Reggie says: Hardcore Gamers are "Insatiable"

[Oxigen_Waste]

I don't get the Nintendo hate thing... first party games are out, great and plenty, considering the console's short lifetime so far... I think third parties are the ones to blame, really, for almost complete lack of support... at least so far.

[Dante]

I don't get the Nintendo hate thing... first party games are out, great and plenty, considering the console's short lifetime so far... I think third parties are the ones to blame, really, for almost complete lack of support... at least so far.

 

Yeah three parties are to blame but the little unknown 3rd parties are doing well into the next year.

[dwarf]

I swear many of you are in denial. You must see that there isn't enough stuff?

And why look down on me? Ok it may not have been really simple to do but there are harder things.

You really can't criticize Nintendo on a Nintendo board. Any rap for Sony and I don't give a shit.

[Fierce_LiNk]

I still find the whole "gamers labelling themselves as "hardcore gamers" thing pretty funny."

 

Its like giving yourself a status to make yourself seem important.

 

"Are you a gamer?"

"I'm not one of those disgusting casual gamers. I'm a hardcore gamer. I like EPIC games."

 

I think we should ban the word "epic" from this forum. Its really annoying, and gets thrown about so damn much. There's this myth flying around that Epic = Greatness. It doesn't. I've just been listening to "A Day In The Life" by the Beatles,which clocks in at about 4:28, and is said to be one of the most influential songs of all time. Yet, it's not as long as many "epics" out there. The average Tool song clocks at probably double that length, but it doesn't make it better.

 

It seems to be the culture at the moment that everything needs to be big and perfect. Movies need to feature lots of "EPIC" dialogue. Songs are meant to feature memorable riffs, and get a lot of airplay. And games are meant to be flashy with loads of content, and length. Whatever happened to short, sweet and simple?

[dwarf]

Im not someone who takes pride in being a hardcore gamer. Partly because I'm not one, but also because I agree it is nothing to be proud of.

 

And I don't see anything wrong with 'epic'. Games basically that have more meaning than is visible on the surface, or a deeper element. More games on the Wii need to have this, but this isn't a point I can easily enforce without everyone getting on my back.

[Black Diamond]

Reading these posts, I don't believe the people who say Nintendo is the best game developer this generation. That award goes hands down to Microsoft.

[Dante]

I swear many of you are in denial. You must see that there isn't enough stuff?

And why look down on me? Ok it may not have been really simple to do but there are harder things.

You really can't criticize Nintendo on a Nintendo board. Any rap for Sony and I don't give a shit.

 

i seen alot of people Nintendo on a Nintendo board but you said getting all the stars with both Mario and Luigi in Mario Galaxy was easy. O_o

[Fierce_LiNk]

Im not someone who takes pride in being a hardcore gamer. Partly because I'm not one, but also because I agree it is nothing to be proud of.

 

And I don't see anything wrong with 'epic'. Games basically that have more meaning than is visible on the surface, or a deeper element. More games on the Wii need to have this, but this isn't a point I can easily enforce without everyone getting on my back.

 

Well, it's probably because you're just re-covering old ground that has been covered many times already. Since the Wii's launch...which wasn't all that long ago, in all honesty.

 

You can bet that there will be a dozen or so more making the same points (are these arguments copied from wikipedia or something) over the next week anyway.

 

I think gamers just love a moan about anything, to be honest. There were many who moaned that Nintendo were not working on anything substantial, purely because of a release list that was unveiled. That wasn't too long ago, actually. It was actual comedy when screenshots of new games and coverage of Disaster actually got released to the public, and still many people refused to eat their words and admit they were wrong.

[Tellyn]

I swear many of you are in denial. You must see that there isn't enough stuff?

And why look down on me? Ok it may not have been really simple to do but there are harder things.

You really can't criticize Nintendo on a Nintendo board. Any rap for Sony and I don't give a shit.

 

Okay here's the thing, it may be a little hard to take though...

 

We like the game available to us.

