gaggle64 Posted June 11, 2006 Posted June 11, 2006 But why do they have this much power? Thats what I find wrong. How they are the be-all-and-end-all and it seems to get to some people's heads. Some directors have royally fucked up a film because they think they know whats best. I think the film industry should adopt the American show-runner scheme. It's part of the similarity film shares with theatre procution. Think of it like a car - you could have the best engine, chassis and wheels avialable, but wether it wins a race is still down to the driver.
MunKy Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 This is gonna suck. How can you remake a film that was perfectly brutal and emotional without screwing up? Especially if your Hollywood!. Ah well, shit happens, just seems that more of it is happening.
Mokong Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 i just come back from a working-holiday thing so i just seen this thread and just skimed through the first page. I can't believe this is goning to happen, i would have thought of all the Japanese films that BR wouldn't be remade *cough*ripped-off*cough* by hollywood, i figured its content would be a bit too much for them to want to go near. Why do hollywood insist on taking asian films and making substandard versions with (poor) american actors. The orginals are brilliant if they want more people to see them then just put the orginal asian versions in the cinema and give them a proper marketing campagine they deserve. All this crap about how western audiances won't watch films with asian actors or with subs is bull S***, i've had loads of friends who said they wouldn't watch a film in subs but when i finally get them to give one a try (usualy BR) they love it and want more
Ashley Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 The thing is, hollywood pays directors for their vision, its like peter jackson, he was involved in a shit load of lord of the rings, everything that was done had to be approved by him, and it worked well, sometimes it just doesnt work well. thats the way certain things go i guess. Which in itself is a sad state of affairs. At the end of the day films are all about the looks; the flash, the effects, the T&A when it should be about the storyline. Bah, just the rants of a bitter scriptwriter (wannabe).
dabookerman Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 Which in itself is a sad state of affairs. At the end of the day films are all about the looks; the flash, the effects, the T&A when it should be about the storyline. Bah, just the rants of a bitter scriptwriter (wannabe). And theres me wanting to be a director. The way directing goes for me, its exactly like being a captain of a team or a commander of something, u guide certain people, and get what u need. with the screenplay, i am not really inclined to rewrite certain parts, because i dont write screenplays.
Ashley Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 And theres me wanting to be a director. The way directing goes for me, its exactly like being a captain of a team or a commander of something, u guide certain people, and get what u need. with the screenplay, i am not really inclined to rewrite certain parts, because i dont write screenplays. Well thats the thing, some directors seem to take credit for everything. At the end of the day we don't know how much of a particular script is the original writer's and how much is the director's rewrites. Plus it depends upon the genre. An action film, sure that relies upon the mindless prettiness, whereas a comedy relies upon the script.
mariosmentor Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 Oldboy is getting the same treatment. People should leave asian films alone because its quite depressing to see it fire off to hollywood and break box offices around the world whereas the most likely better original doesn't seem to make an impact anywhere except its respective region. Hollywood will do anything to rip off something succesful, who's seen JSA(joint security area) that was about soldier relations on the border of north and south korea? Well thats being remade for america to deal with the fucking MEXICAN border and is to involve immigration...wtf? why not just rename you're movie after such a script overhaul? Well, the lowdown is that people will see these movies and believe that they are in fact original ideas from hollywood, i believe if something is to be ripped off then at least leave credit to them in the feature as little as "Based on the original..." that would make me a little bit happier but until they leave films to the proffesionals and the thieves go back to robbing supermarkets then i'm still going to be a pretty sad panda.
dabookerman Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 Well thats the thing, some directors seem to take credit for everything. At the end of the day we don't know how much of a particular script is the original writer's and how much is the director's rewrites. Plus it depends upon the genre. An action film, sure that relies upon the mindless prettiness, whereas a comedy relies upon the script. A lot of hollywood films are influenced from studios ive noticed. Comedies do rely on scripts, but some jokes are suggested by actors, especially on TV shows, Tv shows do improvise with scripts and such. IMO, directors should really focus on the vision, and getting what they need out of their actors, thats my opinion however.
gaggle64 Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 Thing is with the battle Royale Remake (and the Oldboy - please God no), it can't hope to be anything other then a watered-down version of the original, which is banned in the US cause of it's violence. Listen very carefully, and you can almost hear a group LA-based excutives discussing how to slip it in as 15-rated release, and keep it under an hour & 20 in order to maxamise its appeal to their "target demograph". Kiss goodbye to most of the story, most of the character relationships, most of violence and with it just about everything that makes Battle Royale a good film.
dabookerman Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 Wait, this is gonna start of like 187. Sam l jackson gets stabbed. except for BR it will be.. well it wont be him. it will be a mixture of white and black kids, u can garuntee the black kids having guns, because that is the stereotype of today (yes stupid i know) its gonna be terrible. not just because its a remake. simply because, it cant be done by hollywood.
Ashley Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 A lot of hollywood films are influenced from studios ive noticed. Comedies do rely on scripts, but some jokes are suggested by actors, especially on TV shows, Tv shows do improvise with scripts and such. IMO, directors should really focus on the vision, and getting what they need out of their actors, thats my opinion however. Depends on the TV shows. Arrested Development insists on not improvising the lines, but stage directions are rarely (if ever) given so thats up to the actors. Which I think helps due to its docu-style. I know Buffy/Angel/Firefly never (or at least very very very rarely) improvised due to the actor's respecting the written material. Then some improvise as they see fit.
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