Cube Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 It's a nice post DCK, but I don't think it'd overcome the huge hurdle that is the fact there is a huge lack of software for the hardcore demographic, which is ultimately why peopel question Nintendo's intentions. Please tell me what games are these "hardcore" games you are talking about are. I wish people would give examples when they talk about "hardcore" games....the meaning is really flexible.
c0Zm1c Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 Anything other than the simpler games designed for the inexperienced, I would imagine. As far as I'm concerned there's plenty of such games on the Wii. If there wasn't I'd have given up on it long before now.
Tellyn Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 I highly disaprove of this gamers edition. It's just going to inflate the egos of those who think they'e "hardcore" and that they're the only ones who know what's good and laugh at "casual games" and "non games". Then they'll also post more things like "AAA", "hardcore" and "epic", which truly annoys me.Also, from recent interviews and studies most Wiis have been bought by "core gamers", not by grannies. Exactly, it's going to separate consumers into groups. The point of the Wii (it means 'we' as in 'we play together') is to break the wall between casuals and cores, releasing the Wii Gamer's Edition would be like ringing Osama Bin Laden to help you rebuild the Berlin Wall. And of course that would then royally piss off the nigh on 16 million people worldwide who bought a Wii, only to see a better one come out a year after they bought it.
Cube Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 Exactly, it's going to separate consumers into groups. The point of the Wii (it means 'we' as in 'we play together') is to break the wall between casuals and cores, releasing the Wii Gamer's Edition would be like ringing Osama Bin Laden to help you rebuild the Berlin Wall. And of course that would then royally piss off the nigh on 16 million people worldwide who bought a Wii, only to see a better one come out a year after they bought it. Yea, it would be the opposite of Sony - they're making the early adopters feel good by removing features from new models every few months.
Pit-Jr Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 I think DCK's idea is great. Id swiftly sell off my memory-less Wii for an improved one that actually takes my needs into consideration, as most of you probably would too. As for 'confusing' the consumer, Nintendo already does this with its dozen versions of the GBA and DS, so why stop now?
DCK Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 The point of the Wii (it means 'we' as in 'we play together') is to break the wall between casuals and cores, releasing the Wii Gamer's Edition would be like ringing Osama Bin Laden to help you rebuild the Berlin Wall. Yeah, I guess you're right. In the end though, I think it'd solve more problems than create them. Guess I brought out the idea because I thought it would be very cool. Personally, as a more serious gamer, I'd love to see them try. Think it wouldn't be bad business for them either.
tapedeck Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 Creating a Wii: GE would only eat into existing sales, flood the second hand market and create consumer confusion. Look at the confusion over data storage some people face when purchasing a PS3/360. You know what you are getting with Wii and that is a huge factor. Everyone is in the same boat which is a positive, potentially communal aspect. How about reverting to 1998 and looking at the Expansion Pak for the N64? Nearly ten years later and Nintendo haven't done such a thing again. And that came with support for AAA titles such as Perfect Dark, Majoras Mask, DK64 and Starcraft. I think that speaks volumes. I'm happy Wii has USB ports. if anything, that is where we will see development. I'm sure there are possibilities for USB data storage. Time will tell. I have to say that at the moment we seem to be facing a lack of specific genres on Wii. (As had been felt on both the N64 and GC). However, I'm sure they will come. I really feel we should be looking at the DS to attain where the Wii will be in a few years from now. Perhaps wii will get a Call Of Duty 5,6,7 on Wii (just like the DS inevitably will). And perhaps it will be "dumbed down" in certain ways (again, like the DS iteration). But will it be fun? (Like the DS version?). And will it have strengths? and weakneses? just like every other version? Of course. We are still in the early-early days of "pretty", 'glossy' graphics afterall. You have to ask yourself: (And have some kind of perspective). When we reach the point that photorealism is just "expected", where do we go from here? That is when the Okami's, Windwakers and Super Mario Galaxy's will be not only remembered, but revered and talked about with passion and meaning. Yes we remember the games that "wowed" us with their graphics. Yet one day it will be the artist, not the programmer that holds the key to the industry in the publics eye. I only hope that day has already begun when I look at the sales of Wii.
Fierce_LiNk Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 As for 'confusing' the consumer, Nintendo already does this with its dozen versions of the GBA and DS, so why stop now? I disagree with that, mainly because the revised versions of the GBA (SP) and DS (lite) are..well..revised. The SP was released to combat an earlier problem, the back-light. Then the micro was released, which sold all of ten units, and it does what it says on the tin, it really is micro. The lite is what the DS should have been. It's the DS, but lighter, smaller and more efficient. Haven't they stopped selling DS phat's anyway? I wouldn't say it confused customers in the slightest, at least nowhere near the scale of 20/40/60/80gb PS3 models.
