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GC remake/port?

I'm not sure and I know ReZ is damn good at lying through his arse, gonna Vote:ReZ unless something comes up to clear him.

It's an N-Europe meetup, Danny!

If we truly are in a game with people who have very little info/power to use, can we afford to wait?

Who possibly could have guessed such a thing. Fantastic write-up!

To be fair, I don't want to save myself over you, Flink. Saving us(me and D) both, well if it guarantees us a night we could maybe do something if we'll both survive(odds I find very against our favour), unless you can help get someone not in our interests? What happens if you sacrifice yourself and one of US still dies though, I honestly think there's no watertight way left in the game to guarantee mine and Dazz's safety. I can't speak for him because...well, I haven't spoke to him lol, but I don't think he'd want to either. I have trusted Peeps alot, just the last day threw me off, he got me and Dazz down and the way he put it didn't seem like he was making it up. There's no way I could go for him over chair, because chair's behaviour on the whole has disturbed me, and he was being totally batshit insane when we took Tales! Question is, assume me and Dazz COULD somehow survive tonight(without any extra effort, as in, don't put yourself out there Flink) what people would people want us to go for? Like give us two or three targets, we'll discuss it and see what we do. There's no need for us to reveal it in thread, and maybe that could reduce interference. We NEED to be provided at least two names, preferably three, though.

I'm still looking at the quieter people amongst us - chair, zell and smeagol. It's easy to become a suspect when you're vocal, and I know how much people like to avoid being so when they're mafia.

It can be done Flink, but it's really a bad play unless you have a certain enough guarantee, it's end game not early or mid game, you're at a minority disadvantage anyway. As for saying you didn't ask how our powers worked, my point is that it's inherent because it would clearly be far beyond chance. Confirming the targets was as good as proper roleclaiming, especially given it was touched on in the thread. Odds of me and Dazz targetting the same people five days in a row by chance? Anyone with a basic understanding of binomials would realise it's highly unlikely. For anything involving two dichotomous properties where order may apply, there are 4 possibilities. Human nature just doesn't account for it though, and nothing's even that simple, I wasn't holding back to go against the town, but I felt we were more informed than the town with little chance of protection. Can anyone honestly say you could guarantee a protection on both of us without mafia interference? Totes missed second page myself. Don't sacrifice yourself Flink, the double vote is needed. Post again in a sec. Regarding any issues of myself and Dazz having a seperate neutral win condition, I've mentioned enough times now it's not possible if we're giving you mafia to lynch, the town always win when mafia are totally eliminated, even if we were neutral we'd win alongside, but we're honestly not. At least, I'm not for sure. I have told Dazz myself I wouldn't even know if he was triple agenting, but really I find it very unlikely. I totally trust him now. My theories as it stands, ReZ and chair could both be mafia, it'd explain the cross targetting. ReZ whilst appearing to give a lot this game, I can't explicitly find myself saying he has. How much evidence have we had of chair's power? Mr-paul, Peeps, or actually anyone pushing myself and Dazz for info, may have been mafia fishing for a solid truth. However, this also applies to chair's frankly totally crazy behaviour yesterday agreeing with Tales, as Dazz pointed out it could have been to bait us. Smeagol may be neutral, or he may be mafia. I'm fairly convinced he is definitely not town, if he was he would have never lied. I have absolutely nothing else apart from that. ReZ I believe to be town because he was one of our earlier results before we were out, however if Dazz is correct in thinking somebody(possibly chair) can target someone to influence their alignment, then we may have hit a very convenient coincidence from that night.

I want to as well, but right now I'm reluctant to vote. I know how much I hate it normally as well.

Ok, yes, I get that. But if you trusted us, why couldn't you trust us? Sure, the information we have is now there for the town, but it is also there for the mafia too. Before with doubt, they may not have killed us because you couldn't be sure how much we were making up/playing with/bluffing/or if we were even town. Now, they do have that. People think mafia just need to hide from town, but I think in some circumstances town have to hide from mafia just as much, especially when we're two people so we can't even get a definite protection(as already addressed). Even after we lynched Eddie, we HAD to provide you with info in order to secure your vote on Tails(why Dazz said you blackmailed him/us), and us finding live town proves nothing. The mafia lynches should have proved it. We don't know who anyone truly is until they are dead! At the end of the day, after all this fuss over our targets, has it given us any leads on mafia? Have we actually found anything? No. Was there any need for the information in the case? I still stand by the fact in my mind that there was not. I understand the argument of before I died, but I knew Dazz would be able to cover it if I did, and myself him vice versa. People say they trusted us, but they didn't give a crap to do us the favours we asked except to satisfy their own personal curiosities, and that is why it is probably going to kill this cool cat.

