Dannyboy-the-Dane
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One of those people you kinda believed would live forever.
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It looks like something out of the N64 era Zelda games, but I don't recall seeing a rooster with a black tail. (This isn't a guess, by the way.)
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You talk specifically about autism, a mental disorder, and you also mention general mental issues, so I took the post to be aimed at mental disorders in general.
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I do seem to have noticed a more rambling nature to your posts since you came back, but I always read them carefully to understand what you're trying to say, because I know it's bound to be interesting.
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I never said people with mild forms of mental illness were not actually suffering from mental illness.
Read closely! 
I said that it's a mistake to think of every individual idiosyncrasy and expression of personal weirdness as a mental illness, because that both devalues the suffering people with actual illnesses go through as well as our uniqueness as human beings. My overall point, which I'm sure you got, was naturally that there are many, many different degrees and types of mental states and conditions, and painting them all with the same, broad brush will never lead to anything good.I do agree with your overall points, I believe. You make an excellent one in that it's often hard to imagine how other people think and react. That's exactly the problem we face with mental illness - in both directions. That's why, as someone who's been close to these things, not just my own situation, but many others of varying seriousness as well, I felt it was important to debunk some of the common misconceptions about mental illness. The crux of the matter is trying to understand each other.
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Rest assured, I am planning my big debut.
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Just to say that what Rummy said is logical and isn't meant to belittle' date=' it's just meant to help people who are different to understand that the frustration [i']they[/i] feel when it seems nobody understand their issues is felt by everyone to some degree.
I think :P
I think though that understanding that there is some recognition, some deeper understanding available for anyone who is feeling different can help one shift their perceptions a little.
My friend (previously mentioned in another thread) has learnt to alter his behaviour - he has learnt not to get angry when people tell him he's repeating himself; he's learnt that they aren't trying to offend, or misunderstanding him, just trying to help.
People who aren't aware that they have a recognised thought process that causes confusion or conflict can find themselves to be angry, depressed, alone, and I think the first step is recognition, then one has to understand that the label they've now been stuck with is not the end of the world, which is what Rummy's hitting at I think? That being defined is no excuse to feel sorry for yourself, because everyone has an excuse to feel sorry for themselves and if we all spent our lives wallowing we'd never get anything done.
This comes from a seasonal wallower.
And however badly trained professionals may be perceived to be, they can understand and provide care far better than the generally ignorant public who, like you who, thinks the stigma is crippling.
So;
Live in ignorance and feel possibly misunderstood, alienated, confused, angry.
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Live with the knowledge of your label and feel justified, righteous, opressed and aloof.
'Treatment' can't cure but can try to help understanding prevail. Harmony is what we need, and that requires focus on teh individual, not the label.
That's all well and good, but where I really need to step off the bus is when people start to call mental illness nothing more than a label, an excuse. I'm going to be honest here, it angered me profusely when Rummy called mental illness a "first world problem", because that argument is quite frankly ridiculous. I could flip it around and say nobody should be happy about anything because there's always someone who has it better, but really, the main problem with calling it a "first world problem" is that it severely misses the point of what mental illness is and does.
What seems to really bother Rummy is apparently the impression he gets that people with mental conditions seem to use it as an excuse for not trying to improve, that the diagnosis doesn't help anything. To that I can only conclude that he knows very little about it. Trying to improve is not simply a matter of getting off your bum and pulling yourself together, it requires enormous, serious, focused effort, and even then you must be prepared to hit rock bottom several times. And remember, this is all just to function somewhat normally.
A diagnosis is important in order to deal with a mental condition properly. Like mentioned it requires a serious and focused effort on the specific areas where things aren't working. I've seen countless times what a wrong approach due to a misjudgement of the problem can do - best case scenario, it does nothing; worst case scenario, it makes everything much, much worse.
What Rummy describes are people who use a diagnosis as an excuse for getting their way and not trying to better themselves. While these people undoubtedly do exist, it is absolutely crucial to understand that this is NOT a fair representation of mental illness. In fact most people with severe mental illness wouldn't be able to even try to justify their behaviour - they're busy enough simply trying to get through the day.
Some of the people that Rummy describes - and now I'm moving into territory where I myself am only theorising - seem to be people with less severe issues or people who have already improved somewhat. They're able to function in their daily lives, but they're still dealing with stuff. That can actually be the most troublesome stage, because they've reached a level of functionality that can seem "sufficient" to them. A friend of mine told me about a relative of his who was suffering from severe depression. She would spend all day in bed, doing absolutely nothing. Then she went into treatment and started to improve, and once she reached a minimum of functionality, she killed herself. Until then she hadn't even been able to end her own suffering, which is what most people see as the absolutely last frontier.