Pit-Jr Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 I disagree with that, mainly because the revised versions of the GBA (SP) and DS (lite) are..well..revised. The SP was released to combat an earlier problem, the back-light. Then the micro was released, which sold all of ten units, and it does what it says on the tin, it really is micro. The lite is what the DS should have been. It's the DS, but lighter, smaller and more efficient. Haven't they stopped selling DS phat's anyway? I wouldn't say it confused customers in the slightest, at least nowhere near the scale of 20/40/60/80gb PS3 models. Fair enough, but then wouldnt a Wii Elite* combat an existing problem (lack of storage)? Isnt a Wii Elite what the Wii should have been? It works both ways. I think all this just goes to show that Nintendo should start using a little foresight and get its hardware right the first time *for lack of a better term
Fierce_LiNk Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 Fair enough, but then wouldnt a Wii Elite* combat an existing problem (lack of storage)? Isnt a Wii Elite what the Wii should have been? Only if they phased out the 'older' Wiis. It's not really the same idea, though. It's a different Wii aimed at a different crowd, right? The GBA: SP was used to combat the idea of..well...not being able to see your games. You can still use your Wii happily how it is. I think an easier solution rather than creating a new 'version' of the Wii would just be to allow either Nintendo or third parties to create external data storage devices, like hard drives for example. At the moment, you can use SD cards, which is ok for some situations, but in the long run I think a Hard Drive is more sensible. I think all this just goes to show that Nintendo should start using a little foresight and get its hardware right the first time *for lack of a better term I agree. I always think that the model Nintendo release should be the one that Nintendo intended.
Hellfire Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 If storage is the problem it's just easier to release a disk and a firmware update to allow USB HDDs
Cube Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 If storage is the problem it's just easier to release a disk and a firmware update to allow USB HDDs Yea. Still, I wouldn't half mind a hard drive the same shape as the Wii but 1/4 the size. With a little Wii-like stand. A "Mini Wii HDD"
c0Zm1c Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 I think optional USB memory device support is a good idea. It means people aren't forced to pay extra for a console with a large amount of built-in memory that they'll probably never fully use, and it provides a means of expanding the memory for those that will eventually need it.
Pit-Jr Posted December 30, 2007 Posted December 30, 2007 If storage is the problem it's just easier to release a disk and a firmware update to allow USB HDDs I agree with you 100 percent and beg the question, why havent they done this already? And i hope im wrong but i think it all boils down to them trying to find a way to profit from it. A Wii Elite or a Nintendo branded HD doesnt seem so unlikely when you consider the source.
Hellfire Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Yea. Still, I wouldn't half mind a hard drive the same shape as the Wii but 1/4 the size. With a little Wii-like stand. A "Mini Wii HDD" If storage is the problem it's just easier to release a disk and a firmware update to allow USB HDDs :P Still don't understand why they didn't do it myself either.
Domo Kun Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Does anyone really use more than around 2GB of storage? (assuming a regular size of a SD card is about 2GB) And the fact that we can re-download VC games... Although indeed, why not just allow us to use external hard drives if it's possible simply through a firmware update? And, isn't the Xbox360 compatable with external hard drives? Then why did they release the Elite at all!? That's a bit confusing.
c0Zm1c Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 And, isn't the Xbox360 compatable with external hard drives? Then why did they release the Elite at all!? That's a bit confusing. I think it can only be used for pictures, music, and videos, not downloadable games and game content. The PS3 also supports external hard drives, but again only for media I think.
Tellyn Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Is it too bloody hard for Nintendo to let us stream from SD cards? They've pushed SD cards so that we can 'back up' save data and games, but how's about letting us stream from it? Then they don't have to release a HDD (as they seem to be terrified of doing so) and since they've supported people purchasing SD cards since launch, they're not forcing anyone to buy a new product.
Cube Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Is it too bloody hard for Nintendo to let us stream from SD cards? They've pushed SD cards so that we can 'back up' save data and games, but how's about letting us stream from it? They put a very slow SD card reader in the Wii. So it isn't possible to stream larger (i.e. N64) games from an SD card.
Tellyn Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Oh of course. So a HDD really is the only option.
Tellyn Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Or USB memory sticks? True dat. Sony did that, I wonder if Nintendo would do the same?
Hellfire Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 I don't think that any card reader can stream data fast enough. Do they do it in PS3? I really don't know. But they don't need to be fast in order to load saves from them, that's something devs should work on.
c0Zm1c Posted December 31, 2007 Posted December 31, 2007 Would it need to stream it? Surely it could just load a game into the Wii's main memory (RAM) and play it from there, at least for the games that are no larger than the Wii's main memory?
DCK Posted January 1, 2008 Posted January 1, 2008 I don't think that any card reader can stream data fast enough.Yeah, there are plenty. The bandwidth of standard SD cards (and therefore, most readers) nowadays should be fast enough to stream most games, or at least copy them into the Wii's main memory quickly. The bandwidth of the Wii SD reader is probably slow because it's cheap and easy to program. USB sticks should be possible though. I wonder what's keeping Nintendo.
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