Where is the Imagination!

[Aimless]

Okay, let's get these fallacies dealt with.

 

First of all: Developers are not porting games because they want to, they are making them because that is what they can get funding for. There are tonnes of original ideas out there, but to realise them requires money, and most developers can't risk — or even afford — the outlay required to create an original game if there's a risk they won't be able to get it published.

 

These are very risk-averse times for publishers, where hi-def budgets are making it all the more important to sign up only surefire hits. Before the Wii launched, who knew it was going to take off so spectacularly? I can tell you now the publishers didn't; it's debatable nor did Nintendo. So now the Wii's looking like a good money-spinner companies want to pledge their support and get a finger in the pie. However, original games take time to create — far more than the few months the machine has been out — so in the meantime they can convert titles from other machines within a far smaller time frame.

 

Second point: There is no drought. When people say there aren't any Wii games, what they mean is that Metroid Prime 3 isn't out. There are plenty of games available, both first- and third-party. In fact there are threads on here saying how great Kororinpa, Sonic and the Secret Rings and Dragonball Z are, but because they aren't made by Nintendo apparently they don't count.

 

To be honest, I think the Wii is doing far better on the third-party front than the DS was at a similar point in time. EA are really throwing themselves behind Nintendo this round, with SSX Blur and The Godfather showing that they 'get' new control schemes. The machine has only been out 5 months, and sequel-peddling EA, the biggest publisher in the world, not only has good games released, but has shown they understand the system.

 

Now stop bloody moaning about nothing!

[Fierce_LiNk]

When you try to step away from the norm, you do end up taking quite a big risk. The DS itself was a risk, and so was/is the Wii. They're pretty big risks, as if the DS had failed, where would that leave Nintendo? The PSP would surely have over-run the handheld market and we'd see the whole Playstation uprising in handheld form.

 

The DS was an educated risk. The idea behind it was that you would be playing games like never before. It was offered as an escape from the norm, something different. The Wii does this, too. Now, did Nintendo HAVE to make such a risky system such as the Wii? Of course. They had because since the SNES days, they have been seeing a steady decline in sales. The N64 didn't do as well as it should have, and whilst the Gamecube was an awesome system and made a profit for Nintendo, it did not do as well as they had hoped. So, yes, they HAD to make a risky choice, and so far it has paid off.

 

Publishers and Developers have to do the same thing. Why won't EA make the next Fifa cel-shaded? Sure, that would be imaginative. But, why do that? Better still, there is one reason why they wouldn't do it. The public wouldn't want that. If they don't want it, it will not sell.

 

Having some imagination in your games is awesome, but it does not always guarantee success. There is not much point in EA spending two years or so perfecting Fifa 2008 for the Wii, because by the time they would have finished, 2009 and 2010 would have been released. Timeframes are important.

 

Trouble is, a lot of these games that have been churned out have been created in a less than decent timeframe. Did CoD3 for the Wii take 2 years to create from the ground-up? With a new control system to work at, as well. Bare in mind, only 6.5 million Wiis have been sold at this moment in time. At this point, it is important for Nintendo to get as many units into the market as soon as they can. When sales come, so does the support. If developers look at the system and think "oh, thats selling." They'll be much more positive when it comes to working towards that system.

[Hellfire]

Hellfire pointing out someones persistant bitching? Well I never.

 

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.

Well, but I do agree to some extent. However it was expected, DS's first year/year and a half was the same. Right now devs just want cheap ports. There are two things that I want: games that make good use of the wiimote, even if it's in a traditional way (Zelda, SSX Blur, Godfather, Red Steel, Madden) and original games that couldn't be played anywhere else (Wario Ware, Cooking Mama). I want to see both types of games and I am satisfied so far, BUT developers need to prove that they have imagination like they did with DS.

Time will tell. From Nintendo we'll have MP3 which isn't exactly groundbreaking idea wise but it will probably be awesome, but we'll also have Mario Galaxy that makes extreme good and original use of the Wiimote.

Again, time will tell, for the moment I am satisfied.

Edit: About funding, it's one of the Major Wii advantages, devs with little moneyand good ideas can still develop games for the Wii. The problem is having ideas. And people moaning about graphics.

[DCK]

Sadness had more potential than all the Madden's, Fifa's and bloody Ubisoft shit. So what the developers had ambition, why should this be criticised! I though Wii was supposed to give developers like this a chance!

