Marcamillian Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Well this is all going swimmingly, especially for a game that Rez said was less town weighted. People seem prepared to share information early on this time. Not meaning to throw accusations out there but revealing an investigator role early on kinda makes you a target for the mafia, even with a misunderstood power. Misunderstood power also gives room for deniability if things were to go wrong. Even if Ellimeister should be evil, he might be sacrificing himself to build faith in Giz early on in the game. I'm not voting for Giz cause I have no reason to. Im just saying that there are alternative scenarios is Giz is right. (This seems like a Giz heavy post, I apologise)
Rummy Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Where's ReZ said this is less town weighted? Does that mean there's more mafia than last time?
MoogleViper Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 People seem prepared to share information early on this time. Not meaning to throw accusations out there but revealing an investigator role early on kinda makes you a target for the mafia, even with a misunderstood power. Misunderstood power also gives room for deniability if things were to go wrong. If one of us is killed then the other knows who targeted him. Which is another reason not to lynch him.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 If one of us is killed then the other knows who targeted him. Which is another reason not to lynch him. Uh, what? This makes no sense in my brain. Sorry.
MoogleViper Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Uh, what? This makes no sense in my brain. Sorry. If Ell is nightkilled I know who targeted him (and vice versa).
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 If Ell is nightkilled I know who targeted him (and vice versa). But if he is actually mafia, it doesn't matter.
MoogleViper Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 But if he is actually mafia, it doesn't matter. Yeah but he isn't.
Marcamillian Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Assuming Moogle is telling the truth with him and/or Elli are good... its a detterant for the mafia as one of their deaths would sacrifice the mafia killer cause the other would tell us who did it. It could be a cever ruse to deter mafia from killing either of them. And there is nothing saying that both of them can't be mafia. I'm NOT one for No Lynching, but just putting possibilities out there whilst I decide.
martinist Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 looks like the stuff on Ellmeister seems solid to me. therefore I Vote: Ellmeister
Marcamillian Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 (double post) It seems that two information gatherers have come forward. In the writeup it mentions a "minion" taking notes on the large Blue and Purple. Does minion automatically mean mafia or is it a broarder term?
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Yeah but he isn't. See, we can't be sure of that. Someone is definitely not telling the truth, whether it's because they've been misled or are trying to mislead.
Mundi Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 We can also look at this another way: If he his Mafia then, huzzah one of them done. If not, then we can assume a good chunk of the votes against could be Mafia members giving us something to work on.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 (double post) It seems that two information gatherers have come forward. In the writeup it mentions a "minion" taking notes on the large Blue and Purple. Does minion automatically mean mafia or is it a broarder term? See, I've been wondering the nature of these minions myself. My guess is that at least two people can investigate, but they do so by sending out a minion, making it impossible to track them - notice how the write-up says it was lucky that the spotted minion was just a minion.
MoogleViper Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 See, we can't be sure of that. Someone is definitely not telling the truth, whether it's because they've been misled or are trying to mislead. I received a pm saying Ellmeister, you are . A townie. MoogleViper, you are . A townie. It then gave us our roles. This pm was sent to both me and Ell.
Mundi Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 It is entirely possible that he get a separate PM after that.
MoogleViper Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 We can also look at this another way: If he his Mafia then, huzzah one of them done.If not, then we can assume a good chunk of the votes against could be Mafia members giving us something to work on. It also means you'll lose a tracker. It also means that the mafia will have no reason to not kill me so you'll lose another tracker. It also means that Gizmo will use the old "oh well I must be a bad cop" excuse and you'll believe him.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 I received a pm saying Ellmeister, you are . A townie. MoogleViper, you are . A townie. It then gave us our roles. This pm was sent to both me and Ell. But couldn't this be ReZ making you believe that you're both townies when actually, Ell is a mafia in disguise? I'm pretty sure I've seen this type of role before. Anyway, I still stand by my vote. It's the most fool-proof way to figure out what's going on.
MoogleViper Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 It is entirely possible that he get a separate PM after that. It's also possible that Giz is lying. Or that (the excuse he'll no doubt use later on) he is a bad investigator. But you're all so quick to fucking sign our death warrants aren't you. Before I inevitably die tonight I'd like to say that when it is revealed that we're good I'd like to point out that the ones acting most like mafia are Gizmo, Maddog, Martinist and Dannyboy.
Cube Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 I'll Withdraw Vote for now. But we should try to decide on someone to lynch as there are a few suspicions and two ones which are completely 50/50 (Dannyboy and Ell), which are darn good odds at this stage of the game.
Marcamillian Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Moogle, I can understand the frustration but words is words. You might very well be town, you might bne mafia there is nothing conclusive either way. Danny. Could the second minion in the write up be a roleblocked killer? Hence one killing last night (assuming there is a mafia killer).
MoogleViper Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 There's another reason why Ell isn't mafia. I'll be controlling his targets until he comes back. I doubt ReZ would allow a townie to control a mafia.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Before I inevitably die tonight I'd like to say that when it is revealed that we're good I'd like to point out that the ones acting most like mafia are Gizmo, Maddog, Martinist and Dannyboy. To be fair, we're really not. We're going by an investigation, probably the most effective power we townies have when it comes to revealing mafia members. In our position, would you behave any different? Danny. Could the second minion in the write up be a roleblocked killer? Hence one killing last night (assuming there is a mafia killer). I really haven't thought that much about it. Coming up with too many complex theories is a bad idea if all we're going to do is speculate.
Marcamillian Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Moogle, is there any way you could prove that you are contolling his targets? atm its a piece of unconfirmed information that we would have to believe because of your word, and we are ALL unreliable at this point in time.
MoogleViper Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 To be fair, we're really not. We're going by an investigation, probably the most effective power we townies have when it comes to revealing mafia members. In our position, would you behave any different? Yeah when that person has an alibi and is a tracker. Instead of listening to my alibi you've crafted some way of him still being mafia. I'd also like to point out that whilst a partnership has happened before where one was mafia and the other was a townie (I was in one, pinky and the brain) we both knew the other's alignment. Moogle, is there any way you could prove that you are contolling his targets? atm its a piece of unconfirmed information that we would have to believe because of your word, and we are ALL unreliable at this point in time. I've sent rez a pm asking if I can control his targets whilst he is away. I can't prove that until tomorrow when I can tell you who he(I) targeted.
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Yeah when that person has an alibi and is a tracker. Instead of listening to my alibi you've crafted some way of him still being mafia. But why should we trust you more than we trust Gizmo? At the moment I truly don't trust any one of you more than the other.
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