 

Stop trying to 'convince' us, I don't even know why the hell you care and are trying to instigate things since I recall you making a big deal of getting rid of your Wii. No one's looking down on you, you're the one telling us we're in denial because we can't see this obvious lack of epic games, gritty shooters and space marines on the Wii.

 

Im not someone who takes pride in being a hardcore gamer. Partly because I'm not one, but also because I agree it is nothing to be proud of.

 

And I don't see anything wrong with 'epic'. Games basically that have more meaning than is visible on the surface, or a deeper element. More games on the Wii need to have this, but this isn't a point I can easily enforce without everyone getting on my back.

 

Tell me, how many Wii games have you played?

[Dante]

The most thing I find it annoying is people saying why this not in HD or this should be XLBA,wiiware,PSN to 2D games etc.

 

What happened to gameplay becoming first?

 

People shouldnt listen to what Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony say about the competition.

[Shino]

I swear many of you are in denial. You must see that there isn't enough stuff?

And why look down on me? Ok it may not have been really simple to do but there are harder things.

You really can't criticize Nintendo on a Nintendo board. Any rap for Sony and I don't give a shit.

 

Just understand that we don't agree with you. We're here for primary a reason, and that's the love for Nintendo games. We like the games we have and we like the guarantee Nintendo gives us of games we will have. We don't deny there's good games on other consoles, we just prefer the ones on Wii.

 

Reading these posts, I don't believe the people who say Nintendo is the best game developer this generation. That award goes hands down to Microsoft.

 

Go on...

[dwarf]

Well okay if you're 100% happy that's fine, but I find it important to express my disappointment. I was a nintendo fan, I thought the Gamecube was brilliant, I had a 64, I had a Gameboy. But since the DS I felt the games I now dub as being 'deeper' (not core) are steadily reclining in number. I want the Wii to succeed, but it isn't producing at the moment, and when it's representatives are saying that it's doing all it can to satisfy the 'core' when it blatantly isn't its an outright lie.

I'm not disagreeing with his point that the 'core' are never satisfied, but it's like Reggie is implying that Nintendo has put out enough of it's more traditional stuff.

 

This is something that I thought you lot would find a fault with like with me but maybe you're willing to accept to change and like the waggle.

[Emasher]

Reading these posts, I don't believe the people who say Nintendo is the best game developer this generation. That award goes hands down to Microsoft.

 

Honestly. What have they produced this generation that's better than Galaxy or MP3. Most of what people would consider to be their best games were by companies they bought out, not by them themselves. They're like a rich kid that tries to buy the things they think are best and think that makes them superior.

 

Now I'm probably going to get flamed for this by all the MS fanboys on here, but honestly, I don't care. And like someone else already said, please elaborate what you actually are referring to.

[DCK]

And I don't see anything wrong with 'epic'. Games basically that have more meaning than is visible on the surface, or a deeper element.

There are so many things wrong with this sentence.

 

Firstly, what you describe is not what epic means.

Secondly, this deeper meaning, more than is on the surface, is not found in any of the games people like to describe as epic.

Thirdly, this deeper meaning, as if it were some form of lpoetry, is not found in any game at all.

 

I'm not here to jump on the bandwagon to criticise you dwarf, but that's just ridicilous. You can't want epic games if you don't even know what they are.

[Hellfire]

I swear many of you are in denial. You must see that there isn't enough stuff?

And why look down on me? Ok it may not have been really simple to do but there are harder things.

You really can't criticize Nintendo on a Nintendo board. Any rap for Sony and I don't give a shit.

Eh. Eheh.

Also funny you mention that, considering that this board consists mostly of criticizing Nintendo.

 

Im not someone who takes pride in being a hardcore gamer. Partly because I'm not one, but also because I agree it is nothing to be proud of.

 

And I don't see anything wrong with 'epic'. Games basically that have more meaning than is visible on the surface, or a deeper element. More games on the Wii need to have this, but this isn't a point I can easily enforce without everyone getting on my back.