There's a difference between ambition and fantasy. I too would've been hyped about Sadness if we got anything to believe it's a real game, but it's all bloated promises and nothing concrete. And that's already lasting since TGS 2005.

 

The Wii should give devs like that a chance indeed (though not really more of a chance than they had on GameCube) but that means that ideas have to turn into actual games.

[Patch]

Second point: There is no drought. When people say there aren't any Wii games, what they mean is that Metroid Prime 3 isn't out. There are plenty of games available, both first- and third-party. In fact there are threads on here saying how great Kororinpa, Sonic and the Secret Rings and Dragonball Z are, but because they aren't made by Nintendo apparently they don't count.

 

Now stop bloody moaning about nothing!

 

Amen brother.

I'm sure we're on the verge of the scientific discovery of a moaning gene.

 

This gene predisposes the subject to many hours sat in a dark room in front of the cool glow of a monitor, typing about how this sucks and that blows. They're probably completely unaware of rocking back and forth while muttering faint obsceneties to themselves.

[mcj metroid]

Amen brother.

I'm sure we're on the verge of the scientific discovery of a moaning gene.

 

This gene predisposes the subject to many hours sat in a dark room in front of the cool glow of a monitor, typing about how this sucks and that blows. They're probably completely unaware of rocking back and forth while muttering faint obsceneties to themselves.

 

Was there a point to that post?

[Owen]

I think when people moan (including myself) about Wii-releases, what we mean is: Theres no 'Nintendo' games out, theres no new big epic games, typical Nintendo style, which really shows-off the consoles capabilites!

 

I for one didn't buy a Wii just to buy VC downloads and some good third-party games, i wanted original, great fun, long-lasting, wow-moment games.

 

The DS for example. Most of the games i've purchased and 'really' enjoyed are the Nintendo ones, i don't mean the third-party games are rubbish, but there not as gripping as Nintendo ones nor do they use the touch-screen in ways Ninty do, the same goes for Wii.

[dazzybee]

For me theres TOO many great ganmes on the WII - STILL PLAYING EXCITE TRUCK, SONIC, KOROrinpa - I really want Godfather, Trauma Centre etc. The Wii has no problem whatsoever, and by Christmas things will be immense!!!

 

have some foresight people!

 

Yeah I see your point Owen, but we should see the good 3rd party support as a real postive too. Strikers is out soon, then Super Paper Mario, then BWii, and then the massive xmas lineup - its not that bad is it?

[McMad]

The reason many Wii owners are complaing is because they have bought a Nintendo console, and they expect to get Nintendo games.

 

Many people think like this because during the Nintendo 64 era the only reason why someone would own a Nintendo 64 was for Nintendo (and Rare) games, there were near to none quality 3rd party games so many older Nintendo fans tend to ignore third party games because they prefer the games they know and love from Nintendo.

 

The only time you'll see a 3rd party game really sell on a Nintendo console is when the game is considered better than most of Nintendo's own, Resident Evil 4 is a good example of this.

 

Although it is still early days so maybe 3rd party games of better standards will eventually show up.

[DCK]

Was there a point to that post?

Is there in yours?

 

Look Mcj, I respect what you're saying but would you not be so aggressive in your posts? It's not making your point any stronger you know.

 

Either way, all the people claiming 'game drought' should really start playing those games instead of dismissing them after seeing some screenshots.

I'm gonna love using this screenshot the coming years

[mcj metroid]

 

The fact that this hasn't been the first nor will it be the last time people complain about this doesn't bode well for the future.

 

i think nintendofreak complained first then i got in the act.....Maybe i missed out someone i don't know.

 

I'm not really agressive in my posts. If i wanted to get agressive with the guy i would have gone futher. Also that paper mario screenshot made no sense there. We are not complaining about games that aren't out we are complaining that there are no games to complain about in the first place.

[Patch]

Was there a point to that post?

 

Yes. Don't feel bad for missing it.

 

I'm not really agressive in my posts. If i wanted to get agressive with the guy i would have gone futher. Also that paper mario screenshot made no sense there. We are not complaining about games that aren't out we are complaining that there are no games to complain about in the first place.

 

TC is complaining about Wii games in general (released or not) that do not show much use of imagination. He is therefore complaining about plenty of games he has not played.

[DCK]

Also that paper mario screenshot made no sense there. We are not complaining about games that aren't out we are complaining that there are no games to complain about in the first place.

No, you're missing the point again. That SPM screen is there because you're complaining that the games out now aren't good enough, while you haven't played them.