mcj metroid Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Mind controlled gaming isn't that far off, and I think it's the natural evolution of games, although I'd find it awkward not to use my hands while playing. I more like think it'll be like in fighterjets, where most controlls are controlled via levers, sticks and buttons, but certain actions, like swaping objects or weapons will be controlled by the mind/voice. I think that the XB360 and PS3 will continue to be their companies flagships. I however think that Nintendo should release a new console circa 2010-2011, quite simply a Wii with the power of a PS3 or more. By then it should be cheap to develop and produce such a machine. ha are ye guys serious about the mind-controlling? come off it you're pushing it it has no chance.
Papa Bear Posted March 2, 2009 Author Posted March 2, 2009 ha are ye guys serious about the mind-controlling?come off it you're pushing it it has no chance. I wouldn't rule it out, after watching the video that was posted on this thread it shows u how close we really are to it, it shows us that VR is attainable. I think its somethin that gamers should be excited about, but i agree with whats being said, a 5 year plan, somewhere in 2014/15. I think in the mean time we'll have to wait and see if Wii HD arrives!
Emasher Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 I wouldn't rule it out, after watching the video that was posted on this thread it shows u how close we really are to it, it shows us that VR is attainable. I think its somethin that gamers should be excited about, but i agree with whats being said, a 5 year plan, somewhere in 2014/15. I think in the mean time we'll have to wait and see if Wii HD arrives! Head tracking is way less advanced than mind control.
mcj metroid Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 I wouldn't rule it out, after watching the video that was posted on this thread it shows u how close we really are to it, it shows us that VR is attainable. I think its somethin that gamers should be excited about, but i agree with whats being said, a 5 year plan, somewhere in 2014/15. I think in the mean time we'll have to wait and see if Wii HD arrives! i think we are a good 3 if not more generations away from that
ReZourceman Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 i think we are a good 3 if not more generations away from that Away from Virtual Reality? I'd say it'll probably be a fair bit sooner than that I think.
mcj metroid Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 Away from Virtual Reality? I'd say it'll probably be a fair bit sooner than that I think. hmm people thought that in the 80's though.. I mean the virtual boy surely shows nintendo won't try anything like that again for a long while... Or I could be wrong maybe because of the success of the wii NOW is the perfect time to innovate
Guest Captain Falcon Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 hmm people thought that in the 80's though.. I mean the virtual boy surely shows nintendo won't try anything like that again for a long while...Or I could be wrong maybe because of the success of the wii NOW is the perfect time to innovate The Wii has been successful because of it's apparent accessibility - they're just opening up the market. Such a big step would probably end up turning away their new follows - for many of which the Wii is their first console. I think now is too soon for such a major innovation. They need to refine what's out there already, so I don't see the Wii's successor deviating too much from it's current state.
mcj metroid Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 The Wii has been successful because of it's apparent accessibility - they're just opening up the market. Such a big step would probably end up turning away their new follows - for many of which the Wii is their first console. I think now is too soon for such a major innovation. They need to refine what's out there already, so I don't see the Wii's successor deviating too much from it's current state. Yes inclined to agree really. It's far too early for something so major.
Guest Captain Falcon Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 And if game developers thought it was expensive to create games for the current HD consoles, heaven help their budgets making VR games.
Grazza Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 And if game developers thought it was expensive to create games for the current HD consoles, heaven help their budgets making VR games. I was thinking about that. I could be wrong, but wouldn't it just require more processing power (approximately double) so it could render everything from two angles? The game engine and modelling work could actually be the same as they are now.
Guest Captain Falcon Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 I was thinking about that. I could be wrong, but wouldn't it just require more processing power (approximately double) so it could render everything from two angles? The game engine and modelling work could actually be the same as they are now. I'm not sure how well the current assets used in games today would stand up if you were so much closer to them - plus there would be no room for corner cutting since the player has access to everything in your world. Everything would be under such a higher level of scrutiny than before. There would be little point in putting a player in a virtual world and have it ruled by conventions of gaming past designed to same time and money - it would kill the sense of immersion. You would have to display everything from two angles, but that's two angles per player. I don't see how multiplayer player games on the same console would be possible without substantial more processing power than today's machines - everybody is getting two full screens. And personally speaking, I'm just not that keen on the idea of wearing a headset. Not only are there the potential health and safety issues (see the virtual boy), you'll just end up looking like a pillock too (again see the virtual boy).
