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Hola, this is more a pre-emptive curiosity, but I'm thinking of adding some RAM to my computer down the line. I know rather little about RAM, and matching, single/dual channel and all the different numbers etc. so just looking for advice/info really.

 

At the moment my computer has 3GB in it as factory standard(Acer M3400). From what I understand from that, and Speccy, I have four available slots, each being able to take up to 2GB each, right? 2 are currently used, leaving 2 free.

 

If I was looking to put more RAM in...what would I be looking at as the best way? I know very little, won't need 8, in fact probably wouldn't need to break 4, but if I'm going for it wondering about going to 6 just for giggles while I'm there. I know 32-bit can only utilise like 3gig, but it's ok cos I'll be in Win 7 64-bit.

 

Would I be best replacing the two current sticks with 2x2GB matched, or can I just add to them with another 1GB/2GB? I don't know much about what's currently in there, having never been inside the computer. Below however is what Speccy currently has to say about my RAM(I've collapsed the JEDEC bits, what are they/are they of use to you guys?)

 

RAM
	Memory slots
		Total memory slots	4
		Used memory slots	2
		Free memory slots	2
	Memory
		Type	DDR3
		Size	3072 MBytes
		Channels #	Single
		DRAM Frequency	532.0 MHz
		CAS# Latency (CL)	7 clocks
		RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD)	7 clocks
		RAS# Precharge (tRP)	7 clocks
		Cycle Time (tRAS)	20 clocks
		Bank Cycle Time (tRC)	27 clocks
		Command Rate (CR)	1T
	Physical Memory
		Memory Usage	69 %
		Total Physical	2.74 GB
		Available Physical	888 MB
		Total Virtual	7.99 TB
		Available Virtual	7.99 TB
	SPD
		Number Of SPD Modules	2
			Slot #1
				Type	DDR3
				Size	1024 MBytes
				Manufacturer
				Max Bandwidth	PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
				Part Number	GU502203EP0201
				Week/year	22 / 10
				SPD Ext.	EPP
					JEDEC #4
					JEDEC #3
					JEDEC #2
					JEDEC #1
			Slot #2
				Type	DDR3
				Size	2048 MBytes
				Manufacturer
				Max Bandwidth	PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
				Part Number	GU512303EP0202
				Week/year	22 / 10
				SPD Ext.	EPP
					JEDEC #4
					JEDEC #3
					JEDEC #2
					JEDEC #1

 

In addition, if anyone could briefly explain the key points on this page to me, I'd appreciate.

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To my knowledge it's better to have matched pairings (which is how dual channel works). And it's easier to manage with less risk of issues if the brand and everything are the same.

 

Manufacturer installed RAM is often just quality enough to get by as well.

 

And the important (to me at least) listing are that you have DDR3, and the RAM is rated at 667. Somewhere though, you should be able to find the highest supported speed.

Posted

It's useful visiting Crucial UK to download the system scanner to see exactly what the max your system can support. Also DDR3 RAM is so cheap these days, it's most cost effective to just go with 2 x 4GB matched sticks (Corsair Vengeance is good) as you can fetch it for just £40. :) And if your system can support it, go with the 667.

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Thanks guys, £40 is...slightly beyond my budget, I'm literally thinking a quick dirty fix going up to 4GB/6GB for £15-20 if not even less, there's absolutely no need for me to have 8GB, or even 6GB, I just notice some slowdown at present(always got lots open and hibernate when I can), just to speed those bits up maybe. I know I get some hard/page faults(which I've only just learnt about) very very occasionally, so I was thinking I'm only just hitting my limit and the extra gig might be ok.

  • 3 weeks later...
Posted

Go here

http://www.crucial.com/uk/systemscanner/

 

Download and run that scanner.

 

It will tell you exactly what you have in your mobo right now, how many slots total you have and how many available

It will tell the max amount of RAM the mobo will support and which types and speeds of RAM are compatible with the mobo

 

 

EDIT:

 

Didn't read all the posts before posting, just spotted Shiekah mention the same thing :heh:

Posted (edited)

Thanks. Really I was just wondering more about the effects of mixing RAMs of different sizes/brands?

Edited by Rummy
  • 1 month later...
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Memory:

DDR3 PC3-10600, DDR3 PC3-8500, DDR3 PC3-12800

Memory Type: DDR3 PC3-10600, DDR3 PC3-8500, DDR3 PC3-12800, DDR3 (non-ECC)

Maximum Memory: 8GB

Currently Installed Memory: 3GB

Total Memory Slots: 4

Available Memory Slots: 2

1GB

2GB

EMPTY EMPTY

 

 

Each memory slot can hold DDR3 PC3-10600, DDR3 PC3-8500, DDR3 PC3-12800 with a maximum of 2GB per slot.*

*Not to exceed manufacturer supported memory.

 

Bumping this to double-check(the scanner's results are above), I can get 2x2GB PC3-12800 for like a couple quid more than PC3-10600 - am I better off with the 12800? Will I see much benefit if I add the 2 new sticks in to the old 3GB to give me 7GB total, or will it all be limited to the lowest speed RAM? I don't really understand it all...:blush:

Posted

So no point getting the 12800(800Mhz?) over the 10600(667Mhz?)? I never understand when people refer to ram just by its Mhz, because from what I see it has different ratings of frequency and I never know which is which; as I said I'm pretty noobish all round. From guesswork and basically just looking at wiki, I assume it's the I/O bus clock?

 

@Nolan, you mentioned my highest supported speed, any insight? I never thought I'd get old and not understand technology, but it seems I have :cry:

Posted

Your highest supported speed is 1333(10600), which displays as 667, which is currently what you have installed. You could easily add in 1600 (12800), but yes it would automatically downclock to run at 1333(10600)

 

I think the reason people say 1333 instead of 10600 or 10660, is that people look at the speed first and then the specifications. As inside either 10600 or 10660 there are variations with each model of RAM. I honestly don't know where the other number comes from :/

Posted
Your highest supported speed is 1333(10600), which displays as 667, which is currently what you have installed. You could easily add in 1600 (12800), but yes it would automatically downclock to run at 1333(10600)

 

I think the reason people say 1333 instead of 10600 or 10660, is that people look at the speed first and then the specifications. As inside either 10600 or 10660 there are variations with each model of RAM. I honestly don't know where the other number comes from :/

 

Ahhh, I sort of see! Thanks :) So if I got 1333 and put it in in addition to my 667 that's in there atm, would it all downclock to 667? I'll probably grab some in about a month on next payday.

Posted
Ahhh, I sort of see! Thanks :) So if I got 1333 and put it in in addition to my 667 that's in there atm, would it all downclock to 667? I'll probably grab some in about a month on next payday.

 

Your highest supported speed is 1333(10600), which displays as 667, which is currently what you have installed. You could easily add in 1600 (12800), but yes it would automatically downclock to run at 1333(10600)

 

I think the reason people say 1333 instead of 10600 or 10660, is that people look at the speed first and then the specifications. As inside either 10600 or 10660 there are variations with each model of RAM. I honestly don't know where the other number comes from :/

 

I'm not positive why, but PCs read the RAM speed as half of actual. I think it's the fact that running Single Channel it would be 667 but Dual Channel it actually is 1333.

 

I really don't know though.

Posted

Oh, I misread your post. I thought the crucial scanner said it supported 12800, though if it downclocks anyway I'll get that just in case I can use it elsewhere in future. Thank you very much for your help!

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