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A slightly different version is on Amazon UK:

I don't think it's considered double posting if it's months apart.... And if it is, it's wrong. What are you supposed to do, wait for someone to post in a thread dead for months just cause you were the last to post something? Makes no sense. Anyway, August 2? Where did this come from? Don't Wii developers believe in advertising? I didn't even remember this game anymore and it's released in less than a month?

I also loved the Wind Waker, and I was a skeptic when I first saw the screenshots. But playing the game, it really reveals itself as great. However, I am playing through TP at the moment, and there's no way in hell that cell shading would give you that rusty/old/decaying vibe you get in the Goron Mines. HD freaks can go on and on about how the Wii looks pants, but to me the graphics in the Goron Mines (and everywhere else really) are very well accomplished, and it's worth it to keep in mind they are last-gen-GC graphics. You get the same feel in the Hylian Shield, with the engravings effect. It REALLY looks made of iron. Wind Waker IS great, but in my opinion, the Zelda series should be done with realistic graphics. I see many people talking about past Zelda games remade with cell shading, well, I'd like to propose the opposite and say that I'd love to see Wind Waker with realistic graphics.

You mean the box Gaijin posted is the real one?? I thought it was some fan made crap! I mean, it's still better than Echoes', but.... it's not great.

Lol, I prefer the one shown on Amazon:

Err..... You can do that already, what Zelda games have you been playing? Ocarina of Time invented the lock on.

If I know the Melon Farmers, I obviously know about the Video Nasties. What I was trying to point out was films cut and still rated 18 on top of that. Sorry, but no. The UK's main point for censorship is violence. The US's main point for censorship is sex. Although nowadays this has changed a little, it still remains generally true. The BBFC cuts headbutts, for fuck sake. And earclaps, it's what they call the "imitable techniques". Mystery Men got cut for an earclap near the end of the film. Star Wars Ep. II got a headbutt cut out. Spiderman 2 the same thing. Spiderman 2 is rated for 6 year olds and up in its uncut status in Portugal. It's true that they have become tamer along the years, but they still are pretty ruthless against violence. Most relaxed in the Western World? Most everywhere else in Europe (France, Spain, Portugal, the Scandinavian countries, Holland, etc) it's quite more relaxed, practically non-existent, even.

Hey, I just watched this. You basically verbalize everything that (most) every gamer in the world thinks, all good points. You mention the "censors" and the ratings system, especially the 18 rating. One thing you did not mention, I don't know if you know this, if you follow it or not, but there have always been (nonsensical) restrictions in the 18 rating itself. With this recent Manhunt 2 incident, I have the impression that only now did some people realize that the BBFC are in fact censors and not mere classifiers (although they do not like the term "censors"... ). Well, just to name one example that I know, David Fincher's film, Fight Club, was always rated an 18. But in fact, even in its 18 rated form, it was effectively cut by 4 seconds, removing a few punches in the scene where Ed Norton beats up Jared Leto. I mention this because you say, and rightly so, that it is stupid to blame movie studios or game studios when you have a ratings system that includes an 18+ rating. Basically all you have to do is grant something an 18 and it means it legally is for adults only. Period. BUT, these clowns actually censor and STILL grant the 18 afterwards, which to me is completely incomprehensible! I mean, in Fight Club, they cut a few punches (4 seconds!) and the film still got the 18.... I mean, what was the point of the cuts? It makes absolutely no sense. The Fight Club cuts have since been waived, I believe in 2003, for its newest british DVD edition. I don't live in the UK but I began following these things cause I buy many DVDs from the UK market and one has to be informed about cut status of films. Good sites for this are Rewind and The Melon Farmers.

Yeah, and let's not forget that Japan doesn't have a release date either.

That NGamer review is actually very tasty. I usually trust their reviews, since the days of N64 Mag.

It's possible, but in my opinion it's very lame.

Ok, but we can all agree that we are all controlling characters in 3D environments via analogue sticks thanks to the N64, not the Saturn, not the PS1, not the Xbox and not the VC 4000 either... Just to summarize what happened: 1 - Online gaming wasn't invented by Xbox Live and nobody claimed it was; Analogue sticks weren't invented by Nintendo and nobody said they were. 2 - Bard said Microsoft did more to the industry than Nintendo did since the SNES, mainly reffering to Xbox Live. 3 - kav82 replied that the analogue stick was a bigger step towards modern gaming and Bard agreed. 4 - And it's not thanks to the VC 4000 that we control in 3D so precisely today. Anyway, just to say that I agree with kav82's point, no hassle.

Nor did Xbox Live invent online gaming, the comparison is legitimate.

I'm the one defending the film and I'm the member of the PC brigade? That joke was almost funny. Only someone who doesn't know who Oliver Stone is would say the film glorifies violence and/or killers.

Showing bad guys winning does not imply glorifying them. Or maybe the censors are right in believing that some people out there cannot understand this.