Emasher Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 You would have to display everything from two angles, but that's two angles per player. I don't see how multiplayer player games on the same console would be possible without substantial more processing power than today's machines - everybody is getting two full screens. But its at half the resolution in split screen. It might render two of them, but resolution is a major factor in render speeds.
Guest Captain Falcon Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 But its at half the resolution in split screen. It might render two of them, but resolution is a major factor in render speeds. I referring to multiplayer on a single VR enabled console, since everyone would be wearing a headset with 2 screens a piece in them.
Emasher Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 I would think they wouldn't have local multiplayer and it would just be online.
The-chosen-one Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 what 2010? really? that early? i think it would be awesome i hope they go with the 3d games like ps3 is gonna do with the awesome glasses that would be an awesome experience with the motion plus controller ( scarry horror games ) lol like fatal frame you would shit your pants or a game like the grudge ( the movie ) where a ghost comes towards your screen ( with the 3D glasses on ) man! that would rock so f**cking hard or a fighting game where the blood comes towards you that you can almost touch it :P ETC ETC ETC
Guest Captain Falcon Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 I would think they wouldn't have local multiplayer and it would just be online. You're probably right in that regard, and that would be a shame really. Mind you, with a headset on, it's not like you would be able to see those you're playing against anyway, even if they are in the same room.
mcj metroid Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 look it's not going to happen next generation There are many reasons why. 1: nintendo tried VR it failed miserably 2: I think the idea of VR or mind-control or whatever is a very 80's idea of what future gaming would be like 3: There is no indication that this is the way to go besides an obvious fake picture of a headset.. 4: NIntendo have enough trouble getting developers to use the wii-mote properly.. 5: having people with headsets goes against their whole "family social gaming" idea.. I mean they released wii speak instead on a headset. 6:wii 2 is a long way off but so far i think it will be more of the same idea.. nothing too drastic. I actually think it's far more likely for sony or microsoft to try this ut not for another 10 or more years!
Emasher Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 The virtual boy did have some design flaws, but I think one of its biggest problems was it didn't have any games that were really like virtual reality. Just about all of its library would have been better off on the SNES. If they had something like Doom on it, it probably would have worked quite well. Bottom line, the virtual boy wasn't virtual reality, it wasn't even close. Also, we don't know what Nintendo's strategy will be like in 10 years. And we don't even know if Sony and MS will still be in the console war. Perhaps MS will, If Sony has another bad generation, I don't know how much longer they're going to be in the gaming business. And we don't know what their strategies will be like either.
tapedeck Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 All this VR talk makes me bawk at the thought of having some hideous over-sized peripherals laid around the house (Cynically you could say this is the current Wii situation). Is the tech really small/costly enough to ensure such inclusion next gen? I don't think it is. Maybe in a couple of generations time perhaps. And even then, haven't the sales of the 360/PS3 which could be conceived as "traditional" consoles ensured both Sony and MS don't stray too far from the template in the future? Sure, Wii has changed a lot of things but then again, Nintendo have the software to back their concepts up. It's all about software afterall. The next huge thing will be something similar to itunes in which there will be a boat load of sofware available digitally. We're already seeing it now but I really feel this will take off next gen when, arguably, the media for games will matter less than previous. Of course, time will tell...