Not only is that definition waaaay of track, that pretty much describes most Wii great games. People just ignore them and instantly label them as this or that instead of actually playing them for a while to understand what's underneath. Like with for example Excite Truck.

 

Reading these posts, I don't believe the people who say Nintendo is the best game developer this generation. That award goes hands down to Microsoft.

Overlooking the fact that Microsoft Games Studios consists of a bunch of studios MS bought, which is a big think to overlook, I honestly can't see how they can be considered the best. Great games come out of there, no doubt, but...

 

Well okay if you're 100% happy that's fine, but I find it important to express my disappointment. I was a nintendo fan, I thought the Gamecube was brilliant, I had a 64, I had a Gameboy. But since the DS I felt the games I now dub as being 'deeper' (not core) are steadily reclining in number.

This is something that I thought you lot would find a fault with like with me but maybe you're willing to accept to change and like the waggle.

Wait wait wait... you're implying that the DS has a lack of deep games? Oh dear Lord.

I find it that people who tend to cut things short and go to the waggle route really should just give up, sell their Wii, because honest to God (and I don't believe in God), they just don't get it.

 

This is not picking on you, it's just hard not to respond to your posts.

[Black Diamond]

Now I'm probably going to get flamed for this by all the MS fanboys on here, but honestly, I don't care. And like someone else already said, please elaborate what you actually are referring to.

I'm not going to list Microsoft games because I don't care enough to get that involved. But I ask you, how many complaints have you ever heard about Microsoft not caring about their core gamers?

 

Very few. And that's because they invest not only in making their own first and second party games, but in outsourcing to third parties, essentially ensuring their consumers are always satisfied year round. If Microsoft have a solid idea, but not enough resources to produce it, they get someone else on-board immediately (as opposed to Nintendo's We'll Wait Until Our Schedule Frees Up™ approach).

 

These aren't everyday, run-of-the-mill, mediocre titles. These are quality games, that Microsoft churns out monthly.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think Nintendo is very noble in trying to broaden the gaming audience, but should they really be exhausting their own resources in making these "casual" games? Does Wii Fit really need to be a first party game? Why not second party? And why doesn't Nintendo invest more in co-productions with other developers, so us "hardcore" gamers have no reason to complain?

[killer kirby]

I'm not going to list Microsoft games because I don't care enough to get that involved. But I ask you, how many complaints have you ever heard about Microsoft not caring about their core gamers?

 

and tell me which company is beating the crap out of the other two in sales?

 

yeah, big difference...

[Hellfire]

I'm not going to list Microsoft games because I don't care enough to get that involved. But I ask you, how many complaints have you ever heard about Microsoft not caring about their core gamers?

 

Very few. And that's because they invest not only in making their own first and second party games, but in outsourcing to third parties, essentially ensuring their consumers are always satisfied year round. If Microsoft have a solid idea, but not enough resources to produce it, they get someone else on-board immediately (as opposed to Nintendo's We'll Wait Until Our Schedule Frees Up™ approach).

 

These aren't everyday, run-of-the-mill, mediocre titles. These are quality games, that Microsoft churns out monthly.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think Nintendo is very noble in trying to broaden the gaming audience, but should they really be exhausting their own resources in making these "casual" games? Does Wii Fit really need to be a first party game? Why not second party? And why doesn't Nintendo invest more in co-productions with other developers, so use "hardcore" gamers have no reason to complain?

1st:

 

2nd: MS games are studios they bought and we're talking about what, the richest company in the world? And they do not, by any means churn out quality games monthly and lots of people, including me can have almost none of their games (none to me) have Nintendo quality. Outsourcing to 3rd parties? Can't recall... unless you mean money hats? The only recent case would be Bungie, but they just recently became 3rd party and Halo is their baby. Outsourcing and cooperating with 3rd parties is what NIntendo's been doing the most.