Natural Born Killers does not glorify violence, what the hell are you guys talking about? The film is a satire, an exaggeration of the world we live in, and it is used to criticize sensationalist media and the society that feeds it. It is Robert Downey Jr.'s character in the film (the journalist Wayne Gale), along with the rest of sensationalist media, that paints Mickey and Mallory as heroes, and the society that gets into the crazyness, with t-shirts and all sorts of merchandising. The fact that Wayne Gale becomes himself a killer in the end of the movie only reinforces this aspect and then he gets killed by Mickey and Mallory, showing that killers should NOT be glorified stupidly. It's as much a satire as Paul Verhoeven's RoboCop and Starship Troopers in the way these films portray television. Hmm.... because you think the programmers who created Manhunt 2 know more about criminal psychology than... errr, criminal psychologists?

Ah, I had checked it, but hadn't noticed, thanks.

I don't give that much value to online gaming. I know, maybe I'm a dinosaur. I mean, I played Counter Strike online for years and I think it's extremely awesome, but it's that kind of game. Counter Strike is the perfect online game for me. But I have greater pleasure playing long winded single player games like Metroid and Zelda and even something simpler like Mario (the platformer, not the thousands of spin-offs) than any online game. In this day and age, I still prefer single player games. I understand, though, that online gaming is a very big system seller when I see people even wanting Metroid Prime 3 online and others going further and saying that they won't even buy the game if it doesn't have online! That truly puzzles me.

Where? Can someone provide a link, please? I've searched and found nothing. Ren of Heavens didn't specify if his dates are for Europe or Australia. Nor did he give a link.

Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, as I'm playing through that right now.

I passed that level tonight and I hated it... The next one, however, does rock, where you have to infiltrate the racer's room to take his clothes. I love stealth, you see? The graphics aren't that bad. EA uses some kind of special technique that makes the graphics look quite advanced in the cut scenes. Things really do look solid and three dimensional in the cut scenes. It looks miles better than Godfather, which is ironic since they're both from EA. The shine effects are very good. I was playing this game two months ago before I got the Wii, but stopped playing GC altogether when I did get the Wii. Now I finished Godfather about 4 days ago so I went back to this and I was shocked by the first cut scene in the Vertigo level (which was where I had left the game) as it looked so superior to Godfather. I already bought Zelda TP but I'd like to finish this before I start that. I also still have Prince Of Persia Sands of Time to begin.

I don't know if you know this, but there's a short cut to the boss of the Shadow Temple, much like there's a short cut to the boss of the Spirit Temple. In the Shadow Temple, you can get from the begining to the ship in less than one minute. I don't remember the layout, but there's a room right in the begining with a blade turning that has an invisible hole in the ground (use lens of truth) and that makes you fall right by the ship's location. But you have to move a cube block from its location when you first arrive at the ship in order to get past it. All the bosses from OoT can be reached from the entrance of the Temple in under 1 minute. Either they're literally in the next room from the entrance or there's a short cut to their lair.

The problem with the Shadow Temple was that it had the same theme as the Bottom of the Well, which players had completed before, i.e., it had the same music and the same graphical look. That made it seem not as fresh as all the other Temples which all had their own unique music and graphical style. That's my opinion on it, anyway. And it's a shame cause it actually has a good gritty, almost S&M look with the blood stains and the chains hanging from ceilings and walls. It's just that the Bottom of the Well section killed the novelty factor of the Shadow Temple. They should have at least given two different musics to those two parts of the game. It would have helped making it different.

I encoutered a bug in this game, that causes me to have already 103% of Hit Missions completed.... Anyone else noticed this? I completed the Sergeant Ferriera Hit Missions 3 times, because apparently, before you go on to the next normal game mission you can do this due to a bug. After you complete the last Hit Mission of the Sgt Ferriera group of missions, if you go to the Tattaglia Funeral House in Midtown you will encounter Sgt Ferriera alive and well. And if you speak to him he will act as if he never met you and give you the mission to push the Chicago mobster from his balcony all over again. Complete that and you will start the cycle again. Then after you kill the Sgt again, you can find him again in the same spot, by the Funeral House in Midtown. Except every time you do the same hit missions again, the percentage counter doesn't reset itself, it just keeps counting thus giving the player above 100% completion of the hit missions. I have done this, like I said I have 103% hit missions at the moment and I still have hit missions to complete and this bug has not affected my game so far, at least not in a negative way. I have moved on, completed normal missions after that and other hit missions since and the game allows me to progress so it's not a game-killer loop. Just thought I'd share.

The Metroid Prime games are as much first person shooters as Oblivion. They just are games played from a first perspective, the gameplay has nothing of FPS in it. Only pure Metroid gaming. I don't think the music is underrated, I think pretty much everyone agrees that these games have absolutely spectacular musical compositions. I've never seen anyone bash the Metroid soundtracks.