Infinete Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 I got bored and had been discussing this with a friend and decided to see what others thout about this situation, sorry for the essay i just got a lot to say. i was just wondering what people here think about the national identity cards, as i do not particually like them, i mean dont get me wrong, they may seem like a good idea at first, as they will mean that it will be easier to stop illegal imagrants and terrorists in, but wont goverments use this to their adavantatge, cos once the whole system is set up, will the goverment not use the data themselves. Firstly i believe that like the current oyster card, the goverment will be able to track you were ever you go, they will no who you are, wer you are from and where you are going, as every thing about you, and i mean everything, will be on one big data base, so privacy will be thrown out of the window. Secondly i believe that mistakes will happen, and just imagine, you and some one named X gets their records mixed up, your life will be completly recked, cos without these cards you wont be able to do anything, as you will need them just to enter a shop, or draw money, or even drink! I just think that the goverment will use this against us, and to think that by by 2013 we could be expected to have one, and they cost 33 pounds each, 77 for a combined passport, i dont no. right better end here its getting to long, sorry for the essay, as i said i was kinda bored.
Guest Ray Falling Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 sounds like that one movie "like a thief in the night" 0_0 That would freak me out yeah...but I tend to keep a low profile so not much could go wrong...I hope
Dieter Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Errr... what? I'm not sure how an ID card could tell the big bad brother where you're heading, unless they built a GPS system in there or something, which actually would be quite impressive. Why do people like to think that someone has an intrest in following them? No nobody needs to know you masturbate that often, they won't check. I don't believe a shop owner would actually ask to see your card before you enter.... and try asking a group of rowdy chavs that just entered your pub to show you their ID cards... not happening. I don't really think that the government is 'out to get you'. You automatically jump to the conclusion that they'll use it to their advantage and to your disadvantage, the poor innocent civilian. A mans life will not be 'recked' because of a mixup, surely only one or two situations would rise before it gets corrected, it's all digital right? And I completely fail to see how a nationwide ID card system (which I personally thought was implemented years ago in most places) would make privacy grow wings, open a window and soar out gracefully. Fake edit aka PS: Ray? Low profile? Don't make me laugh.
mike-zim Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 i am totally behind this. i think alot of crime would be solved alot faster if there was a data base with everyones finger prints and dna on it. do you know that 80% of rapists are never caught. that is wrong. with id cards that number would fall dramatically i would say to less than 5%. that is just 1 example. at the end of the day it boils down to the choice Greater safety or greater privacy. personnaly i have nothing to hide and if i could go about my life feeling that little bit safer i say go for it. so what if they know where i went on holiday last year. i also think that you have exagerated a little, you would not need it on you all the time. if you were asked to show it and did not have it on you, you could present it at your nearest police station up to a week later.
Fields Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 If you've got nothing to hide, then you shouldn't have a problem with ID cards.
Guest Ray Falling Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Fake edit aka PS: Ray? Low profile? Don't make me laugh. semi-angry response: In life in Holland that is. I dont go out getting arrested and having my info on record just about everywere.
Hank Scorpio Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 semi-angry response: In life in Holland that is. I dont go out getting arrested and having my info on record just about everywere. I think that is more so living within the law as opposed to keeping a low profile.
Maverick Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Although i have nothing to hide and thats the reason they are gonna say oh yeah you need it for identification to me its just another way of the government to track us down, passports, driving licenses and now this? is three different types of identification needed to indentify one person?
Guest Ray Falling Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 I think that is more so living within the law as opposed to keeping a low profile. I do all 3 of those. (15 characters: Link Mario Zelda Kirby Peach Toad Bowser Pikachu argh you get the point)
mike-zim Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Although i have nothing to hide and thats the reason they are gonna say oh yeah you need it for identification to me its just another way of the government to track us down, passports, driving licenses and now this? is three different types of identification needed to indentify one person? What info does your drivers license and passport really have? we are talking DNA, Finger prints and iris scans. this is the stuff that will help identify which people did what. i think it is a brilliant idea. about the only thing that the labour party are doing right.
Dieter Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 semi-angry response: In life in Holland that is. I dont go out getting arrested and having my info on record just about everywere. 'keeping a low profile' makes you sound like some kind of gangster or something, hence the rather sarcastic reply. But I realise you just worded it wrongly. My apologies.
Noodleman Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 If you've got nothing to hide, then you shouldn't have a problem with ID cards. No but I do however have issue with them being compulsary, but we have to pay for them. I dont mind having one I have nothing nothing to hide but if your going to make me get one then it should be free.
