at Ferrari, when they read the papers this morning and found the names of the teams, declaring that they have the intention to race in Formula 1 in the next year," said a statement issued on Ferrari's website. The statement added: "Can a world championship with teams like them - with due respect - have the same value as today's Formula 1, where Ferrari, the big car manufacturers and teams, who created the history of this sport, compete? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it Formula GP3?" You've gotta agree with them!... it's quite shocking! Yes new teams are good for the sport, but I was just watching the classic Monaco races on the red button and you hear the likes of... Lotus, Porsche, Alfa Romeo... these are the teams that should be getting back on the F1 grid, and names like Aston Martin. Edited May 20, 2009 by Retro_Link
Goron_3 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 Seeing as Ferrari lost their case and probably won't be racing next year, looks like this'll be might last season watching the sport unless something changes :/ The two tier idea is spectacularly awful
danny Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 I dont know what will happen next year but if Ferrari, Renault, Toyota etc pull out and are replaced with these new budget teams it wont be Forumla one any more.
Retro_Link Posted May 20, 2009 Author Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) Seeing as Ferrari lost their case and probably won't be racing next year, looks like this'll be might last season watching the sport unless something changes :/ The two tier idea is spectacularly awful Bernie has said the two-tier system won't go ahead, though maybe that's just his thought and not definate: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8052680.stm It's now a case of whether any agreement can be met on the budget cap. With F1 2010 entries due at the end of the month, it's definaelty possible some big names wont be on the grid next year! And Mosley has said that if Ferrari and the other teams are late on deciding their future, they could well find themselves without gridslots. Also, Alonso worried over his future and the future of F1 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75445 "I tried to switch off and concentrate on this business," he said. "Here, when I am in Monaco, I will be 100 per cent focused on the grand prix, with the weekend. But it is true that last week when I was at home it was impossible to switch off because I don't know if this will be my last time in Monaco. "If the big teams and the big manufacturers leave F1 then I don't want to race with small teams, because it is not any more F1 and there are many other categories. "For me, it is strange that no one sat down and thought how we are damaging the sport, how much damage the sport has had in the last two months. To have those three or four new teams and losing seven of the big manufacturers I cannot understand - and not losing only seven manufacturers but losing the 10 best drivers in the world. It becomes no more interesting, F1." It really is rediculous! Edited May 20, 2009 by Retro_Link
gaggle64 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 I personally object strongly to the idea that losing some of the major manufacturers will limit the spectacle of F1, and Ferrari's frankly ridiculous accusation that these new teams would turn F1 into "GP3". It's the dedication and passion of small outfits that have built and coloured the finest eras of the sport, even as recently as the 90s. The budget cap is finally attracting the fresh blood that F1 desperately needs and the interest shown by teams and managers already successful in other racing series and related areas of motorsport looks like the healthiest possible progression of the sport. I'm surprised the likes of Toyota and Renault haven't left already, with corporate profits in the pan and still spending obscene amounts of money to achieve little or nothing. The budget cap will be a significant change, but I believe it has the potential to rejuvenate the sport and make it about something other then unfettered corporate spending power again. F1 as we know it is struggling, cap or no cap. Maybe now we'll be able to get F1 as it should be.
danny Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 I thaught F1 was suppposed to be the pinacle of motor sport. I fail to see how it can be without the manufacturers.
Retro_Link Posted May 20, 2009 Author Posted May 20, 2009 I thaught F1 was suppposed to be the pinacle of motor sport. I fail to see how it can be without the manufacturers.Yeah I agree.
Goron_3 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 I thaught F1 was suppposed to be the pinacle of motor sport. I fail to see how it can be without the manufacturers. Yeah it'll just be 'another' racing series (like A1GP or whatever it is), just with the F1 name. What a joke.
Emerald Emblem Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) The full list of new teams could be: Lola USF1 Wirth Research Epsilon Euskadi RML Formtech Campos Racing iSport Litespeed Prodrive Looking over the classic F1 moments I fail to see how losing a manufacturer or 2 could make a difference. I mean some were only not fond of the 2 tier system and with potential news of that not going through I don't think Ferrari leaving would make a difference. Does the pinnacle of motorsport mean having the most money should let you win? I feel the pinnacle of motortsport is the driver actually working the car and the car builders coming up with the best car within a certain limit, traction control made it pretty dull, how does that test the driver? F1 is arguable more entertaining 30 years ago compared to F1 now. Edited May 20, 2009 by Emerald Emblem
Goron_3 Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 The full list of new teams could be:Lola USF1 Wirth Research Epsilon Euskadi RML Formtech Campos Racing iSport Litespeed Prodrive Looking over the classic F1 moments I fail to see how losing a manufacturer or 2 could make a difference. I mean some were only not fond of the 2 tier system and with potential news of that not going through I don't think Ferrari leaving would make a difference. Does the pinnacle of motorsport mean having the most money should let you win? I feel the pinnacle of motortsport is the driver actually working the car and the car builders coming up with the best car within a certain limit, traction control made it pretty dull, how does that test the driver? F1 is arguable more entertaining 30 years ago compared to F1 now. If Ferrari leave, Red Bull, Torro Rosso, Renault and Toyota will all go too. The thing is, the whole 2 tier thing is basically like turning it into a new formula series. Look at the teams entering next season; it's a joke. They're only entering on the basis there's a budget and the fact that they get the name of the brand with it. They could run F3 teams with less than that amount but they won't because they're just jumping at the fact that they'll get the brand image of being in F1 too. I'm pretty sure all the big drivers are going to leave the sport. For certain i can see Kimi, Felipe, Alonso, Lewis and Kubica leaving. Mosley can go create his own series with 2 tiers etc, just don't go ruining F1.
