The Politics Thread

[Fierce_LiNk]

 

Feminists are not for equality, they're a bunch of liars.

 

And all Muslims are terrorists, and all Liverpudlians steal car stereos.

[The fish]

Do I? Funny, because I have almost no accent.

 

Feminists are still filth.

 

From that post alone, I can determine that you are a sexist, misogynistic, ignorant fool. Not good qualities if you want people to seriously consider your views...

 

And all Muslims are terrorists, and all Liverpudlians steal car stereos.

 

The father of a friend of mine can often be heard to say "not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims". *points at IRA*.

[Mikey]

From that post alone, I can determine that you are a sexist, misogynistic, ignorant fool. Not good qualities if you want people to seriously consider your views...

 

I probably know more about those filth bag feminists than you do. So I can determine from your post, you are an idiot. You obviously don't even know the meaning of those words you spew either, so your accusations are meaningless to me.

 

Don't come running to the likes of me if you ever get falsely accused of rape, and the slut who accused you gets full anonymity, while your name is all over the media and you're tarred for life. Because that's the sort of horse shit those feminists have fought for.

 

And all Muslims are terrorists, and all Liverpudlians steal car stereos.

 

Fine then. Not all KKK members are bad people. Not all Nazis are like that. We can both play that whole, "they're not all like that" game.

 

Yes, it's fine to generalize when it comes to members of hate groups. Feminism is a hate group against men. You've gotta be fucking blind not to see it.

 

 

By the way, not only men hate feminists like I do. Plenty of women hate the fuckers too. Do I sound pissed off about them? Damn right I do. Men defending a hate group against them. Like black people defending the KKK as far as I'm concerned.

[The fish]

I probably know more about those filth bag feminists than you do. So I can determine from your post, you are an idiot. You obviously don't even know the meaning of those words you spew either, so your accusations are meaningless to me.

 

How dare you call me an idiot, when I do nothing but defend a group of people to which most females I know belong? As for knowing what words mean, I think you'll find that you are a massive hypocrite, as you obviously either do not know what a feminist is or you are indeed a sexist misogynist.

 

Yes, it's fine to generalize when it comes to members of hate groups. Feminism is a hate group against men. You've gotta be fucking blind not to see it.

 

So, by your logic, the Civil Rights movements in the 60's where all black-supremest?

Let me but it this way: feminists want equality between men and women. 60's Civil Rights activists wanted equality between whites and blacks.

You call feminism a hate group, ergo, you must therefore call Civil Rights a hate movement. If not, you're a hypocrite, and either way, you're a moron.

[Mikey]

I don't care who you know. Feminists are scum, and I don't care if any one you know is one.

 

Are you going to bring out the dictionary so you can quote what a feminist is from there.

 

I don't give a shit though.

 

Actions speak louder than any dictionary definition, and the feminists I've come across are vile scum.

 

You're like a black man defending the KKK, seriously.

 

No real feminist would ever defend you if you were screwed over by a woman. Well, maybe an ifeminist, but they're a tiny minority, and main stream feminists hate them.

 

You're really out of your depth here. I've read in to their filthy hate movement indepth, and I know what they're all about. Lies, myths, lesbians and man hating.

 

40% of NOW is lesbian if I'm not mistaken. I'm not bothered by lesbians, I'm just bothered by man hating butch lesbian feminists who hate men because all of the best pussy in the world isn't available to them. "Come here, Martha, I'll take you away from that evil, patriarchal male rapist".

 

Think you're late for your womyn's studies class aren't you?

[ipaul]

I don't care who you know. Feminists are scum, and I don't care if any one you know is one.

 

Are you going to bring out the dictionary so you can quote what a feminist is from there.

 

I don't give a shit though.

 

Actions speak louder than any dictionary definition, and the feminists I've come across are vile scum.

 

You're like a black man defending the KKK, seriously.

 

No real feminist would ever defend you if you were screwed over by a woman. Well, maybe an ifeminist, but main stream feminists hate them.

 

You're really out of your depth here. I've read in to their filthy hate movement indepth, and I know what they're all about. Lies, myths, lesbians and man hating.

