McPhee Posted May 4, 2007 Posted May 4, 2007 why not? are they afraid the staff there will knife you or something?
Ashley Posted May 4, 2007 Posted May 4, 2007 Spose its so we don't go in going "Nahhh we bought you, we own you, you're losers" or something as cool as that.
Emasher Posted May 4, 2007 Posted May 4, 2007 in my city in canada you can either buy games from: box stores (wal-mart, zellers ect. most people do this), buy from eb games or if you can find one an individual retailer. (not too many people i know shop online) but we really have only had one real gameish store
ZeldaFreak Posted May 6, 2007 Posted May 6, 2007 ;432506]I wasn't trying to defend it persay (never know how you spell that. Shorty??) but often if people are having rants I try and throw in the other angle as its easy to just start moaning and not think of the bigger picture. And "gaining a monopoly" is alas' date=' not illegal. It will happen. I dunno why people are so shocked by this. I wouldn't be suprised if in a few years Tescos'll buy Woolies as they're going down the swannie. (swanny?)[/quote'] Alas gaining a monopolly is againsst the law in terms of a Euro convention and our own monopoly and competition policy. Thats why their are so many national institutions try to prevent monopoly formation. And at least Gamestation actually know what they are talking about unlike Game.
Ashley Posted May 6, 2007 Posted May 6, 2007 Alas gaining a monopolly is againsst the law in terms of a Euro convention and our own monopoly and competition policy. Thats why their are so many national institutions try to prevent monopoly formation. But where is the line between aquiring business and attempting to gain a monopoly drawn? And at least Gamestation actually know what they are talking about unlike Game. Yeah because EVERY store has exactly the same staff members. Blates.
ZeldaFreak Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 ;435981"]But where is the line between aquiring business and attempting to gain a monopoly drawn? Yeah because EVERY store has exactly the same staff members. Blates. By the terms of the laws we have in place they use the working defination of a monoply to measure against when they need to get involved: "one firm which has more than 25% market share" To which I reply we have also in terms of firms which main source of revenue comes from the selling of video games. So it stil needs to be approved by monoply commission, which hasn't happened yet.
Cube Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 By the terms of the laws we have in place they use the working defination of a monoply to measure against when they need to get involved: "one firm which has more than 25% market share" To which I reply we have also in terms of firms which main source of revenue comes from the selling of video games. But GAME will probably come under "The Selling of Digital Media" (DVDs/CDs/Games/Software, etc), therefore noone has to approve GAME buying GameStation.
ZeldaFreak Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 But GAME will probably come under "The Selling of Digital Media" (DVDs/CDs/Games/Software, etc), therefore noone has to approve GAME buying GameStation. Well seen as they now no longer sell dvds in maost of their stores, and last time I was in they didn't sell software or CDs. So they will come under videogame retailer same as what CHiPs and Gamestation come under. And as I currently point out they haven't approved or rejected this takeover bid so that means they are still currently looking into it.
Ashley Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 But are they classified as "Specialist Gaming Media". Im not arguing that they are or not, I'd just like to see proof because I would presume they come under "Digital Entertainment", same as Cube.
ZeldaFreak Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 ;436793]But are they classified as "Specialist Gaming Media". Im not arguing that they are or not' date=' I'd just like to see proof because I would presume they come under "Digital Entertainment", same as Cube.[/quote'] What will happen is the monopoly commission will send undercover people to maybe one store per region for both Game and Gamestation if they class them as both similiar and different to other shops like HMV and Virgin. Then they will establish that they work out their market share before a takeover and after the takeover. If it means higher prices in regards to shops that sell multi entertainment formats like HMV and Virgin. They will work out whether or not it will lead to unfair treatment of the consumer if they rule it is then they will stop the takeover. And as far as bands as in "Digital Entertainment" - if your uni as a paid subscribtion to their data on shops and market share. Its like : - Digital Entertainment (1) = DVDs only Digital Entertainment (5) = Videogames only Digital Entertainment (6) = Retailer selling products from (1) to (5)
McPhee Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 Online stores count too though surely? In which case GAME dont hold anywhere near 25% Gamestation sell a lot of DVDs and games merch so they might not fall under the Video Games Specialist tag. Their main focus is the second hand market too so its not in direct competition with the likes of HMV, Woolies, Tesco etc. This will be approved by the monopoly commission, GAME aren't doing anything wrong. If they try to buy anyone else though then they'll have a hard time!
ZeldaFreak Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Online stores count too though surely? In which case GAME dont hold anywhere near 25% Gamestation sell a lot of DVDs and games merch so they might not fall under the Video Games Specialist tag. Their main focus is the second hand market too so its not in direct competition with the likes of HMV, Woolies, Tesco etc. This will be approved by the monopoly commission, GAME aren't doing anything wrong. If they try to buy anyone else though then they'll have a hard time! Firstly online and high street of kept seperate of each other. And Gamestation don't sell DVDs they sell games - I have been into all of the ones in the north east and a few down south and not one sold DVDs. And its nothing to do with which market they are targetting its what they actually sell and from the data game had the premier market share at around 22.75% and Gamestation had a market share at roughly 12%. Plus the monopoly commission don't compare Tescos and HMV with Gamestaion and Game. They compare CHiPs/Gamestation/Game/other independent chains of game shops. The monopoly commission normally doesn't approve anything.