Eenuh Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Well, this is the first thing I hear about it, but I think it's a good idea really. We already got electronic IDs here now that contains our personal information like name and address and stuff; it will also allow us to use it online for stuff like online banking and shopping or to access certain chats (so they can make sure people aren't lying about age and stuff). Letting them have stuff like your fingerprints seems like a good idea; would make crime solving a bit easier in some cases I think. Besides, it's not like they will know everything about you once they get that information. Some people are just too paranoid. Besides, they already have my fingerprints, at least from both of my index fingers, since I had to give them when I went to the States. No big deal really.
Guest Ray Falling Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 'keeping a low profile' makes you sound like some kind of gangster or something, hence the rather sarcastic reply. But I realise you just worded it wrongly. My apologies. No worries, I'm not mad.
mike-zim Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 No but I do however have issue with them being compulsary, but we have to pay for them. I dont mind having one I have nothing nothing to hide but if your going to make me get one then it should be free. i agree. it should be compulsary, or there would be no point in them at all. but they should be free. i think when you turn 18 or 16 you get the first one free. but the government cant afford to give everyone 1 for free.
Mr_Odwin Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Free or not free, we'll still pay for them with our taxes or with money that comes from our wallets/purses.
Fields Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 The cost is already way too high, there's no way they could afford it without making us pay for them (on top of what we've already payed through taxes). The OP mentioned £77 for a combined ID card/passport. I don't know if that's true, but it seems pretty reasonable to me considering the price of passports anyway.
mike-zim Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 The cost is already way too high, there's no way they could afford it without making us pay for them (on top of what we've already payed through taxes). The OP mentioned £77 for a combined ID card/passport. I don't know if that's true, but it seems pretty reasonable to me considering the price of passports anyway. yeah i agree, but if you only knew how much of thw tax money gets wasted you wouldnt mind the id cards.
Infinete Posted November 23, 2005 Author Posted November 23, 2005 what has been said is true, it would help reduce crime, expecially rape as your entire medical history, DNA and finger prints data will be on record, also the way that they track is that this id card will be used every were, it will be used when you sign for something or pay for something, ive heard it may even be used as a credit card, so the goverment can quite easily track you if they want, as they will no were you are, also they will ask a bunch of chavs at the pub as it will be used to prevent under aged drinking as you cannot really get a fake version of this any way, as the data will need to be on the database. But i dont have anything to hide so no i will not be to worried, but still i dont like the idea of being watched like a big brother contender, i mean they will know what you are doing and when, well not always, but most of the time. and the price is quite expensive if you are of a low income, or an unemployed student like me, but i probably do support it......maybe.
mike-zim Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 but still i dont like the idea of being watched like a big brother contender, i mean they will know what you are doing and when, well not always, but most of the time. that is a little over the top. yeah you might get someone look into your movement every once in a while but i hardly think the government have the resources to track every person with an ID card. they would probably find other info first before they would use the id cards. like if there was a crime and it was commited in your area. and the price is quite expensive if you are of a low income, or an unemployed student like me, but i probably do support it......maybe. i would imagine if it were compulsary there would be concetions (sorry about spelling)
Infinete Posted November 23, 2005 Author Posted November 23, 2005 yer maybey, but then why wuld they create such a system?
Indigo Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 If you've got nothing to hide, then you shouldn't have a problem with ID cards. I disagree. Coupled with the ridiculous anti-terrorism legislation (that thankfully didn't get through the commons in its original form), ID cards is just one more step towards a police-state. They are currently used in Spain, and yet that didn't help prevent the Madrid bombings, therefore the argument that they will aid in preventing terrorism seems a little weak to me.
mike-zim Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 for the safety of the nation. to keep a track of immigration as they dont have a clue at the moment what is going on. to cut crime. it is a tool for many legitamate operations that the government need to improve upon.
Fields Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 I disagree. Coupled with the ridiculous anti-terrorism legislation (that thankfully didn't get through the commons in its original form), ID cards is just one more step towards a police-state. They are currently used in Spain, and yet that didn't help prevent the Madrid bombings, therefore the argument that they will aid in preventing terrorism seems a little weak to me. I don't see what peoples' problem is with the concept of a 'police state'. Such a term merely suggests a state where crime is punished, and justice prevails. So, like I said, you shouldn't have a problem if you've got nothing to hide.
Infinete Posted November 23, 2005 Author Posted November 23, 2005 for the safety of the nation. to keep a track of immigration as they dont have a clue at the moment what is going on. to cut crime. it is a tool for many legitamate operations that the government need to improve upon. Im sorry i obviously didnt make my sarcasm very clear, but oh well, the point is i have mixed feelings about it, yes they will help saftey but it will decrease privacy, but as i said before, i will most likley support it for the greater good, as it ohopefully will work out for the best, oh, also there will be help for those who cannot pay for it, and the first set of 16 year olds at this time will get one free.
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