Pestneb Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 tbh no political parties meet what I want from a party. on issues I don't really care about I'd vote for labour. on the issues I care for I can't vote. I guess I'd have received something locally, and thats who I tend to vote for - the local politician. Last time round I think I ended up voting conservative, because the labour and lib dem candidates in my area just generally suck. I don't like the conservatives on a lot of issues, but then the same applies to all the parties I'm aware of. now I'd say labour, providing the candidate was ok. why? because the conservatives imo are now just trying to mimic Labour, and why have a mimic party in power, when you can have the real thing. but it really depends on the local candidate
BlueStar Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 Labour had to sell out the ideals of their core support to get into office, appointing Cameron as party leader of the Tories is an attempt to do the same. Howard's reign showed that, in the current climate, the people of Britain don't want a traditional Tory governement. So they either out-liberal the liberal parties by having confrences about the environment, childcare etc and quietly sweeping all the immigration, tax and punishment stuff under the rug, or keep being the tories and stay scrapping at the bottom with the lib dems.
KKOB Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 i'd vote labour purely because i cant vote for the lib dems-not that i would with their new leader- beacause theyd never get in. and i would never vote for conservatives especially not when thet're effectively trying to be a smarmy-er version of new labour. labour generally do what they say they will and have introduced some really common sense laws and ammendments over the past like 10 years. although the whole id card thing is just a waste of money and what their doing to students is scandalous at least you know where you stand.
mike-zim Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 well i would vote Conservatives. labour are beginning to loose grip with Blair going. not going. going again ohh maybe he will stay afterall. they are relying on Conservatives to get bills through parliament. also if the conservatives get back the hunting ban will be lifted and about time too. it was rediculouse to ban fox hunting. labour have not delivered on making this country good. we have yobs and petty criminals all over the place. look at australia they have a conservative government and it is a great country. time for a change i think.
BlueStar Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 look at australia they have a conservative government So does Iran.
mike-zim Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 and iran has a culture that is similar to the uk does it? would it be a better place if they had a labour government? can you give me another inappropriate example?
BlueStar Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 I'm pointing out that another country having a government labled "conservative" or whatever and doing well is a pretty weak argument if the implcation is that a government would work equally well in a different country simply because it had the same name. And yes, I think if the moderate, less conservative guy had won the Iranian elections, Iran would be a much better place. Sweden has a socialist leaning government and they're doing well, guess we should bring back Scargill. America has a conservative government and a similar culture, why not use them as an example? Anyway, it's not like Australia is without its problems at the moment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sydney_race_riots
Fields Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 labour generally do what they say they will :D That's the funniest thing I've seen all day!
mike-zim Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 lol agreed really funny. EDIT. by the way i was at anfeild this weekend. great Robbie scoring on his birthday. fantastic.
BlueStar Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 The tories really were a friend of Anfield road weren't they. I can just imagine the roaring reception someone wearing a blue rosette in the Kop would get during the Thatcher years.
Dan_Dare Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 you guys shouldn't vote on the grounds of party policy. vote locally and see what your local representatives intend to support, instead. a good example is this: you don't support ID cards, a labour idea. the obvious solution would be to vote tory, right? what if your local labour candidate isnt in favour of ID cards either, but the tory guy is? you need to look closer, get involved and actually give a crap about this country. and anyone who won't vote because 'all politicians are wankers!' deserves to be slaped in the face. then kicked in the balls. twice. people around the world are murdered and incarcerated for years without charge because they believe in democracy. abusing your right to take part in a system you have by right is a morally indefensable insult.
Indigo Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 you guys shouldn't vote on the grounds of party policy. vote locally and see what your local representatives intend to support, instead. a good example is this: you don't support ID cards, a labour idea. the obvious solution would be to vote tory, right? what if your local labour candidate isnt in favour of ID cards either, but the tory guy is? An unlikely scenario, and even if the Labour candidate wasn't in favour of ID cards, it would make no difference. The bill has already gone through its second reading, and besides, a newly elected MP is very unlikely to rebel against their party. Party discipline in the Commons is too strong to possibly think about discarding party policy when you cast your vote. It'd be irrational. The only probable way the ID cards legislation is going to be scrapped is if the Conservatives are voted in at the next general election. For that reason, among others, I think I'd have to vote Conservative if there was a GE today. The Labour supporters who are dismissing the party under Cameron as "same old Tories" are very reminiscent of the Conservatives during the 1997 election campaign, who dismissed Blair and New Labour as "same old Labour", and we all know how things worked out there.
BlueStar Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 The Tories are only opposing the ID card bill because it's a Labour policy. If they were where Labour are now, they'd be implimenting the same thing. This is where the Tory party fall down - the Labour policies that the public are unhappy with, things like Foreign policy and ID cards, are Tory style policies. So the Conservatives have no idea how to capitalise on those misgivings. Conservatives during the 1997 election campaign, who dismissed Blair and New Labour as "same old Labour", I thought it was more along the lines of... Anyway, what you need to remember is that, although Labour took a hit at the last election, if it looks like the Tory party have a chance, many voters like me may well vote for Labour just out of hatred for the Conservative party.