Jamba Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 To me, I think that all of this VR stuff is totally against Nintendo's philosophy. The Wii-remote does has some kind of immersion factor but honestly I think that is a fairly weak arguement. The fact that it is a simple input device that includes an audience is the most powerful thing about the Wii. I see Nintendo going even further in this direction to carry on including people and I'm sorry, VR and high-tech, expensive stuff isn't going to do that. I really think that the next console could be semi-portable. I actually had a hunch that the Wii was going to be but I think that it would be a good idea.
david.dakota Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 The virtual boy did have some design flaws, but I think one of its biggest problems was it didn't have any games Virtual Boy's biggest problem is Gunpei said "its nowhere near ready yet"; Nintendo said "never mind, some poor sap will buy it", Nintendo then fired Gunpei when it gave kids headaches and bleeding brains. That said, i'm desperate to find one- can't justify the £80 on ebay though...
Grazza Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 I'm not sure how well the current assets used in games today would stand up if you were so much closer to them - plus there would be no room for corner cutting since the player has access to everything in your world. Everything would be under such a higher level of scrutiny than before. There would be little point in putting a player in a virtual world and have it ruled by conventions of gaming past designed to same time and money - it would kill the sense of immersion. Good point, I hadn't thought of that. I mean, the DS strains my eyes because the 3D graphics are poor (in my opinion) and the resolution doesn't seem to be high enough for the screen size. I love the Game Boy Micro, on the other hand. I wouldn't mind jumping into a low-polygon world, such as Ocarina of Time's, for example, as long as the resolution and frame-rate were up to standard. You would have to display everything from two angles, but that's two angles per player. I don't see how multiplayer player games on the same console would be possible without substantial more processing power than today's machines - everybody is getting two full screens. True. It's just that reason I thought of this was because, with all the stories about the high-production costs of games, I can see processing power outstripping the actual detail in the games sooner or later, thus they might use it for "effortless" things such as 3D. And personally speaking, I'm just not that keen on the idea of wearing a headset. Not only are there the potential health and safety issues (see the virtual boy), you'll just end up looking like a pillock too (again see the virtual boy). I agree with you about health and safety, but I'm happy to look a pillock if it means I can fight Ganon up close! I have some theories about the next generation (let's call it 2012, for argument's sake)... Head Tracking Whilst this is quite feasible, I don't think it'll be done on its own. The reason for this is that I don't see much benefit of using it on a shared, 2D screen and I think it has a lack of appeal on its own. I can see it incorporated, though, in... 3D Control/Perfect Motion Control I believe Microsoft are highly likely to base their next console on precise 3D control. Apparently, they have just bought/are in the process of buying one of the top companies for this. Supposedly, the camera would track your head and even your fingers. Nintendo are highly likely to improve the Wiimote (MotionPlus or better) and might even incorporate their own camera system (didn't they just pay for a new R&D building?) Sony, of course, could always do something similar and improve upon the EyeToy. 3D Visuals The next few years will be make or break time for 3D cinema. If successful, 3DTVs will follow. In this case, it's hard not to see Sony and Microsoft basing their consoles around this (as I say, they could just double the processing power, to put it crudely). Of course, this would be optional. As this will be the new HDTV, I can see Nintendo avoiding it and instead using... Brainwave Control I really do think this is becoming feasible, if only as a supplement to motion control. Like I say, Nintendo seem to be increasing their R&D and this is just the kind of "gimmick" they would go for. Didn't Iwata say something about they would only release a new console when they could "completely change entertainment" again? Virtual Reality/Augmented Reality Taking Captain Falcon's points on board, I do think we are a good few generations away from this. However, Augmented Reality could take away the "anti-social" fears and possibly some of the health & safety issues too. Personally, I'll be happy with anything that can play a new Zelda in HD and with good controls, but those are some of the things I think could happen.
darkjak Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 hmm people thought that in the 80's though.. I mean the virtual boy surely shows nintendo won't try anything like that again for a long while...Or I could be wrong maybe because of the success of the wii NOW is the perfect time to innovate The reason the VB failed was that Nintendo rushed it out. Gumpei Yokoi wanted to wait a year so they'd be able to get colour monitors and more powerful hardware. There are experimental games that are controlled by the mind, and the F-35 and JAS 39 Gripen both have mind controlled features.
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