 

3rd: Wow, where to begin. The fact that Nintendo is actually respecting the "casual" Wii Fit audience, by investing, thinking through, developing it themselves is the reason why they're ahead and the reason they pave way for others devs just as they always have. Co productions?

Wario Land Shake Dimension

Fatal Frame

Captain Rainbow

Mario Strikers

Punch Out

Disaster - the game was being made before Monolith being bought, which by itself is proof they're doing something

Endless Ocean- published by Nintendo

Mario & Sonic- co op with SEGA

Hell, there's a shitload of games revealed October 2nd that prove you wrong.

 

4th: Nintendo's We'll Wait Until Our Schedule Frees Up™ approach brought just to Wii and choosing only the creme de la creme, Zelda, Galaxy, Brawl, Mario Kart and Metroid Prime in less than two years.

[Black Diamond]

Overlooking the fact that Microsoft Games Studios consists of a bunch of studios MS bought, which is a big think to overlook, I honestly can't see how they can be considered the best. Great games come out of there, no doubt, but...

Not quite. Out of the six divisions that make-up Microsoft Game Studios, only Lionhead and Rare are acquisitions. The other four are original first parties created by Microsoft. All six are 100% owned by Microsoft.

 

and tell me which company is beating the crap out of the other two in sales? yeah, big difference...

This has nothing to do with sales. I remember reading 7 out of 10 MGS games fail to sell over a million. It hasn't stopped them producing more titles.

 

Although you do raise a valid point. Nintendo is selling the most by far, so why are they not investing more in "hardcore" games? They've got the biggest market share, surely they'd sell more.

 

Outsourcing to 3rd parties? Can't recall...

Remedy Entertainment, Bungie Studios, BioWare, Artoon, The Whole Experience, Epic Games, Ensemble Studios, Silicon Knights, Square Enix, Blueside, Screenlife, Mistwalker, Bizarre Creations, Q Entertainment, From Software, Capcom, Sega, iNiS, Team Ninja, K2, Hudson and Realtime Worlds.

 

I'm sure there are probably more.

[Emasher]

I'm not going to list Microsoft games because I don't care enough to get that involved. But I ask you, how many complaints have you ever heard about Microsoft not caring about their core gamers?

 

Very few. And that's because they invest not only in making their own first and second party games, but in outsourcing to third parties, essentially ensuring their consumers are always satisfied year round. If Microsoft have a solid idea, but not enough resources to produce it, they get someone else on-board immediately (as opposed to Nintendo's We'll Wait Until Our Schedule Frees Upâ„¢ approach).

 

These aren't everyday, run-of-the-mill, mediocre titles. These are quality games, that Microsoft churns out monthly.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think Nintendo is very noble in trying to broaden the gaming audience, but should they really be exhausting their own resources in making these "casual" games? Does Wii Fit really need to be a first party game? Why not second party? And why doesn't Nintendo invest more in co-productions with other developers, so us "hardcore" gamers have no reason to complain?

 

If Nintendo got a 3rd party to make a casual game, it would no doubt turn out crappy. 3rd parties almost always make shit when it comes to casual games. And also, its not about who makes the most games for what audience, its who actually makes the best games. Nintendo put out incredibly polished games, and while MS's games aren't necessarily bad, they just don't have the same level of polish.

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

and tell me which company is beating the crap out of the other two in sales?

 

yeah, big difference...

 

See, this is whats so peculiar about Nintendo fans; most act as if they are apart of the company - why the hell are sells and figures important to a Nintendo fan? Nintendo are indeed getting major market share... But what is that doing for you? In my eyes they have done nothing spectacular so far (in the core department especially when compared with the Cube), yet reggies feels we are asking for too much by wanting a little bit more - which they should be able to achieve seeing as how much $$$ they have accumilated.

 

Anyone remember one of the first topics I created as a n00b? yes, this, in my book, is Nintendo Laziness... And I'm still angry regarding what Pokemon BR and Super Paper Mario turned out to be.

[killer kirby]

Although you do raise a valid point. Nintendo is selling the most by far, so why are they not investing more in "hardcore" games? They've got the biggest market share, surely they'd sell more.

