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You have to wonder how Nintendo are going to market this. A regular camera/display makes it impossible to show the 3D effect at it's best so what will the tv ads be like I wonder.

Doesn't really seem very 'NES Kid Icarus' to me.

I think I was one of the few that wasn't impressed with Pilotwings 64 much, but this looks fantastic, can't wait.

Can't f-ing wait. Lylat Wars was one of my favourite games on the N64

Unbelievable if true. Not only Zelda in 3D, but OOT updated with more modern visuals and a more vibrant look, drooooooooollll. Would Nintendo really tease people by making a tech demo of one of the most popular games of all time... and then not release it as an actual remake?

Whilst this game is amazing and probably surpasses the original, I find that some of the galaxies are very barren, with hardly anything to do in them. Short and sweet they may be but a couple of huge land galaxies would be nice. Also the soundtrack has far few memorable tracks IMO

This didn't actually look that fun. D'oh.

Personally this gets a giant meh from me.

Never played a kirby game, never been interested, until now. Looks amazing.

I'm assuming the 2am roundtable isn't streamed live? Sorry if that's a stupid question

Can I just ask where you found the high res artwork?

Lovely artwork. And yeah good point about TP having lots of stuff in it, but still feeling totally empty.

It's a really lovely art style, I love how colourful the world looks, the colour palette is gorgeous to look at, as opposed to (in hindsight) TP, which will probably look quite dull by comparison. Darkjak, I agree, it reminds me of OoT as well. To be honest I was a little underwhelmed at first. They built up all this hype about how there will be huge surprises and how TP was the last Zelda of it's kind… - having watched the videos, Skyward Sword (a bit of a naff name agreed) actually seems identical to TP but with motion plus controls. The Zelda formula seems pretty much the same. Which is great in a way, but I guess I was expecting more. Obviously it's way too early to judge properly, I'm sure there will be lots of surprises as we learn more, but for now from what we've seen, they seem to have played things safe. Am I the only one who felt (at first) it was a bit of anticlimax? The presentation of the motion plus controls was a giant fail, sadly. It was a little cringeworthy at times. I'm also not quite sure I want to be doing the actions for everything. Button pressing works great, and a lot of the time, these motion controls could actually take players OUT of the gaming experience by putting another layer of difficulty to get what they want to do. Meh, we'll see. One thing I hate the sound of is tilting the controller to move an on-screen reticule. How totally imprecise is that when something as simple as pointing to the screen worked so perfectly and felt more natural in TP? Look how much trouble Miyamoto had to kill those bug things, pointing at the screen and anticipating their movement would have taken 2 seconds. Item selection looks useful I suppose, I hope they don't dumb it down and only offer a handful of items like PH and ST. There didn't seem to be much room on that selection circle. Making the eyeball on the door dizzy was goofy, but quite cool at the same time, hopefully lots of puzzles like that will freshen up the series. Beetle flying thing looks good. Link looks great, and little things like the sky dive at the end of the trailer were really cool. The forest looks lovely, especially the way the trees swayed in the wind, and the big boss battle, visually, looked stunning, particularly the mood and environment. I suspect these are all very early in the development trailers. Anyone remember the first teaser for WW, the final product looked very different and far more polished. Very pleased, was worried they were going to fuck it up. Can't wait. And 2011 is a relief as well, glad they're not rushing to bring this out this year as was reported.

So what do people reckon is the best stream to choose? Never watched one of these before. Any that are likely to be good quality and lag free?

Been here a little while now and really enjoy using this forum. Ok I tend to stick mainly to the Mario and Zelda topics but you all seem like a great bunch, so cheers for the banter and hopefully lots more after E3 tomorrow!

Glee - Journey - Season Finale Awesome episode. The most predictable show on tv managed to surprise us all. Ok, I shouldn't speak for everyone and it was always a possibility that they had to fail at some point, but I certainly wasn't expecting it tonight. Outstanding musical numbers. The new Don't Stop Believin' was great, but Any Way you Want It and Bohemian Rhapsody stole the show. To Sir, With Love had me sniffling, and Sue's actions and the way they were handled was perfect. Damn that Jesse. In hindsight, VA's performance was outstanding, and deserved to win, which made what happened even more plausible. Great episode, and brought out quite a range of emotions.

