Cube Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I'm happy to help the mafia fight each other. Focusing our efforts on a single team would be disastrous. We need to keep thing as even as we can between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Re present that for me and I'll consider it. @Yvonne ^ tententen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 OK scenario 1: water team and town team up. I make kills that benefit us both during the night, and I give you two votes. If my partner is feeling cheeky we can actually quickhammer our way to endgame vs you. At this point your townies could easily disable my team. Fire & Ice have nothing to fear from town until the player numbers are low. Lets say there are three mafia left, Ice Fire Water 3x townies At this point you could take your pick of allies and win the game easily. But right now, you are in a very bad position. I don't expect to win, but my best shot is to ally with you, this will balance all win chances. scenario 2: The alternative is that I get voted off. I trust my teammate to follow through with a revenge kill in that case for posterity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroicjanitor Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 How do you know this to be the case? @heroicjanitor for your own input; is this true? Yeah that is true. We seem to be very similar at the very least but it is more likely that we are the same. Yvonne possibly killed Jonnas last night. He is claiming that aligning with him is the best strategy but that is not the case. Finishing off the weakest mafia (water mafia) and reducing the number of night kills is the best case. Town run the daytime. Town can't safely ally with a mafia team purely because it is far easier for mafia to turn on town than town to turn on mafia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 The opponent mafia team claiming my plan is bad is the best recommendation for doing it that I could think of. Also @Jonnas sorry about killing you btw, I knew you were town, and was aiming for this day to become a glorious mexican standoff. So at least I achieved that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroicjanitor Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 scenario 2: The alternative is that I get voted off. I trust my teammate to follow through with a revenge kill in that case for posterity. The ally with me or else strategy from a team with two players :p You know town still have protectors and vests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Yeah that is true. We seem to be very similar at the very least but it is more likely that we are the same. Yvonne possibly killed Jonnas last night. He is claiming that aligning with him is the best strategy but that is not the case. Finishing off the weakest mafia (water mafia) and reducing the number of night kills is the best case. Town run the daytime. Town can't safely ally with a mafia team purely because it is far easier for mafia to turn on town than town to turn on mafia. So what were you doing to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Yeah Rummy, you obviously protected Sheikah and was told about his activities. We can just as easily take out a teammate of yours, if that's what it takes to bring down your team. I would much rather ally with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 OK scenario 1: water team and town team up. I make kills that benefit us both during the night, and I give you two votes. If my partner is feeling cheeky we can actually quickhammer our way to endgame vs you. At this point your townies could easily disable my team. Fire & Ice have nothing to fear from town until the player numbers are low. Lets say there are three mafia left, Ice Fire Water 3x townies At this point you could take your pick of allies and win the game easily. But right now, you are in a very bad position. I don't expect to win, but my best shot is to ally with you, this will balance all win chances. scenario 2: The alternative is that I get voted off. I trust my teammate to follow through with a revenge kill in that case for posterity. Both of these assume that I trust you. I don't. Scenario 1 - you still kill town; I have no guarantees. Scenario 2 - you die, this revenge kill can possibly occur but we'll see when we come to that. I prefer scenario 2. Sorry. Yeah Rummy, you obviously protected Sheikah and was told about his activities. We can just as easily take out a teammate of yours, if that's what it takes to bring down your team. I would much rather ally with you. Lol, well, think what you may and do what you will. We'll all make our choices. I've made mine, I'm sticking to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 You would be able to tell who we killed from the writeup. I have nothing to gain from betraying you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Paul Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Thing is, doubles are likely to die tonight anyway, as each mafia won't leave the other one alive, so it will be a game left with townies and the remaining mafia with single votes. Then no mafia will really have much of an advantage over the town. If we lynch Yvonne, chances are tomorrow we will have no doubles left, and one mafia will be close to elimination. By leaving Yvonne alive, one double voter is likely to be alive tomorrow, putting whichever team that is in a very strong position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 yeah, which is why scenario 2 exists. Mutually assured destruction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 You would be able to tell who we killed from the writeup. I have nothing to gain from betraying you Um...our death. So no. I lynch you! Or cast my vote for such, the others are free to do as they wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Peterson Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Vote Magnus Peterson ...Double vote business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 1 night isn't long enough for us to wipe you out, only to kill you. Already you're too weak to win without an ally. The mafia are all reading this thread too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Vote: Magn....just kidding. I've little more to add to the thread; though I'd still like to know what @heroicjanitor was trying to do to Yvonne and whether he succeeded in doing so/garners us anything useful. I'd also like to double check with @heroicjanitor and @Magnus Peterson are you both still saying that you are town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 It's in my best interest to co-operate with you tonight. The same can't be said for fire & ice. They would be served well by eliminating water, then they have an even shot at winning. The endgame for town without an ally is jsut choosing who they get killed by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroicjanitor Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 So what were you doing to him? What was I doing to Jonnas? I targeted Yvonne last night. Found him to be water tunic link. I can't kill tonight because I kill every third night, as confirmed by Yvonne, and I tried to kill Jimbob on the first night. Also I have a pm saying "if it wasn't clear you are mafia" :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Paul Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 But surely Yvonne, killing town is of no real use to your team mate, apart from your satisfaction. They need to reduce the numbers of other mafia if they're to have any chance of survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Yeah, the entire point is for this moment. Without the assured destruction, a MAD threat is empty. We have nukes but we never want to have to launch them. @heroicjanitor, wanna team up? You're talking way more sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 1 night isn't long enough for us to wipe you out, only to kill you. Already you're too weak to win without an ally. The mafia are all reading this thread too. 'Only to kill us' is still more than I'm willing to accept. Elminating you eliminates another chance it occurs. I'm going only on your info on a lot of this, and I can't trust that at all ultimately. Though as I said, I'm but a man with a vote - the choices are for others to make. Knowing I'm so weak in the daytime makes me want to just vote how I like, regardless of most else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 The difference between us is I want a shot at winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 As do I. Quote game theory, tell me what's optimum for me - but it all comes down to trusting you. What's not to say I keep schtum and you sing like a canary? Nothing. So...as I said; I keep my vote - especially considering how much it seems to mean to you. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvonne Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 because you should realise that my best shot of winning is helping you during this day phase and night phase. Our biggest threats are fire & ice. The others will definitely kill me before the endgame, so you should extract as much value from a partnership with me as possible while the going's good. If I kill you tonight after you help me, not only do I give the game to fire & ice, fuck my partner and you, I will be screwed for any deals in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cube Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Whittling down to three 1-person mafias is better than one 3-person mafia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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