Ummm, they are, to make a great game, it takes more then just a day to make it.

One thing I liked about Nintendo was the fact that they always made sure their most important games are good before releasing it. The GC time I was seeing it decrease, which was a worry to me, but now it seems like they are going back to the "STFU gamers, the games done when it's done" Which I prefer, meaning I know that it will be just as good as I expected it to be.

 

See, this is whats so peculiar about Nintendo fans; most act as if they are apart of the company - why the hell are sells and figures important to a Nintendo fan?

Ugh...(Here we go again), to be honest with you...yes, because it's nice to see Nintendo kick the shit out of M$ and Sony, yeah, remember last gen when Nintendo fans, even though had good games, were hanged shit about it losing? Well it's now our turn to hang shit.

 

Nintendo are indeed getting major market share... But what is that doing for you?

Hmmm.....

Mario Galaxy

Metroid Prime 3

Endless Ocean.

SSBB

Super Paper Mario.

Mario Kart

 

Then you have the games which are coming out...

Sin and Punishment 2

Punch Out

A new Zelda (No trailer but it's already said they are making a new one)

Trace Memory

Animal Crossing

Disaster Day Of Crisis.

Perhaps a new monolith RPG (I don't know but Nintendo bought them for a reason and I bet it's for the RPG's they are capable of making)

 

In my eyes they have done nothing spectacular so far (in the core department especially when compared with the Cube)

Well....just in that list I put up, they have.

 

yet reggies feels we are asking for too much by wanting a little bit more -

hahahahahahahahahahaha, a little bit more, if Nintendo announced 5 core games, gamers would bitch because there are not 10 of them.

 

which they should be able to achieve seeing as how much $$$ they have accumilated.

Yeah, I see...I am sure they are spending quite a lot of money making games, but waving money does not make the games finish more quickly, it's the time and effort into trying to make it GOOD.

 

Anyone remember one of the first topics I created as a n00b? yes, this, in my book, is Nintendo Laziness... And I'm still angry regarding what Pokemon BR and Super Paper Mario turned out to be.

Well good for you, go and cry and play other games, I have a huge list of games to be playing now. bye.

[Black Diamond]

If Nintendo got a 3rd party to make a casual game, it would no doubt turn out crappy. 3rd parties almost always make shit when it comes to casual games. And also, its not about who makes the most games for what audience, its who actually makes the best games. Nintendo put out incredibly polished games, and while MS's games aren't necessarily bad, they just don't have the same level of polish.

I agree with you, Nintendo games have an unrivalled polish to them. And Mario Galaxy is the best game of this generation. But I still think MGS is the better developer/publisher this generation. Sony is the worst.

 

I own all three systems, I have all the major/highly recommended titles on all three, including half that list posted above, I'm allowed to voice my opinion (although I'm rather stupid doing that in a Nintendo forum).

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

 

 

Ugh...(Here we go again), to be honest with you...yes, because it's nice to see Nintendo kick the shit out of M$ and Sony, yeah, remember last gen when Nintendo fans, even though had good games, were hanged shit about it losing? Well it's now our turn to hang shit.

 

 

 

Ugh... I rest my case. This is essentially the bias that makes some of you feel the need to defend Nintendo so doggedly and never admit any shortcomings on their part.

 

One must ask, why aren't Xbox360 fans complaining about a lack of core games? And ask why some of you 'dedicated' fans felt the need to go buy a 360 or ps3.

[Black Diamond]

My observation is Nintendo is more family-orientated gaming (games made for everyone, that aren't adult, too complicated or controversial, aside from the odd game here and there), where as Microsoft and Sony are for more niche/mature titles. By nature, core gamers tend to sway towards these niche/mature titles.

 

Almost every core Nintendo game has some sort of animated cartoon style, and easy controls like shaking the Wii Remote. That's not appealing to everybody, like those that substitute gaming for the laid-back cinema experience.