Ashley Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 And Gamestation don't sell DVDs they sell games The ones near me do.
Cube Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 And Gamestation don't sell DVDs they sell games All the ones in Rhyl, Manchester, Stockport and Sheffield have quite a large selection of DVDs. Also, where is the boundry between Games and Software? There's no direct division between the two...So Game/GameStation sell Software, too. Also, quite a few independant retailers also sell DVDs and Software....so would they simply be excluded from all calculations. Unless you simply class it all as "Digital Media", the Competition Commission (The Monopoly and Mergers Commission ended in 1999) would have a lot of work on their hands. The figures you wrote are probably based on the total sales of the company (Games, DVDs, Software, Merchandise, etc), and comparede with companies who advertise themselves as Video/Computer Game Stores - Which isn't exactly fair to put on the basis of an investigation. The Competition Commission will investigate if the merge will bring the share to over 25%. They look into things like predatory pricing (selling their products at very low prices to worm out the independant stores without even buying them) - GAME will probably take no effort to "worm out" the independant, smaller stores, and will probably just keep games at RRP.
Rummy Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Firstly online and high street of kept seperate of each other. And Gamestation don't sell DVDs they sell games - I have been into all of the ones in the north east and a few down south and not one sold DVDs. And its nothing to do with which market they are targetting its what they actually sell and from the data game had the premier market share at around 22.75% and Gamestation had a market share at roughly 12%. Plus the monopoly commission don't compare Tescos and HMV with Gamestaion and Game. They compare CHiPs/Gamestation/Game/other independent chains of game shops. The monopoly commission normally doesn't approve anything. I don't know about brand new DVDs, but they definitely sell preowned DVDs.
Charlie Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 So what happens if it is declared they do have a monopoly? If they get any restrictions surely that is going against the basis of our capitalist society...
ZeldaFreak Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 So what happens if it is declared they do have a monopoly? If they get any restrictions surely that is going against the basis of our capitalist society... They'll get told you can't. And then Game goes dog darn it. While gamers cheer. Plus Eb Games owns Game(which owns a string of companies in EU and Austrailia) and own Gamestop so it will be stopped.
Cube Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Plus Eb Games owns Game(which owns a string of companies in EU and Austrailia) and own Gamestop so it will be stopped. EB Games UK was set up in the UK on it's own - it just borrowed the name and logo from the US stores. The US Chain doesn't own anything in this country.
Jimbob Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 EB Games UK was set up in the UK on it's own - it just borrowed the name and logo from the US stores. The US Chain doesn't own anything in this country. Then GAME bought out EB in the UK and made all the stores GAME, and now bought out Gamestation which is a good move in my opinion. And Gamestation still get to trade under the Gamestation name. I got better service in GAME than in Gamestation when i was purchasing my 360 and got a better offer as well in GAME which was even nicer.
Cube Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Then GAME bought out EB in the UK and made all the stores GAME, and now bought out Gamestation which is a good move in my opinion. And Gamestation still get to trade under the Gamestation name. EB UK took over GAME, then changed their own name to GAME to remove the borrowed US branding.
ZeldaFreak Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 EB Games UK was set up in the UK on it's own - it just borrowed the name and logo from the US stores. The US Chain doesn't own anything in this country. Not quite true GAME group PLC still pays EB Games a fixed amount per year. And Eb Games (Us) own about 10% of their total shares. So.. Then GAME bought out EB in the UK and made all the stores GAME, and now bought out Gamestation which is a good move in my opinion. And Gamestation still get to trade under the Gamestation name. I got better service in GAME than in Gamestation when i was purchasing my 360 and got a better offer as well in GAME which was even nicer. Must GAME are like the pirates of the retail world. I went into trade in a couple of games. And they claimed I only brought one in. Whereas gamestation weren't as far up their own backsides as GAME, so they would actually offer good deals on new games unlike GAME.
Rummy Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Then GAME bought out EB in the UK and made all the stores GAME, and now bought out Gamestation which is a good move in my opinion. And Gamestation still get to trade under the Gamestation name. I got better service in GAME than in Gamestation when i was purchasing my 360 and got a better offer as well in GAME which was even nicer. I was going to correct you, but someone else did but I already quoted this. Not quite true GAME group PLC still pays EB Games a fixed amount per year. And Eb Games (Us) own about 10% of their total shares. So.. Got some sauce to go with that?
Cube Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Got some sauce to go with that? What do you want? HP or Heinz? Here is the article. GAME finished paying EB in Jan 06.
Rummy Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Well, thats what I thought too. He said however that they're still paying them now, which is why I was after a source. (it's all about the BBQ sauce, brand irrelevant, or possibly burger)
Ashley Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 And they claimed I only brought one in. Not to be patronising but did you only bring one in? Anyway Gamestation also sell Bluray and (probably, not checked) HD-DVDs and all kinds of merchandise crap. So I doubt they'd be classed as a "Video Game Retailer".
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