I'm amazed there are 240 stars. I'm sure the latter 120 aren't brand new galaxies or anything as big as that, but from the sounds of things, there'll be a fair bit to do afterwards, that isn't just "do the same thing again with Luigi" like in Galaxy 1.

I definitely think those rumours are rubbish. They're either too boring to mention (hookshot=grappling hook), too predictable (bow/arrow, open-ended dungeons, drawing shapes to open doors), too pointless (the name of the girl). Could be wrong, but anyone could have written those rumours down. Is the hookshot really the most exciting thing they can talk about this for this new Zelda? I think not. Tomorrow afternoon can't come quick enough.

Fair enough sorry all

What's debatable? My point that the Hero of Time wasn't granted the Picori blade by the Minish? I think the events of OOT clearly show that isn't the case. So your point above that the MC intro is talking about OOT is rubbish. And what's debatable about the fact the Picori blade isn't the Master sword? They're two different swords, forged for a different purpose. Last time I checked the master sword wasn't able to duplicate Link 4 times. Nor is it ever suggested they are the same blade in the games. You're making up hypotheses without any fact to base it on. Of course there is no concrete proof the Minish cap is first in the timeline, but a few details suggest it likely is: - The hero of men is hat-less, so is Link at the start of the adventure. Ezlo could easily be the reason future heroes adopted the hat as part of their outfit. At the end of the game, the game makes a big deal about Link getting a regular green cap, Ezlo saying 'it suits Link'. Read between the lines, that's the origin of it. - Why call the triforce the Lightforce? It took place in an earlier time, maybe the name 'triforce' was only adopted later on (in all other Zelda games, further down in the timeline) - The Hero of men, most likely King Gustaf, is different from the Hero of time, who came later, once the master sword had been forged. The fact that Ganondorf is never mentioned in the game also means it's a pretty good bet, the game is first. Again, nothing concrete, but there's enough there to show that MC is most likely first. It fits.

What are you on about? The Hero of time didn't have the Picori "appear from the sky" and give him the Picori sword like is talked about in the Minish cap intro. And even ignoring that small detail, the hero of men is shown without a cap. The picori/four sword is not the same as the master sword. Different origin, different power, different purpose, different era.

The hat thing is quite a compelling argument for the reason why all future heroes/Links wore green hats though, ok it's not concrete proof but it makes sense. The intro to MC talks about Gustaf being granted the Picori sword to fight evil, he then becomes the King of Hyrule. Not sure where you got the triforce from the MC intro. It's never even called the triforce in the entire game, just the Light force if I'm not mistaken. It really does make a lot of sense that MC is first in the timeline IMO. The more I read those rumours, the more they sound like bollocks/stuff that anyone can guess/stuff that is unlikely to be on page 1 of Anouma's script.

Sorry how exactly does he explain where MC goes clearly? I like how he makes the assumption that the Picori sword = the Master sword. Conveniently not spending too long on that little "fact". That point is bollocks, MC could very easily be first in the timeline. The rest is ok. A lot of it is speculation though, the games in my post above are pretty much guaranteed. The rest is open to interpretation. Especially since back in the early days of the series, they didn't care about making the games fit a timeline.

I almost wish each galaxy had a 3rd regular star, some are over way too quick, but I suppose there's probably more galaxies in total or something.

The first game chronologically in the series is Minish Cap. Years later, Ocarina of Time takes place, which splits the timeline in two. Child timeline Link goes back to past Hyrule as a child, warns the king/Zelda about Ganondorf's plans and sets off on his adventure in Majora's Mask. The scene in Twilight Princess with the execution of Ganondorf takes place after Link returned to warn the king about him. Years pass as Ganon is banished to the Twilight Realm, meanwhile the events of Majora's Mask unfold, and a new Link is born, in time for Twilight Princess. Adult timeline With Link having travelled back in time, no hero is present to stop Ganon and the gods flood Hyrule, which leads into Wind Waker. After that, there's Phantom Hourglass directly after and Spirit Tracks, which takes place many years later with a new Link. So it's: MC > OOT (child timeline) > Majora's Mask > Twilight Princess MC > OOT (adult timeline) > Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass > Spirit Tracks Those games are pretty much locked, in terms of chronology. The games before OOT as well as the Oracle games are a bit vague where they take place, probably due to the fact that the producers didn't pay much attention to fitting them into a timeline back then.