The diagnosis system is by no means flawless, I'll be the first to acknowledge that. As we've discussed there seems to be a form of inflation happening, of every man and his dog wanting or being given some sort of diagnosis as soon as their personality is not completely rigid and perfect. This seems to be the actual issue Rummy is bothered by, this apparent tendency for some people to use some diagnosis they got to excuse their own annoying idiosyncrasies and to highlight that they're special.
These people are NOT in ANY way representative of people with actual mental illness and should never, ever be considered as such. They are ruining the respect and understanding that people have worked hard to build up around actual mental disabilities.
This is my point. YOU don't feel that *I* can say that. *I* don't realise how hard it is. Maybe I do realise how hard it is, but I just think there's much worse things out there? The latter point of your post was what I was saying, it's not the end of the world, and tbh, it's not as bad as a lot of other things. Not to mention it doesn't have a 'cure'. Autism isn't anything new, I'm sure, it's just becoming this bigger point of contention when I think it's probably always existed and people always survived. Now we have to put a label on it and make a big issue out of it. What much can you do for autism, really? Even in itself it's a spectrum, and I'd say most of the folks here are even on the better end of it.I'm beginning to see what you're driving at, and what I think is the point is that you're talking about relatively "mild" cases of autism. Most of what you say simply doesn't apply to more severe cases, which suggests to me you haven't been exposed much to such cases.
We can do a lot for autism (hell, I'm the prime example of that - you should have seen me when I was a kid), so why shouldn't we? Should we go back to the old days where we didn't make a big deal of it and just let people go about in their own little demon-ridden worlds? That seems awfully counterprogressive.
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It really frustrates me that people think its only the personality/social thing... -_- It has more than just that one symptom - sleep disorders, ocd, self harm, and sensory dysfunction, and a lack physical ability is common with autism.
The intense fear that comes from an episode/attack is not just being a little "different" or something you can just "deal with". Its a real disability. Things that most people don't even need to think about, things you subconsciously do, like going to the shops, arranging to meet a friend, going out to eat and ordering something... everything has its difficulty and manifests in obsession. Even someone turning the tv over or having it on too loud can set me off in a panic these days... do you honestly think I'd even consider admitting to that to anyone I know in real life as if it were a medal? I'm barely coming to terms with the fact I'm going to have to speak to my doctor about this
Exactly. Actual mental illness is not just a "phase", or some sort of joke or excuse. It's not something people just "snap out of" or "deal with", and it's definitely not some sort of "get out of jail for free" card that people use to get away with stuff. We can discuss whether there's some sort of "inflation" going on at the moment with "mild" mental conditions, but in order to do that we need to take proper mental illness seriously.
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The Cube situation goes like this: His power is to copy the power and alignment of the first to target him. The one who targetted him on night 1 was the tracker whose results get posted in green in the write-ups. On night 2 that person targetted you, DuD, while Cube targetted Yvonne.
The Rummy situation we're no wiser on.
Sorry, the EEVIL situation. Rummy's post above mine made me switch the names around.
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I am fully aware of that, but even people who have been diagnosed with it who just have mild "symptoms" are classed as having a mental condition and that is something I don't agree with.
That's fair enough. ADHD is a diagnosis I'm personally a little worried is being thrown around a little too lightly nowadays, and the problem is that it devalues mental conditions in some people's eyes (and as mentioned there's still a lot of people who don't take mental conditions seriously to begin with).
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Part of me feels that autism, aspergers etc. shouldn't necessarily be labelled as a mental condition or disability. It seems that everything that deviates from that which is designated "the norm" is classed as part of a condition these days.
Except that severe autism is clearly a heavily disabling as well as medically documented condition. We're not just talking introverted people with tendencies.
I think a lot of people would like to think that they're different, and therefore would like to be classed a mildly autistic, dyslexic or some such other. In reality we're all just sheeple.That may very well be the case, but to let that "devalue" actual, serious mental conditions is both naïve and counterproductive.
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Unless you've had severe mental issues yourself, Rummy, I don't feel you can say that. Do you actually know how hard it is? I could flip it around and point out that mental illnesses are often not taken seriously, with people saying they just need to "get over it" or something similar. Hell, I've had it "easy" compared to many. Sure, there are probably some who's keen to use it as an excuse, but that post comes off as needlessly cynical about mental illnesses in general.
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'Grats, Eddie!