 

I think you seem to be missing the point that fish is trying to say, by definition, feminists are a group of people who actively involved in equal rights for women. By your logic of seeing them as scum, you are indeed rather facist in a way. It's like you are directly saying 'I oppose equal rights for women'. Feminism is equal rights . Not this thing you seem to take it to mean, that all feminists are men hating and scum.

[The fish]

No real feminist would ever defend you if you were screwed over by a woman. Well, maybe an ifeminist, but they're a tiny minority, and main stream feminists hate them.

 

You seem to have gotten it the wrong way round - most feminists, regardless of gender or orientation, want women and men to be treated equally. A tiny, tiny minority of women, who are female superioritists.

 

By the way, I am direct proof that feminists are not evil lesbian bitches. I am a feminist, yet I am civil, straight, and male.

[fex]

I don't care who you know. Feminists are scum, and I don't care if any one you know is one.

 

Are you going to bring out the dictionary so you can quote what a feminist is from there.

 

I don't give a shit though.

 

 

I've met alot of nice feminists who are passionate about creating a fair society for us all to live within. And I'm afraid it's narrow minded people like yourself who prevent this from happening. Yes you get 'extreme' feminists of which their views are that the world would be a better place with out. And I don't agree with that. But it's rational and unfair to say that feminists are scum. I would consider myself a feminist, and I'm sure there's plenty of males out there who would consider there selfs as a feminist, or at least believe the cause is worth fighting for.

 

Your arrogance just shows what a sad world we live in.

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[Mikey]

I think you seem to be missing the point that fish is trying to say, by definition, feminists are a group of people who actively involved in equal rights for women. By your logic of seeing them as scum, you are indeed rather facist in a way. It's like you are directly saying 'I oppose equal rights for women'. Feminism is equal rights . Not this thing you seem to take it to mean, that all feminists are men hating and scum.

 

You think a woman being able to accuse any man of rape and for her identity not to be revealed, while his name is, is equal rights? I don't think so.

 

Feminists actively work against groups which help men. Erin Pizzey is a hero of mine, and she opened up the first woman's battered shelter in the UK. She dared to say that woman assault men too, and domestic violence isn't gender based. What happened? Feminists sent her death threats and killed her dog. She had to be escorted around the country by police for fear of her life. Eventually, feminists worked their way in to domestic violence shelters, and threw Pizzey out. Ever since, DV shelters have been breeding ground for man hating bitch feminists, who won't let boys 13 or over, in to their shelters.

 

Vermin.

 

Groups for men have tried to get funding for male victims of violence, and feminists almost always turn up with their lies and myths to stop it from happening. It's sickening.

[ipaul]

You think a woman being able to accuse any man of rape and for her identity not to be revealed, while his name is, is equal rights? I don't think so.

 

If she was actually raped then fair enough I say. If not, then she is clearly not a feminist. Not in the true, proper sense of the word.

[Mikey]

I've met alot of nice feminists who are passionate about creating a fair society for us all to live within. And I'm afraid it's narrow minded people like yourself who prevent this from happening. Yes you get 'extreme' feminists of which their views are that the world would be a better place with out. And I don't agree with that. But it's rational and unfair to say that feminists are scum. I would consider myself a feminist, and I'm sure there's plenty of males out there who would consider there selfs as a feminist, or at least believe their cause is worth fighting for.

 

Your arrogance just shows what a sad world we live in.

 

Then why do feminists oppose for both the name of both the man and woman's name to be either both named or for it to be kept anon in a rape case?

 

Don't even get me started on the pay gap myth which has been debunked over and over, yet continue to use on their assault on men.

 

Yeah, equality.

 

Google duke lacrosse rape case. You'll see what main stream feminists are all about. Bunch of white, straight, male hating ass holes.

[The fish]

Don't even get me started on the pay gap myth which has been debunked over and over, yet continue to use on their assault on men.

 

How odd, everyone, even some (male) employers, I know have said it definitly exists. It seems that the single, bitter, irrational bigot is much more likely to make up stuff, so I'm going to have to say I don't believe you.

 

As for the rape thing, male rape victims have their identity kept secret too, so there is equality there.