ZeldaFreak Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 BNP all the way I was going to say BNP as well just affraid of being called a racist or some other crap like that, howver Torries look alot better when they take the piss out of Blair- howver no real policies. Never vote liberals as the old adegage goes 'if you ask two liberals the same thing you come out with 3 opions". So at the moment possibly Conservative or BNP just depends. I study politics as well. :cry:
BlueStar Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 Even if you don't think the BNP are racist (Which they're not doing a very good job of covering up - have a look at the link I posted at the bottom of page 2) their non-"ship em back and string em up" policies are a bit crackers as well. Like everyone being forced to complete military service, then being required by law to keep an assault rifle and ammo in their house. But then a lot of people who claim support for the BNP seem to have very little idea what they even stand for. Many people seem to think they were in favour of military action in Iraq, for example. Last time the BNP tried canvassing outside St Jame's park they got chased right down to the quayside by some huge pissed off geordies
Nintendork Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 Just because the public has become bored with Tony Blair (stupid really as he's done a solid job) does not mean that the Conservative party will get in. Even the right win press has hailed David Cameron as a chameleon because his policies have been changing like the wind. The public don't like this spineless image.. it's very, Monty Burns Ahaha. Anyway, the public has got bored with Blair. Gordon Brown is very trusted in the public domain. Look at America, Bill Clinton did a great job as president (on the whole) and when they got rid of him just because he cheated they realised how good he really was. I think it's wrong to get rid of Tony Blair based on boredom and the war on Iraq.. people don't understand the information he was provided about the war on Iraq came from people in the party, he doesn't have time to spend all day checking sources and stuff- he bases his decision on trust in his team. While I didn't agree with the war on Iraq I agree with his decision about it.. it's a shame the dossier was flawed. Blair's a great leader, and I don't want him to go based on picky reasons like an affair like Clinton did. I'm saying this after he introduced top up fees which has fucked me off so much I'm not going to university now solely because I can't afford it.. so I'm not just some Blairite without a cause.
Pestneb Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 I agree with Dan Dare. I voted locally, because of his views. there are also site where you can see how they have voted in the past, and thats what I tend to look at in the run up for an election, I've been happy with his voting past so far, so haven't investigated his opposition, but that would be the second step if I was unhappy with what he voted on
mike-zim Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 clinton didn't go because of his affair. his term was finished. the american system is strange to put it mildly.
Indigo Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 The Tories are only opposing the ID card bill because it's a Labour policy. If they were where Labour are now, they'd be implimenting the same thing. This is where the Tory party fall down - the Labour policies that the public are unhappy with, things like Foreign policy and ID cards, are Tory style policies. So the Conservatives have no idea how to capitalise on those misgivings.I disagree. While New Right conservatives such as Thatcher may have been in favour of such an authoritarian policy, Cameron is clearly much more of a One Nation conservative, and hence it is quite likely that he genuinely does disagree with the policy. I have little doubt, in fact. Oh, and as for '97, the Tories had the slogan "Britain is booming, don't let Labour blow it".
BlueStar Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 Cameron maybe - but the rest of the party? It'd be interesting to see as a percentage how many of the tory vs labour back benchers support unpopular policies like Iraq and ID cards.
Dan_Dare Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 An unlikely scenario, and even if the Labour candidate wasn't in favour of ID cards, it would make no difference. The bill has already gone through its second reading, and besides, a newly elected MP is very unlikely to rebel against their party. Party discipline in the Commons is too strong to possibly think about discarding party policy when you cast your vote. It'd be irrational. The only probable way the ID cards legislation is going to be scrapped is if the Conservatives are voted in at the next general election. For that reason, among others, I think I'd have to vote Conservative if there was a GE today. The Labour supporters who are dismissing the party under Cameron as "same old Tories" are very reminiscent of the Conservatives during the 1997 election campaign, who dismissed Blair and New Labour as "same old Labour", and we all know how things worked out there. I was being purely hypothetical there. my point still stands. you should vote for individual policy rather than party because that's how your votes affect the commons directly. and that's what everyone want's.
dabookerman Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 The thing, i was born here, my ma comes from poland, my pa comes from india, now the thing is, i like that london is multicultural, but there are way too many criminals from all them other countries, theres no control over immigration. i mean polish people for example, they have come here to look for jobs, since the pay rate in poland for standard polish people suck, then you have people from "other" countries, who come here and completely screw up the neighbourhood. also this whole business peados from other eastern european countries and so forth. its quite a big mess really. im not worrying too much tho, i cant imagine living here in 10 years time no no.
BlueStar Posted April 10, 2006 Posted April 10, 2006 I was going to say BNP as well just affraid of being called a racist or some other crap like that For voting for a party whose Deputy leader said "We are 100% racist, yes" and whose founder said "Mein Kampf is my Bible"? Never. World gone mad.
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