Haden

On the topic of flaming if a christian posted "fools" as a response to atheist thought u can bet he would be flamed more than a guy standing under a space rocket at launch, but an atheist does it and its legitmate. Im not saying its right for anyone to do but just a bit of a shame really.

Being human are you calling yourself stupid or are you above the common guy? Thats true I guess although the cold war changed things but then again without ww2 there would be no cold war. So hmm lol. A type of state born from a historical theorom that tried to solve class issues that arose in the 19th century and was put into practice and ultimatley failed in the 20th century.

Wow illuminating. lol And welcome to the party odwin!

Charlie says: surely you can do whatever the hell you want with your bike behind closed doors Haden says: yeh lol Charlie says: (getting worried?) Yeh yes I am! You sicko Moria I bet u planted on some poor drunkard who woke up with spokes hanging off his crotch!

Nazism is the most extreme form of fascism. Hitler was a fascist for lots of reasons will go through them in a bit if this debate carries on bit tired atm lol. Yep the British and French in the interwar period acted very badly and quite weakly to be honest. Britian viewed Germany as a buffer state to Russian agression. But yeh it doesnt make what I said about Stalin being self serving wrong he was a complete bastard when it came to foriegn policy probably becuase he was a complete bastard when he came to domestic policy. But yeh realistically thank god as he helped us loads but that doesnt mean I cant call him a self serving horrific bastard of a man. Chicken or the egg i guess all I will say is human nature was around before communism was a speck in marxs eye and as I say the communist ideology in the manifesto is a massive force for division in society imo. Again I actaully have it and when im less tired I will pick out bits that stand out. It has loads of good stuff in it to though and the 19th century was a horrid time for lots of people that were in europe nevermind africa but yeh Im not gonna defend communism as a whole as anything that big goverment always ends up a disaster.

Yeh the Soviet Union helped us loads and we would have been in massive trouble without them. Your point is? I mean for god sake they were completley self serving they allied with Hitler. Hitler the Fascist! Then it was only when he betrayed them that they were forced to come to our side! Then after the war they annexed half of Europe. Having said that without them we would have been in big big trouble and frankly god knows what would have happened but I mean morally or however your tryna frame this not so good. And after the war they werent exactly big pals with us or eastern europe.

Wow I cant wait to bust open that secret file!

Ok then in that case every political theory is perfect bar humans lol

Awww wait I remember your gloating and mafia tatics odwin! If I get promoted I will be terrified if your not in a good mood it will be beats time. You seem to have an awesome defence but not so good attack atm? Why am I giving you tips your like the xpert god lol.

Pestneb Konfucius! You come back to us now at the turning of the tide! Cue Lord of the Rings music. Yeh we theists are still gonna lose the poll lol shame odwins to mentally scarred by xpert 11 defeat to cast his 100 votes

Ohh needed that win badly! Shame you won to Cube!! lol lol poor odwin missed penalty as well! Well done moria being in the league with odwin I understand what this means! Good fun start next in both leagues very tight at top of both.

rofl evil you deliever again is this guy a joke or real? Please say first lol

Im against the argument of majority means anything is right. So yeh you can twist it every way as everything has highs and lows. Im against the argument in all cases just to be clear not when it suits me lol.

Definatly no way is it perfect lets not be shifting all the blame onto humanity here.

lol lol no offense but the forum could go 99% to 1% in favour of atheism and the fact that someone like augustine is a christian and his arguments would still convince me of christianity. Majority doesnt = right churchill was the one of the only ones to say appeasement was a bad idea pre ww2 and well look at that.

Where have you been hiding I want to give you a hug! This is why christian fundementalism is not a bad thing. Christian nationalism as I like to call it on the other hand is. But the media has completley screwed up the word fundementalism to such an extent it basically means evil lunatic now.

Agh man the american response? After ww2 had ended in Europe Truman tried to make peace with Stalin and American foriegn policy was specifically aimed at avoiding a bi polar world and spheres of influence. Stalin rejected this and made demands to inherit some of the Italian Empire and refused to allow free elections in east europe. The dominance of one paticular part of America came to the fore becuase of events in east asia where american foriegn policy at the time oversimplyfied things sadly and made quite a few mistakes like chucking out experts on china becuase they were seen as "un american" but this was a fight within america and wasnt helped by the forces of communism fuelling it. As for communism the utopia I guess it would be nice but even if it worked out I disagree with its limitations to human thought by ruling out religion as a principle and the fact that it says morality shouldnt exist. As its basically turns humanity into a science experiment which makes life worthless and killing if something is agianst the experiment fine (as seen with the kulaks). Marx also makes so many character judgements on bourgraise people saying basically everyone in the class are cowards and disgusting yet he him self was hardly a poor worker and lenin was upper class!

Um... Ok by american you mean mcarthy? As you cant quantify an american response. And people are just disagreeing so I guess american means different points of view means not communist?

Im now an atheist... Me: what do you think of the fish? God: Is that a rhetorical question? Me: no God: Oh so must really want an answer. Me: yep God: Hurrah! Me: so? God: Ahem. Me: ffs im on your side! God: What kind of tackle do you use? Me: ... God: What kind of tackle do you use? Me: ... God: What kind of tackle do you use? Me: Bye!

Well said Dante man alive no wonder we dont get many girl forumites

Ah so you dont rule out any god thefish? Thats interesting I was wondering how that would even be possible. I guess your disagree with me here but I do give the first cause principle some credence just because I dont understand how matter no matter (pun!) how simple made itself and god by his nature didnt need to be created but well I bet this is gonna get locked prettty soon lol. Just thought id put my 2cents in although that isnt my complete argument for god just a reason. I wonder if videogame internet forums are a tilted reflection of young peoples beliefs or not. At uni I think theism gets an easier ride well at my one anyway. If not Alastair Mcgrath the death of atheism guy is in for a big suprise! I guess classical atheism has died out to a more meh athiesm. Ah well thats a subpoint.

Oh man Lenin. Everyone thinks hes a nice guy which in comparison to Stalin he was. And he did get betrayed. But boy was he a bastard as well. Man alive the bolshevicks really knew how to beat the crap out of people in there time. And che guavvera was also another disaster zone :S

This isnt gonna end well lol

Oh dear god communism... Oh man so much bad stuff to say, unbelivably bad. Um yeh nice utopian idea but in reality its caused such a shitstorm in history its unbelivable. That and Fascism were disasters and always will be. Divided people really horribly legitimising murder. And people still think its cool to wear communist leaders on tshirts whears if u did that with a fascist leader people would quite rightly think hmm hes a bit of a nutter. So in essence u my answer is no! Oh wait crap!

Just watched the gametrailers review seemed to come across as very positive looks like one to buy!