[fex]

Then why do feminists oppose for both the name of both the man and woman's name to be either both named or for it to be kept anon in a rape case?

 

Don't even get me started on the pay gap myth which has been debunked over and over, yet continue to use on their assault on men.

 

Yeah, equality.

 

Google duke lacrosse rape case. You'll see what main stream feminists are all about. Bunch of white, straight, male hating ass holes.

 

Of course theres a pay gap, FUCKING JESUS! An average woman, who leaves her career to go have a kid, then wants to return will struggle to. Because of child care issues therefore may only want to work part time / flexible hours. The work they get after having a child will most likely be alot lower payed and a job that requires alot lower skill than they are able to perform at.

 

Just look at the board in most big businesses or corporations and men will clearly dominate women in this sector, because fewer women are able to stay in the career they choose because of the reasons above.

 

Ok, put rape aside seen as you seem so fixated on the bloody subject, and look at the bigger picture.

 

You think a woman being able to accuse any man of rape and for her identity not to be revealed, while his name is, is equal rights? I don't think so.

 

I don't think its a case of the female having her identity covered, its about protecting the victim, male or female.

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[Mikey]

If she was actually raped then fair enough I say. If not, then she is clearly not a feminist. Not in the true, proper sense of the word.

 

Until the verdict is read out, then surely both the accuser and the accused deserve the same treatment? I'm sure you agree with that. Well feminists won't have that though, they oppose it.

 

Don't go by the definition of the word, actions speak louder than words.

 

Lets just say the people in charge of the dictionary changed the definiton of Nazi to "egalitarianism". Would you then call your self a Nazi? I wouldn't.

 

The Fish can go out and say it's only a minority of feminists who act like I've described, but it blatantly isn't. You go on to a mainstream feminist blog like Pandagon, and read about the duke lacrosse rape case, and all you'll see is guilty until proven innocent, and a load of comments which slam the accused because they were middle class, white, straight, and male, and the accuser was a black woman.

 

If feminists who were they claimed they were, I'd let them get on with it, and probably even support them, but they're not.

 

The KKK claim not to hate black people, and they are just pro white. They claim not to advocate violence, yet they assault black people. I don't buy any of it, just like I don't buy any of that feminist horse shit.

 

How odd, everyone, even some (male) employers, I know have said it definitly exists. It seems that the single, bitter, irrational bigot is much more likely to make up stuff, so I'm going to have to say I don't believe you.

 

As for the rape thing, male rape victims have their identity kept secret too, so there is equality there.

 

Women are always going to accuse men vastly more than the other way around. They know this. It's clearly biased.

 

The PAY GAP IS A LIE, ITS BEEN PROVEN A LIE. Yes, men get paid more by women, but for good reasons. I've been through this with you before, and you refuse to accept it. Head in sand.

 

 

By the way, the guy in that video, Warren Farrel, is a former president of NOW. (Former feminist, he seen the error of his ways)

[The fish]

read about the duke lacrosse rape case, and all you'll see is guilty until proven innocent, and a load of comments which slam the accused because they were middle class, white, straight, and male, and the accuser was a black woman.

 

I've just read about it. It seems that two were proven innocent, and a third was acquitted. As for the "guilty until proven innocent", well, that is how the US legal system works.

 

Get your facts straight if you wish to make a convincing case...

[ipaul]

Until the verdict is read out, then surely both the accuser and the accused deserve the same treatment? I'm sure you agree with that. Well feminists won't have that though, they oppose it.

 

Don't go by the definition of the word, actions speak louder than words.

 

Lets just say the people in charge of the dictionary changed the definiton of Nazi to "egalitarianism". Would you then call your self a Nazi? I wouldn't.

 

The Fish can go out and say it's only a minority of feminists who act like I've described, but it blatantly isn't. You go on to a mainstream feminist blog like Pandagon, and read about the duke lacrosse rape case, and all you'll see is guilty until proven innocent, and a load of comments which slam the accused because they were middle class, white, straight, and male, and the accuser was a black woman.

 

If feminists who were they claimed they were, I'd let them get on with it, and probably even support them, but they're not.

 

The KKK claim not to hate black people, and they are just pro white. They claim not to advocate violence, yet they assault black people. I don't buy any of it, just like I don't buy any of that feminist horse shit.

