Sheikah

It means you buy it on one system (e.g. Vita) and you can download it on another for no extra cost (e.g. PS4). In terms of Plus games, it means you get it on both systems.

I'm wondering how durable the Switch will be for taking out and about given it's pretty much a flat screen. I'd like to buy a case but the official one seems a bit overkill.

It's weird how cool the Switch looks, yet slot the joy-cons into that controller and they look ugly as sin.

Yeah I'm surprised to see a few here say they didn't back it. For some reason I thought nearly everyone here would be backing this.

I backed the digital PS4 version for the princely sum of £15.

Nope, see the PlayStation Vita.

That's nonsense from that guy as Amazon always tell you when you order it what day it should be coming. If a preorder, it should always say arrival on release day.

Yeah. There's also the case on browser where clicking those small arrow icons to jump to the last post of a thread brings up a magnifier window just to 'make sure' you definitely wanted to click that icon. Happens with other small hyperlinked objects too. I quite like Tapatalk but it is missing some features. Spoiler functionality like Bob said, as well as compatibility with some other tags (twitter tags don't display properly). You can't unthank people you accidentally thanked either. The timeline/new posts feature is very good though (just an ordered list of posts as they happen).

LA Noire was...pretty meh to be honest. I just remember it being pretty frustrating as the body language didn't always seem to match up with the correct choice to make.

Same...I don't think it really pulls it off, having three colours. The grey makes it look like a proper piece of kit.

I am actually stunned you didn't opt for a colourful version to begin with tbh.

I can't tell, are you saying that the third party showing was indeed good?

Yeah how did you come to know a lot would be shown from third parties Serebii? That is literally the exact opposite of what happened lol.

To be honest I'm hoping the subscription is even less than that, 10-15 quid at most (actual value I can get it at rather than RRP). I pay about 31 or so for a year of PSN by comparison. If you're only getting 1 game and only for a month, and voice chat is done through your phone, I can't such the value in it being much more.

I don't think it's that simple. For one, like Rummy says, many people will begrudgingly put up with a service they acknowledge isn't great for the obvious reason of a monopoly (if you want Nintendo games, you need the system). You could say 'vote with your wallet', but then you'd miss out on some pretty cool games. Ultimately whichever choice you make, you're losing out. Then there's also the issue of debating on this forum. Many people discuss Nintendo here because they care about where it's going and how it might affect them, not because they think Nintendo pays notice to what they post (both positive and negative). In the case of the advice 'buy it months after launch', this could have the deleterious effect of causing another Wii U situation in which third parties rapidly flee the console due to the poor console uptake - making the Switch less enticing later down the line. That, again, is another line of discussion. Most of all though, I think people genuinely care about the future of Nintendo and like discussing their actions - both positive and negative. Much like we enjoy discussing many things in life, even though most discussions will never amount to any meaningful changes. It's a shame when people do press others about negativity or expression of opinion on here because that is almost always the cause of derailment.

1. It's not exactly like PS Plus, you get a lot more games with Plus, not just one. 2. It's confirmed: Now do you see people's grievance? Seems like you were disagreeing without the full facts.

No, you said "it's launching properly in Q4", to which I said "It (i.e. the thing you just mentioned) should be launching day 1".

But then it's not free after a bit. Can you not see the problem with people buying into something now that later down the line has an undisclosed fee attached to it? Given the offering we know of so far, the fee might well not be viewed as worth it if similar in price to the competition.

Yes because 1. it should be launching when the console launches (again, parity - the other consoles had their online features ready at launch) and 2. people don't have sufficient information to know whether the 280 pounds they are paying for the system around now is going to be backed up by a decent online setup. It's pretty poor. Obviously people will still buy it for Nintendo games, but this is a blow for people expecting Nintendo to step up to the plate with regards to online. It all feels very rushed.

Voice chat is through an app, and 1 game a month (I think) that gets taken away from you after a month. It sounds an awful lot worse than what the competition is doing and people wanted parity. If they came out and said 15 pounds a year then people might be ok with it, but they haven't.

I actually think they have started listening already with the extra launch games being announced.

I don't think it is. People complained about X1, they changed it before sales could even happen. Even if people go on to buy it, complaining should be listened to if Nintendo want to make money.

This is a pointless argument btw. :p

No, not the suggesting people not buy it at launch, it was his second comment which very much suggested that people shouldn't be complaining (as it was pointless). It was for all intents and purposes, a suggested shutdown of the complaints.

A counter to this, bob was suggesting people shouldn't bother complaining (a thing we have seen time and time again around here). Shutting down shutdowns is literally the only acceptable use of shutdowns.