danny Posted May 20, 2009 Posted May 20, 2009 The full list of new teams could be:Lola USF1 Wirth Research Epsilon Euskadi RML Formtech Campos Racing iSport Litespeed Prodrive Looking over the classic F1 moments I fail to see how losing a manufacturer or 2 could make a difference. I mean some were only not fond of the 2 tier system and with potential news of that not going through I don't think Ferrari leaving would make a difference. Does the pinnacle of motorsport mean having the most money should let you win? I feel the pinnacle of motortsport is the driver actually working the car and the car builders coming up with the best car within a certain limit, traction control made it pretty dull, how does that test the driver? F1 is arguable more entertaining 30 years ago compared to F1 now. Or bassically all of them. How long will BMW and Merc stay once all the reast have gone. If Ferrari go i think they and most of the other manufacturers will start there own series. With the rest of the manufacturers following the season after that. Maybe even some of the private teams will follow also once they realise F1 has gone to the dogs. F1 would fail and hopefully Mosley and Eccelstone will be ruined (but i doubt it they probably have millions stashed away but i can hope).
Retro_Link Posted May 20, 2009 Author Posted May 20, 2009 @ Goron and danny, Agreed!! Don't underestimate the draw and appeal a team like Ferrari and some of the other names bring to the sport. F1 would be in for a real finacial shock should such teams pull away from the sport, because no-one is going to want to pay £200+ for a race ticket to watch the likes of Lola, USF1, Wirth Research, Epsilon Euskadi, RML, Formtech, Campos Racing, iSport racing around the track. In removing the top manufacturers you are removing the history and foundation F1 is built upon and like Goron said [and indeed Ferrari], you might aswell rebrand the formula category. Yes F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle and a manufacturer such as Ferrari is a pinnacle manufacturer held in such regard for a reason. As well as the best drivers/technology, F1 is about the top teams and brands, true legendary names in motor racing battling it out. Raikkonen "For me, if Ferrari is not in F1 nor any other big team like BMW or McLaren, it is not good for F1. They are the teams that make F1 and if you change the teams for other teams, new teams that come from GP2 or somewhere else, then it is not the same any more. "F1 for me is all about the big teams, we race together and try to be the best. That is my opinion, but everybody has their own ideas." Webber When asked how important Ferrari is to F1, he said: "They are F1. The red car has to be on the Formula 1 grid."
Emerald Emblem Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 I think Ferrari are demanding too much in abolishing the budget cap as well. I mean maybe double the current proposed cap maybe. But if they make a happy medium we can have all that can potentially be lost. I'm only in favor of a budget cap and if Ferrari want a money advantage they are being selfish. Do they have that much a lack of faith in money management? Onto Monaco, I hope the Red Bulls improve in time for qualifying. I'm hoping Rubens is able to win this time.
danny Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 I think Ferrari are demanding too much in abolishing the budget cap as well. I mean maybe double the current proposed cap maybe. But if they make a happy medium we can have all that can potentially be lost. I'm only in favor of a budget cap and if Ferrari want a money advantage they are being selfish. Do they have that much a lack of faith in money management? Onto Monaco, I hope the Red Bulls improve in time for qualifying. I'm hoping Rubens is able to win this time. I think they just feel the team is run as a buisness. And therefore there shoudnt be any restrictions on them as far as investing goes. I know some of the big teams would have to make people redundant to get in under 40m.
Retro_Link Posted May 21, 2009 Author Posted May 21, 2009 Ferrari are happy working out a budget cap but over time with the other teams. They only tried playing this 'vitto' of theirs, so that this rediculous two-tier budget cap isn't rushed through for 2010. They're happy to establish some sort of cap for 2010 and then gradually bring this time over a time frame of a few years. Ecclestone worried Ferrari [and other manufacturers] will not end up submitting 2010 entries: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75461
Gizmo Posted May 21, 2009 Posted May 21, 2009 I think Ferrari are demanding too much in abolishing the budget cap as well. I mean maybe double the current proposed cap maybe. But if they make a happy medium we can have all that can potentially be lost. I'm only in favor of a budget cap and if Ferrari want a money advantage they are being selfish. Do they have that much a lack of faith in money management? Onto Monaco, I hope the Red Bulls improve in time for qualifying. I'm hoping Rubens is able to win this time. Yeah, I think the point is they are against the two-tier system, rather than the budget cap itself.
Retro_Link Posted May 22, 2009 Author Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) First new team in [under budget cap rules]... Campos's team lodges F1 entry http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75501 The Campos Racing team has confirmed its intention to enter Formula 1 in 2010, having lodged its entry for the championship tonight. The team, currently racing in the Spanish Formula 3 Championship, is owned by former grand prix driver Adrian Campos, who previously owned current GP2 champion Barwa Addax. This was initially believed to be the team which had F1 plans, something that was denied earlier this week. Campos Racing confirmed on Friday that at 00:05 it had lodged its entry for the championship under the budget cap rules. The official period to submit entries for next year opened today and closes on May 29. Campos said it has lodged its entry in conjunction with Meta Image, and that the F1 team would be called Campos Meta 1. Also, Kimi gets a new bionic targetting system for Monaco, :awesome: May the Force be with you!! Edited May 22, 2009 by Retro_Link
Noku Posted May 23, 2009 Posted May 23, 2009 Right, so Button in the pole then! Your thoughts? How do you Brits (pardon me if this is derogative in any way) cope with Hamilton's suckiness this season by the way? Does Jenson offer a good enough substitute?
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