 

 

 

Women are always going to accuse men vastly more than the other way around. They know this. It's clearly biased.

 

The PAY GAP IS A LIE, ITS BEEN PROVEN A LIE. Yes, men get paid more by women, but for good reasons. I've been through this with you before, and you refuse to accept it. Head in sand.

 

 

By the way, the guy in that video, Warren Farrel, is a former president of NOW. (Former feminist, he seen the error of his ways)

 

The thing is though you seem to refuse definitions outright. Your view of feminism has clearly been changed in an overwhelmingly negative way. Don't make shit points like if nazis were called egalitarian, that's just so irrelevant and pointless. I can see your point of actions speak louder than words but it is only the female superiorists who go out of their way to do these kind of actions. A feminist is someone who is for equal rights for women. Nothing else. If a self proclaimed feminist does all the man hating stuff you talk about, then she is NOT a feminist. Much as she might like to think she is.

[Mikey]

Of course theres a pay gap, FUCKING JESUS! An average woman, who leaves her career to go have a kid, then wants to return will struggle to. Because of child care issues therefore may only want to work part time / flexible hours. The work they get after having a child will most likely be alot lower payed and a job that requires alot lower skill than they are able to perform at.

 

Just look at the board in most big businesses or corporations and men will clearly dominate women in this sector, because fewer women are able to stay in the career they choose because of the reasons above.

 

Ok, put rape aside seen as you seem so fixated on the bloody subject, and look at the bigger picture.

 

I don't think its a case of the female having her identity covered, its about protecting the victim, male or female.

 

You said it yourself.

 

Of course theres a pay gap, FUCKING JESUS! An average woman, who leaves her career to go have a kid, then wants to return will struggle to. Because of child care issues therefore may only want to work part time / flexible hours. The work they get after having a child will most likely be alot lower payed and a job that requires alot lower skill than they are able to perform at.

 

They have the choice to be as dedicated to work as men, and they CHOOSE not to. There's nothing for them to be complaining about, yet they bitch, moan and screech. Not only that, they claim it's discrimination!!!!

 

Like I said, half truths and lies. You've bought in to it hook, line and sinker.

 

Men do better than women at work because men are more dedicated. It's that simple.

 

It would make no sense to hire men for more, when they could hire women for less, if they both did an equally good jobs.

 

It's common freaking sense.

 

Yet you, and those damn feminists, just love to play the victim card.

 

Btw, women out number men are colleges. You don't see those feminist rats complain about that. You won't hear me complaining about it either, because it's most likely down to choice on behalf of the man.

[The fish]

The PAY GAP IS A LIE, ITS BEEN PROVEN A LIE. Yes, men get paid more by women, but for good reasons. I've been through this with you before, and you refuse to accept it. Head in sand.

 

 

That video is bordering on the moronic. He's saying the men earn more because they work more hours, which is, well, obvious. He's saying men earn more in different jobs to women, which is explainable - it's a different fucking job! In the same job for the same hours, women get less. It's been demonstrated time and time again.

[Mikey]

I've just read about it. It seems that two were proven innocent, and a third was acquitted. As for the "guilty until proven innocent", well, that is how the US legal system works.

 

Get your facts straight if you wish to make a convincing case...

 

That's not the point. SIIIIGH

 

It was the way those filth bag feminists conducted theirselves before it all ended. Feminists, lead by that sex, and racer pandering prick Mike Nifong, all went on to a witch hunt to convict these guys even though nothing was proven, and they were eventually found innocent.

 

After all of this happened, those lovely egalitarian feminists, on sites like pandagon and feministing, all went very quiet.

 

That video is bordering on the moronic. He's saying the men earn more because they work more hours, which is, well, obvious. He's saying men earn more in different jobs to women, which is explainable - it's a different fucking job! In the same job for the same hours, women get less. It's been demonstrated time and time again.

 

No it hasn't been demonstrated time and time again, it's a total lie. You also need to take in to account work experience, and years at the same job.

 

IF WHAT YOU SAID IS THE CASE, IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE TO HIRE MEN.