It's happened rather quickly, hasn't it?I think the way you're crossing your arms Cube is the only thing dragging that photo down (apart from Peeps), it is a bit hindering in a sense that you look closed off and not relaxed. Not sure if it just me that thinks that though, otherwise I'd message youIn theory, yeah, but I don't think he looks particularly closed in this picture, especially with the smile.
If you want to be on the safe side, though, just crop it.
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37...to be expected really.
Can't be the Pokémon Master if I wasn't somewhat unhinged.
A friend is studying psychology and touched on autism/aspergers and noted that whenever symptoms were stated, he realised how much I fit them.
Nuts to getting it diagnosed though. I read a report about a go in his 40s who ended up getting checked and got classed as Autistic. Due to that, he lost his job and is struggling to find another one. Nuts to that. While I'm happy in my cave at the moment, I don't really know what the future would bring and I don't want to risk closing doors.
I seem to recall reading something about the inventor(s) of Pokémon being autistic?
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That firefly video looked unreal.
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"Tardigrades"? Creatures who can revive and are being sent into space? Surely that name is not a coincidence.
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Ah, all right then.
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21 does seem little, but I think they've done well in treating him just like any other criminal. The last thing he needs is more attention, and this piece of news actually puts the Norwegian prisons in the spotlight, not him.
Regarding the Nordic prison system... If we can turn off our irrational senses of vengeance and retribution, it makes perfect sense. It may be hard to swallow, seeing a criminal you hate being sent to a "cushy" prison, but in the end, it is the best for everyone.
Also, I recall reading about a similar prison in Austria, but it's been a while.
And again we are in uncanny agreement.
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To further explain: I got it into my head that Yvonne was the one who killed Dohnut because of how he used a rather minuscule detail to get EEVIL to confess, almost like he knew.
But as Yvonne was roleblocked it isn't him.
Thinking about it...it actually has zero indication to if EEVIL was telling the truth or not.
Although I don't think EEVIL had any particular reason to lie.
I was suspicious of Yvonne as well, considering he was apparently EEVIL's original target and the one to lead the lynch. If it wasn't for him apparently being roleblocked, I would suggest he might be the possessor.
You expected us to figure that out by ourselves? :p Thank you for coming clear, though.
A little clearing up, though: It's your own natural power that results in stuff related to you being posted in the write-up, right?
Also, surely you must be both a tracker and reverse tracker? How else would the write-up show that DuD targetted Yvonne?
But then why didn't heroicjanitor appear as well? Unless he actually didn't block Yvonne and is covering for him. [/paranoid again]
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As explained, I convinced myself about something, so my post about it being completely true based on that is a bit meaningless, but I still think it's true.
Fair enough. So you believe he was redirected?
DuD is not lying.You're determined to make this hard, huh?
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As Yvonne was roleblocked, I fully believe that EEVIL was telling the complete truth.
How so? Sorry if it's something obvious, but I don't see the connection.
(And by that, I meant that I incorrectly thought Yvonne caused the death on night 1)Now I'm even more confused.
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Cube didn't just sit there.. I have it on god authoritarrr that besides me, both Heroic (who's confirmed) and Cube (who seems reluctant to tell the truth) targeted Yvonne.
Peeps.. my questioning you was just to make my questioning seem more general.
Cube.. spill!
Cube already claimed yesterday to be have a non-targetting power, which seems like a weird lie to tell (especially that early) considering how quickly and easily it could be refuted - like you just claim to have done. It also fits his apparently peaceful nature.
My information is already out there.This post seems unusually laconic, however, but that may just be due to Cube's natural posting style.
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What I'm most keen on looking into is what actually transpired on night 1 and how much of what EEVIL said was true. If he wasn't the killer there'd be absolutely no good reason for him to claim as much, so normally I'd say we could safely assume he was. However, the killer was described as "relentless", which was also used to describe Tales's "killer", and I find that to be quite a coincidence.
Also worthy of note is the fact that it was the only kill that night (that we know of, at least), which points to it being the work of the mafia. However, this could again lend credit to EEVIL's claim that he was redirected, which opens up more questions about the nature of that redirection and its effect on his mimic power.
Could it all be "true"? I have a vague theory that we're dealing with some sort of "possession" killer who must take control of someone in order to perform the kill. A vague theory, but a theory nonetheless.
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Or he saw it as an opportunity to gain trust. Wine in front of me and all that. Though I have no reason to suspect him at this point.
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Isn't it also used by White Pride supporters? Or am I thinking of some other gesture?
Neil Armstrong has died
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It's funny you should mention it. A Danish comedian talked about this, how people remember the participants in reality shows like Big Brother, but not the people who went to the moon. He jokes about the third guy (whose name I unfortunately dont't know, either) being teased by the others for not having walked on the moon's surface.