Ok. To give my info, I felt it needed a roleclaim, because otherwise it was obvious anyway, how co-ordinated could we possibly be by chance? That is what affects things. And whilst people keep saying that what I've provided is useful, I have yet to see quite how exactly. The only new development is targetting chair last night. I don't even trust that myself. What makes that information valuable, exactly? Or are you working on the assumption that just because I tried to delay revealing the information until necessary, that I never would? It's all false dichotomies, a reasoning/conclusion I *really* dislike. Everything else already exists in the thread, and now the mafia know exactly how we work and so won't hesistate to kill us, whereas when they might have been unsure, they may have chosen to go for a more solid target(which may well have happened when they were going for the protectors).

Yeah, that's what I was expecting. You can target someone and steal their power for use the following night, so that's a one night cool-off, OR you can choose to take someone else's power, and due to cooloff sacrifices another night power. So what I don't get, why don't you already have a power from night 1?

Well the chair thing only applies from last night, nothing from the previous nights proves that useful. Tbf I don't imagine myself or Dazz will survive tonight, and I've no idea what happens then, if we do who would people like us to go for? As for Smeagol, just because he's claimed neutral, doesn't mean he is. He's definitely not 'good', but I wonder if he could also be mafia.

The console formerly known as Prince? Jokes aside, that is an idea that I like, but I think it could be a bit too abstract for market appeal. The 'Nintendo' label would probably alleviate those issues, though.

Soooo...we had any takers? I have used my today off to catch up on the last two eps(which I hadn't seen), 4 felt in some ways a bit slow and I started to worry, but 5 definitely started making up for it! Totally loving this again now!

Which would mean that on night 2, he would have something from Night 1, surely?

They won't answer us Dazz. I'm still surprised nothing is happening now either. Where has everybody gone?

As I've repeatedly stated, no we cannot. There is easily somebody like Dyson in the mafia, evil but appears good to investigations. At such low numbers like this, it's imperative to keep it in mind. We weren't, as has already been stated, trying to separate ourselves from town, we were trying to hide from the mafia in open space. We had already cleared ReZ, days ago, and as I have said, I repeatedly said that I believe him to be good. I don't believe chair to be good. We got a good result on both.

So now they know more than they did. Or as you say everybody knew everything yet still wanted to ask the questions for answers they already had. Now stop wasting time and do something with this information you so desperately wanted from us, as it was that important to have. I see no progress here.

Fantastic. Definitely look more 'official'. Do..uhh...Kuala is it? The little one on the pear!

VIRUS DATABASE HAS BEEN UPDATED!

Still not seeing how it's brought anything new to the table. We now have basically no cover or protection from the mafia either, they're fully aware of us whereas we are not of them. Even disregarding this, why is this thread so dead now? Especially considering how much those targets are worth/apparently bring to the table.

Hey man! We're a joint supercop! Don't hog it all

Well, it was reasoned out that my targets were needed in the event I died you would know what I'd done. What exactly are we managing to do with the targets I've just revealed now? When it comes to chair(tho still think Smeagol is a better target, he might be mafia not neutral); what do we know? He was acting totally crazy yesterday, defending Tales quite a bit, and also despite apparently being able to enhance people, seems to repeatedly not answer the question of who he has targetted/enhanced, and if I'm also correct, nobody has actually come forward as being enhanced, right?

No. As I've already stated clearing people as town when they aren't under suspicion is unneccessary, they're already assumed town. It's giving more information than needed. People who HAVE been under suspicion, we've spoken up. ReZ and Danny were cleared as town by us the day we started on Eddie. I've said I believe ReZ to be good repeatedly also, BUT; It does not account for those that could appear good under investigation despite being evil. As I've already stated, with Eddie and Tales I was convinced there wouldn't be two people like Dyson, however there may be a mafia opposite/equivalent inside of our list. To assume all our good results to be definitely accurate would be silly for that reason. Also if you had clearly worked out that we were working together, then you'd have known there's no need for our targets whilst we're both alive, and should have left it alone. I think some people did get it(yourself and Danny haven't pushed it much), but I think some others did not. Chair's behaviour for the entire thread, and yesterday especially, has bothered me. He seemed to want to jump onto the two mafia thing along with Tales, he was acting totally crazy yesterday. If he hadn't, we probably would have targetted Smeagol instead last night. I don't think it's fair to discount anyone we've found good from being possibly evil.