 

You're so full of shit. Keep defending the man haters, I'm sure they really appreciate a white, straight male defending them.

[The fish]

Of course theres a pay gap, FUCKING JESUS! An average woman, who leaves her career to go have a kid, then wants to return will struggle to. Because of child care issues therefore may only want to work part time / flexible hours. The work they get after having a child will most likely be alot lower payed and a job that requires alot lower skill than they are able to perform at.

 

You're missing the point entirely. If a women does an easier job than a man and gets paid less, fair enough. If a women works for less time than a man in the same job, but their salary is proportionally equal, fair enough. However, the problem is, hour for hour, in the same job, women get paid less.

 

That's not the point. SIIIIGH

 

It was the way those filth bag feminists conducted theirselves before it all ended. Feminists, lead by that sex, and racer pandering prick Mike Nifong, all went on to a witch hunt to convict these guys even though nothing was proven, and they were eventually found innocent.

 

After all of this happened, those lovely egalitarian feminists, on sites like pandagon and feministing, all went very quiet.

 

I think you'll find you're talking about the very vocal but also very few female supremests. They are not feminists.

[Mikey]

You're missing the point entirely. If a women does an easier job than a man and gets paid less, fair enough. If a women works for less time than a man in the same job, but their salary is proportionally equal, fair enough. However, the problem is, hour for hour, in the same job, women get paid less.

 

Are you taking in to account work experience, and amount of time at the same job? Where do you get your statistics from anyway? Probably a feminist source. Watch that video again.

 

Pay discrimination is self punishing.

 

No company in their right mind would pay men more money than women if all the factors were equal. If they did, they would lose money.

 

It really is common sense.

 

Yet most people refuse to accept it.

 

There's no debate to be had here as far as I'm concerned.

[The fish]

IF WHAT YOU SAID IS THE CASE, IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE TO HIRE MEN.

 

You're so full of shit. Keep defending the man haters, I'm sure they really appreciate a white, straight male defending them.

 

Men prefer hiring men? People like having both working for them so they can't get accused of sexism? Maybe they can only get women at the time of hiring? Maybe the employers are just fair, and both pay and hire fairly?

[fex]

They have the choice to be as dedicated to work as men, and they CHOOSE not to. There's nothing for them to be complaining about, yet they bitch, moan and screech. Not only that, they claim it's discrimination!!!!

 

So a couple want to have a child, the woman has to have time off to have the child and look after it. The current law allows women to have alot more time off in maternity leave than it does for the male to have off in paternity leave. Therefore in order for the child to get looked after, there is more chance the woman will be able to get the time off (paid) than the man. Again this is isn't fair and certainly isn't equal.

 

So thats where the problem starts, already there is an increase in 'house husbands' and if the law was changed so it were more 'equal' so men or women could take up to a year off to look after the baby, then perhaps we would see a decrease in the mount of women dropping out of their careers.

 

 

SO BEFORE RANTING AND RAVING SAYING DO SOME FUCKIN' HOMEWORK AND USE WHATEVER PART OF YOUR BRAIN WORKS TO LOOK INTO THE REASONS WHY.

 

 

 

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[Mikey]

You're missing the point entirely. If a women does an easier job than a man and gets paid less, fair enough. If a women works for less time than a man in the same job, but their salary is proportionally equal, fair enough. However, the problem is, hour for hour, in the same job, women get paid less.

 

 

 

I think you'll find you're talking about the very vocal but also very few female supremests. They are not feminists.

 

Really? Pandagon and feministing are 2 of the most well known feminist blogs on the internet. They are accepted as totally main stream. I am not talking about Andrea Dworkin here, who is a whole different case of ass hole, I'm talking about Amanda Marcotte who runs pandagon, and was part of the John Edwards presidential campaign. She is accepted by almost every feminist I've seen as moderate. It's sickening.

[The fish]

Are you taking in to account work experience, and amount of time at the same job? Where do you get your statistics from anyway? Probably a feminist source. Watch that video again.

 

Um, Census' and Wikipedia? People I know? This can apply to equally qualified people in the same job for the same time. Besides, why would there be such a fuss if there wasn't? What would feminists (especially male ones, like myself) gain from making such a big fuss about it?